View Poll Results: How do you want your Z-28?
Affordable 28-32k
59
66.29%
Expensive 38-42k
19
21.35%
Something in between
11
12.36%
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What kind of Z-28 do you want?
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Assuming 430 hp is competitive circa '10/'11 (which I'm not so sure of for a package like Z/28), I'd actually be okay with that.
I can imagine the Z/28 powertrain being better optimized for it's mission as Camaro's hunter/killer though. Things like specific weight flywheel, axle ratio, exhaust, intake, etc.
Also, regarding it being a GT500 killer, (which probably won't even exist when the Z/28 comes out), I think a 3,500 lbs Z/28 with a 450-ish hp smallblock, would club a 3900+ lbs, 500 hp GT500, like it was a baby seal.
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After putting a little thought into this, the Z/28 should be the "cheaper" (or "more affordable" 
) V8, basic features, but with a Z51-like "option" (like the 'Vette) that gives you the premium suspension parts available ... sort of how the 4th-gen SS came equipped (springs/shocks/sway bars/17's vs. 16's). Maybe throw in a cat-back exhaust or something for power, but that's not even the important part. Although, I think the Z/28 and SS should share the ~430 HP LS3 engine 
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The Camaro SS shall receive all of the "trick" goodies available, whether they come standard or are simply available options. Same LS3 engine, but "if" there are any thoughts of a "GT500" killer, give that to the SS (since I think in this world of name/brand recognition, "SS" would be easily recognized as the "top dog").
With all of those options, it'll be like how Dodge offers the Charger with its base engine, then the 5.7L Hemi, and the "big" 6.1L Hemi. Or Ford with the V6, base V8, and GT500.
Back to the Z/28 though. While it should be the cheapest of all the V8's, it should NOT be deprived of power (ie: ~350 HP vs. ~430 HP for the SS) and it should NOT have a lesser suspension than the SS.
That's my $.02
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) V8, basic features, but with a Z51-like "option" (like the 'Vette) that gives you the premium suspension parts available ... sort of how the 4th-gen SS came equipped (springs/shocks/sway bars/17's vs. 16's). Maybe throw in a cat-back exhaust or something for power, but that's not even the important part. Although, I think the Z/28 and SS should share the ~430 HP LS3 engine .The Camaro SS shall receive all of the "trick" goodies available, whether they come standard or are simply available options. Same LS3 engine, but "if" there are any thoughts of a "GT500" killer, give that to the SS (since I think in this world of name/brand recognition, "SS" would be easily recognized as the "top dog").
With all of those options, it'll be like how Dodge offers the Charger with its base engine, then the 5.7L Hemi, and the "big" 6.1L Hemi. Or Ford with the V6, base V8, and GT500.
Back to the Z/28 though. While it should be the cheapest of all the V8's, it should NOT be deprived of power (ie: ~350 HP vs. ~430 HP for the SS) and it should NOT have a lesser suspension than the SS.
That's my $.02
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It's looking like the SS will be the base V8 car now, and will be competing directly with whatever the Mustang GT will be packing under the hood by then.
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The topic has been danced around here for years and seemed like that (a "ZO6" or "FR Mustang" Camaro) was the direction at one time. I'm just wondering if there is anything more concrete now.
Surely the first model year has been locked in and I would assume that GM is now looking at the later models and packages.
PM if you like.
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) then it needs to be a base/low-options model. That was my angle. Not necessarily how it "should" or "will" be, but just a thought .I mean, if I could REALLY have my way (no compromise involved
) I'd want the new Z/28 to basically be a 4-seater C6 Z06 ... high-revving LS7 and all!! 
If that were the case, I'd spend MORE than any SS.
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Z28 / SS debates aside for a second. Not ONE person inside GM or out has put up a reasonable arguement for why non vettes should have less power just because. Not once! The Vette has a high tech lighter chasis that validates its price tag. If someone would perfer that in a 4 seater Camaro or GTO package and is willing to pay for that drive train, what is the problem?
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Well it definetly won`t get the LS2, production of that engine ceased in may of this year. I doubt they will have enough of those laying around in 09...
My Guess is the LS3 Vette will get a bump to 450fwhp in 09, which in reality it is already w/ a 15% driveline loss, 3 stock C6 LS3`s put down 388, 392, 395 respectively to the tire. So basicly a numbers game and the Camaro will get 425 as the z28 quoted hp. I imagine they will be w/ in 10-15 hp of each other at the tire however, vette and camaro, similar to the C5 and the LS1 slomaro...JMHO...
My Guess is the LS3 Vette will get a bump to 450fwhp in 09, which in reality it is already w/ a 15% driveline loss, 3 stock C6 LS3`s put down 388, 392, 395 respectively to the tire. So basicly a numbers game and the Camaro will get 425 as the z28 quoted hp. I imagine they will be w/ in 10-15 hp of each other at the tire however, vette and camaro, similar to the C5 and the LS1 slomaro...JMHO...
