Yeah, that's what I was talking about. I thought they funded some too...maybe not

 

Very well replied indeed my friend.

I had to watch KRider to see how they had the vehicle designed for "Engaged Mode!" hahahah I did answer the Movie questions online for the Shelby Sweepstake raffle.... hope I win a Shelby! ha Ha

It's not the set up of the failing, it's the setting up of the public for future vehicle release anticipation. Honestly, no vehicle television series will do well these days in the age of graphics and technology! Would you rather watch transforming robot talking vehicles or just a vehicle that has a talking voice?

I don't fully believe GM single handedly funded the Transformer.... do you remember the Decepticon Black and White Mustang Cruiser in the movie?... that's a Ford hahahahah

Either way we put it, sales come from street appeal and cost of ownership. If it's priced right and rolls good, it will sell itself. The Grand Prix GTP is my best example.

Enthuse people like us are not the major part of the Camaro Market...... if I gave the vehicle another name powered by an LS7. With enough marketing and curb appeal... the vehicle will roll off the lots when it is priced properly. Look at Cadillac CTS sales...... the style is not retro, though it sales.

Look at the new Tesla which have sold out already even before production.

I do concur with you that the external design of the new Camaro does do much justice to the classic.

When you speak about screaming retro style, the Challenger is one of retro... but at the stark price of $40k plus, I highly doubt that it will do justice for Dodge sales.

Another old Retro is the Chrysler Prowler...... that had a good run. Did you know that the PT Cruiser will be gone by 2010? The MAKES are working on 4 year runs for lineups.

 

Why would it be a Dragon's Eye rather than DragonBreath or DragonFire or something along that line? hahahahahah

I would never want to contend over whether it was quick or slow on GM's part. People count it as 3....but the vehicle is a 2010...... so thus I'm seeing 4 by the time the vehicle is really out sitting on the lots? More than that, 3-4 years does constitue as one vehicle style generation. There is a reason why Makes changes styles everything 4 years. By 2010, the Mustang will have two generation up on the Camaro. The Camaro production is will be from what you saw 2 years ago, while the Mustang will be sporting a look that you have never seen before in 2010?

Reason being I seeing this a little different from you, is because I'm up on news of the economy. Our Economy is in really bad shape for 2 + years now. Vehicle sales for the big boys have been down. Vehicle Manuf jobs are out, GM has been and wanting to lay thousands off.

All of these factors contribute to the reasons why GM should have striven for a sooner manufacturing date.

Quick Comparison Brother...... I will leave my 2001 Trans Am out of the picture, though I felt it was overpriced as well.

In 2001, a V6 Firebird was $23k, a Camaro was probably $19 -18k, compared to a Mustang that was only $15k. Based on those figures, can you see why the Mustang have been in continuous production since 2001? Always, the Mighty Dollar is King.

 

Yes, yes, I was over-generalizing a bit...But what would you have casted for the villain opposite of the Camaro??

 

the wait is killin me to but let gm make this perfect n fast so when we see challengers n mustangs we can smoke them

 

hhahahahahah It should have been an import! But as I'm thinking of it now, the opposite of an American V8 is never and Asian import V8 or any of those European imports. Now why is that.... why is it always against and Asian V4 or 6?

On a different note, the Decepticons of the 80 don't entail Cars...... that's why the goods guys are called Autobots. I hate it when characters of the hay days are improperly type cast for a recent day. Do you remember Will Smith in Wild Wild West..... speak about poor typecast productions hahahahaah!!!!!!!!!!

The new Michael Knight should have been Asian hahahaha!@@@@

 

hhahahahaha Smokin them will cost us Money! hahahah I don't know about smoking a Challenger or seeing very many of those on the streets at $40k

 

You makin' a stab at my username, buddy?? Why I oughta---

Trust me, I'm more than up to date on our loverly economy right now...it ain't pretty in the least. But I really don't think that's gonna effect the Camaro specifically, because it's gonna have effects on all the vehicles across the board. In fact, the Camaro may actually fare better because it has a VERY appealing look to a VERY broad consumer base.

