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Interesting comparison to the M3 concept. Although I doubt anyone will ever as they never have compared the two cars as it's felt they are in different classes. But it's always interesting to see how they could compare. As much I love the last gen M3's and the ones before the Camaro's of those years certainly did have them in straight line running and bench racing too. Yet again the arguement is always what car would you rather have or be in and that usually seems to tip to the M3. Make no mistake the Camaro and Vette put up the numbers when the chips are down regardless of price.

 

There is no conversion. BHP is brake horsepower, which is horsepower measured at the flywheel. It is so called because they measure it using a brake.

 

I know they are rarely compared and that is what is so cool about it. It seems to me the Vette was rarely seriously compared to Ferrari before the C6 Z06. This upcomming Camaro has IRS. Youre right, the M3 will have expensive material, and gadgets and stuff and I am bench racing. Im just saying look at the potential and how close you get(at least on paper so far) to the top 3 series for less than half the price. This isnt even the top of the line Camaro. Neat I think.

Thanks! So is it the same as HP at the flywheel, or is it a completely different rating. As in do our fly wheel hp ratings test them differently than using a brake.

 

Almost all manufacturer horsepower ratings are in BHP. In general, it's safe to assume that they're the same.

An engine dyno uses a brake. I don't know of any other way to measure flywheel horsepower.

 

Just give me an affordable Z. I don't need 500 horses and brick hard suspension. Leave that to crazies who think they're going to race on the street.

 

Some of those "crazies" (myself included) actually take their street cars onto race tracks . Suddenly, EVERYTHING (ie: brakes, suspension, etc.) really matter!!

In the US, you guys have the SCCA, and up here we have the CASC, which is a governing body over grass-roots type racing. SoloSprint is a series of racing that allows average people to take their street cars out onto the track, and compete in a safe, controlled environment, against a clock (not door-to-door ) ... well, there is a "points" system to classify the cars (based on size, power, suspension, etc.) ... every car has a predetermined point assigned, based on being "stock" from the factory. Every mod you make adds points, until you start moving up classes. ANYWAY, long story short, the more that GM puts into the Z28 from the factory, the less mods have to be made AFTER the fact, the fewer points you get dinged on, and the better you do in your respective class!

 

Spoken like a true bowtie guy.

 

Personally, I want a low slung, high horsepower, stiff suspension car. BUT lets face it, that is pretty much why the Mustang sold so many more cars than the F-body. Women and mid life crises guys drive the market. Somebody that wants either a "sporty" V6 car or the V8 grunt, but also want a minivan driveable vehicle. After the 80s, the GM enthusiast seemed to want a ground pounder that could outhandle and out accelerate a Mustang. Having been beat on every level all through the 80s, they were tired of it. So GM abliged. Built a cheap Mustang beater. But it wasnt very pretty, and it rattled, and it rode rough etc etc. It sold well in the beginning but in the later years it lost its appeal to women and mid lifers, switching to a more civilized Mustang.

So all in all, I think GM needs to come to a comprimise between the non-enthusiasts just looking for a sporty car, and the true enthusiasts looking for a trackable out of the box racer. In my opinion, the Mustang of the 90s to present is too slow, rides and sits high like a minivan, and has questionable handling. But it sounds badass with a simple catback. Thats what the general, non enthusiast, public want. Granted there are Mustang enthusiasts, but they do not make Ford any money. It is the regular buyer looking for a "sporty car" that drives sales.

So in the end we need an out of the box decent platform to build off of, that also appeals to the general public.

 

Affordable? 28k? Are you crazy. The car should have a base modle at around 20k *V6* and a few variants of the V8's with some higher prices. The car shouldn't cost more than 30k and that would be pushing it for an SS. Seriously these cars were ORGINALLY created to be an affordable sports car. If they were to put the prices up that high, the Mustang would have already won this battle.

 

Ummm, if you read the title of the thread/poll, it asks what kind of Z/28 do you want, nothing about the price of a base V-6 Camaro.
Clyde

 

There should be a few more options in the poll.An affordable Z-28 with say~430 hp...I would vote for.But just a v-8 with 350 hp in the 30k range ...ummmm no.I would pay for a factory car in the 430 up hp range with handling and drivability.I guess they would have to offer a cheap v-6 model,just to get production numbers.

 

Still though you can get a mustang GT for well under 30k. I know they are two differnt cars, but still i think GM should competitivley price this car.

 

What makes you think GT competition wouldnt be competitive? Im sure there will be competitive GT competition regaurdless. Depending on how you answered the poll would determine if you wanted the Z28 to be that competition...

 

That's How I Feel....I DOnt Wanna Be Flossin A V6....Or When Sumbody Ask Me Wat Kinda Engine Is It.....I Wanna TEll Em Its A Z28 NIgguh....Not It's A V6 But Its Fast/..**** That