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i would love to have a z/28 sitting in my garage, but that being said i voted for the one that wont be sitting im my garage anytime soon, i think the z/28 should be the fastest best handling car out there and be the car that i dream about having while i have my 430hp ss sitting in my garage.
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I'll pay 28k for it.. 32k at the most.. If they want to compete w/ the Stang, they'd better make an affordable V8 Muscle car.. I mean 27k affordable.
THe thing that I keep screaming about is, that they better make a LOT of options with this car! NOT like the GTO where you only really have 5 options.. Interior color, paint color and transmission.. (prolly missing some) Don't make me buy $3000 worth of extra crap just to get the V8. All I want is a LS rear, Possible better suspension package and a 6 speed manual. I don't need onstar, I don't need a fancy radio w/ 12 speakers and a 6 disk changer. -I'll install that stuff myself. I don't need leather or anything really fancy..
ALL OPTIONS PEOPLE!!
THe thing that I keep screaming about is, that they better make a LOT of options with this car! NOT like the GTO where you only really have 5 options.. Interior color, paint color and transmission.. (prolly missing some) Don't make me buy $3000 worth of extra crap just to get the V8. All I want is a LS rear, Possible better suspension package and a 6 speed manual. I don't need onstar, I don't need a fancy radio w/ 12 speakers and a 6 disk changer. -I'll install that stuff myself. I don't need leather or anything really fancy..
ALL OPTIONS PEOPLE!!
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Charlie, I know you and I see eye to eye on what a new Z28 should be. I'm curious what you have heard regarding anybody (anybody that matters) sharing the same vision and if there has been movement toward that end.
The topic has been danced around here for years and seemed like that (a "ZO6" or "FR Mustang" Camaro) was the direction at one time. I'm just wondering if there is anything more concrete now.
Surely the first model year has been locked in and I would assume that GM is now looking at the later models and packages.
PM if you like.
The topic has been danced around here for years and seemed like that (a "ZO6" or "FR Mustang" Camaro) was the direction at one time. I'm just wondering if there is anything more concrete now.
Surely the first model year has been locked in and I would assume that GM is now looking at the later models and packages.
PM if you like.
As far as specifics, it's hard to say, but it's safe to say that the Z/28 will have the baddest suspension, biggest brakes and most powerful motor. Plus some other things specific to it's Z-ness.
My fear might be that too many marketing people might want to put their 2 cents into the Z/28 program and dilute the package. This one, IMHO, should be left relatively pure - for the enthusiasts.
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i think whatever car has the LS3.. should be about equal to the GTO's price with the same options the GTO came with.. adjusted for inflation of course
which means a base Camaro w/LS3 would be under 30k easy
which means a base Camaro w/LS3 would be under 30k easy
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I'll pay 28k for it.. 32k at the most.. If they want to compete w/ the Stang, they'd better make an affordable V8 Muscle car.. I mean 27k affordable.
THe thing that I keep screaming about is, that they better make a LOT of options with this car! NOT like the GTO where you only really have 5 options.. Interior color, paint color and transmission.. (prolly missing some) Don't make me buy $3000 worth of extra crap just to get the V8. All I want is a LS rear, Possible better suspension package and a 6 speed manual. I don't need onstar, I don't need a fancy radio w/ 12 speakers and a 6 disk changer. -I'll install that stuff myself. I don't need leather or anything really fancy..
ALL OPTIONS PEOPLE!!
THe thing that I keep screaming about is, that they better make a LOT of options with this car! NOT like the GTO where you only really have 5 options.. Interior color, paint color and transmission.. (prolly missing some) Don't make me buy $3000 worth of extra crap just to get the V8. All I want is a LS rear, Possible better suspension package and a 6 speed manual. I don't need onstar, I don't need a fancy radio w/ 12 speakers and a 6 disk changer. -I'll install that stuff myself. I don't need leather or anything really fancy..
ALL OPTIONS PEOPLE!!
on a side note, does every one realize the M3 concept accordind to estimates in R&T May 07 p.62
est $65,000
420bhp
295lb tq
redline 8500
wheelbase 108.7
length est 180
width est 72.5
height est 55
weight est 3500
Compare that to the LS3 Camaro SS my estimates/guesses
coupe est $27-$35
430hp
424tq
weight est 3600-3700
Wheelbase (in/mm): est 110.5
Length (in/mm): est 186.7
Width (in/mm): est 77.6
Height (in/mm): est 53.5
I dont know how bhp converts to hp but, LS3 SS with a kick as 1LE road package? yes please!
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