2010...true enough. But the fact is that it's still coming out in 1QT09 Model Year designation non-withstanding. So...(taking a sky-is-falling estimate of February '09) That would be exactly 3 years and a month from when it was debuted with NO plans of production at the NAIAS in 2006. You could take it even further (like I would) and measure from the Green-light announcement in August So that would make it roughly 2 years and 7 months from start to finish....That's impressive for a brand new Car no matter how you cut it.

And yes, Cost played a role - did I not say that? I only stressed that it was not the ONLY reason. if it had been styled differently, if it had an updated interior, etc, etc...Mustang won that round. And again, I'll stress that they would have brought it back sooner If they could have. If I understand correctly there was some politics going on with the assembly plant that just wouldn't even allow thoughts of a returning Camaro, much less a concept.

But this whole senario only assists is explaining why it is taking some time (I really think that 'long' is an inaccurate term to use) to bring to market. Would you like to see that happen again?? No Way!!!
So you take your time (again, a relative term - cause according to Scott they're working their tails off to get this car out the door) and you get it right.

Challenger is....well, it's a Challenger. They came out with the SRT8 version at 38k...they R/T, and the V6 will be lower - but will still be higher-priced than the Mustang and Camaro - so I haven't payed real close attention to it...)


(btw, it's Dragoneye cause the only people who could get close enough to look into a Dragon's eye were dead. -- and yes, I know Dragons don't exist......)

 

Matthew - I don't know who you are -- but it occurs to me that you do not in any way work in the auto industry.

The Fcar went on hiatus for many reasons -- not just one. (and by the way -- by 2001 and 2002 we were making money on them.......)

You are off on your dates as well.

Suggest that you do some more research............

 

Lets see...we can start with a 78-81 TA, 81 Grand Prix, and now that I think about it go all the way back to 1963/64 Gran Prix? They were classic, option laded plush and great looking interiors for their day, and I believe the TA and even 81 GP looked better than the bare bones mustang like interior of the G8. OH....and don't forget the latest GTO!!! Don't even attempt to convince a novice that the interior of that car was not better than the G8! The car might have flopped on the marketplace but it certainly was not for lack of a interior quality or appearance.

 

No arguments here, I'm just stating the facts and not contriving to make something up. As much as we like to debate, "cost" is the driving factor in any industry, no matter if its soda pop all the way up to your Playstation. The Fbodies have always priced higher than a Mustang. If something sells, you would not see it off the market. Take HD DVDs..... they have lost the war to Blu Ray and will be out after the second quarter of this year.

The demise of the Fbodies are based on many factors, one of which is pricing.

I work in many industries but not of the vehicle manufacturing..... which you are correct. In the past, I have evaluated vehicles on many occasions prior to their manufacturing for the makes. The majority of these vehicles were still in the pre-developmental phases.

At any rate, I bring these issues up for debate as a matter of my own opinions. Many things can always be better accomplished no matter which way you would like to put it.

 

hahaha as a matter of speaking, Dragon's do exist. There remains have been found throughout the world, especially in the Himalayas. Look for the program on the History Channel.

No fact stated based on the current economy, but gas guzzler SUVs have not sold well this past year. Despite the case, it matters to some and not others......... Chevy Trucks ranked top for sells last year.

We don't know yet but will wait and see how the Camaro will fair with sales. As much as noted, the Mustangs don't look good for last year's sales.

Manufacturing Timeline maybe sound.......... but would you agree to agree with me that the GM flaunt this vehicle too too early prior to production? I believe a good time is 1 year prior just like the movie industry releases.

All of what we state in these discussions are just that. Reality being will always be reality.

 

well every time i see one i am taking the oppurtonity 2 smoke 1

 

For anyone with ants in their pants, the new G8 will be out soon and a test drive or two should give you a general "feel" for what the camaro *could* be like. Maybe you'll even drive away with one and trade it in on a camaro in '10 or '11.

 

I don't know about doing that. There would be a cost inefficiency if you are looking to own. Lease wise it's plausible.

Your suggestion would only be for the desperate with money to splurge.

I have ants in my pants to trade in one of my TA for the Camaro right now.......... but will not be taking your advice to jump any hurdles!!!

As it is right now, patience upon release should also be a necessity.