What brand of gas will you be using?
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you do know that your county office of weights and measures checks up on this sort of stuff, right?
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The top 2 countries where the US imports it's oil is Canada and Saudi Arabia (in order). 3rd place is Mexico, and 4th is Venzuela. Combined, those countries supply roughly half of all oil we use. Furthermore, most oil is bought on the open market save some agreement. Even if you don't buy Citgo, chances are you've still bought some Venzuela sourced oil the past few weeks.
If you're thinking that Sunoco's oil is 100% supplied by America, congratulations. You've just won a gullibility award.
While it's true, Sunoco doesn't buy oil from Saudi Arabia, they do buy large quanities of oil from Nigeria and Angola. Now, if you're thinking Sunoco isn't buying oil from Saudi Arabia due to some patriotic duty or due to not wanting to support terroism, you've just won your 2nd gullibility award.
Truth is, Sunoco couldn't use Saudi Arabian oil even if it wanted to. Sunoco's refineries (which unlike most oil companies, Sunoco actually owns!) is set up to run on light "sweet" crude (meaning low to no sulfer) which is the primary oil the US produces. Saudi Arabia sells a light "sour" crude (high sulfer). Keep in mind that there has been a moritorium of new refineries for over 30 years, and when Sunoco was at it's prime, the US produced most all of it's own oil. If there wasn't a ban on refineries, you can bet the farm that Sunoco would have set up new refineries to run on cheaper Saudi Arabian oil instead of costly US and East African (and North Sea) oil.
Here's what Gibson Consulting has to say about oil companies using exclusively "American" oil:
"There are essentially NO major-brand retail gas stations whose product derives from US sources only, and basically all of them have Middle East oil as a significant proportion of their source crude - because if refineries used only American oil, they would be incapable of making the volumes that we demand - a 60% shortfall. A few small regional refiner-producers may use MOSTLY American oil, but even they likely use purchased oil - with imported origins - to produce the volumes of gasoline that are demanded by the American public. In addition to all the crude imported, the U.S. must import about 66 million gallons of refined gasoline because our refineries can't make enough."
Here's what the US Department of Energy says about boycotts against companies that buy large amounts of oil from certain countries:
" Due to the global nature of the oil market, boycotts by individual consumers or even individual countries cannot reduce the oil revenues of a given oil producing country/countries. At best, consumer boycotts of a company known to import crude oil would result in a temporary reduction in the market share of that particular company. Because the overall consumer demand for products made from oil (like gasoline and diesel fuel) would be unchanged, the oil would simply be purchased by some other company."
The US Department of Energy collects data on where major oil companies get their oil from.
Basically, short of not buying any petroleum derived products, picking and choosing which countries you refuese to support by not purchasing from certain oil companies is well beyond an exercise in futility. There is nearly a 100% chance that you have and are going to use oil sourced from one or a combination of these countries: Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Russia, Libya, Angola, & Venzuela, regardless as to where you buy your gas. There is a dead certainty that if you've bought gas this week, your money has gone to oil from another country outside North America, let alone the United States.
Then there's your engine oil, transmission fluid, brake fluid, plastics, the oil the power plant supplying the electricity for your home, the diesel being burned in the busses in Jacksonville and all over the country as well as the locomotives and trucks delivering all our goods.
Want to get away from buying oil from countries we don't like or don't like us?
Find a way to cut oil consumption by at least 30%.
Want to cut all oil imports?
Cut US consumption about 60%.
Otherwise, you're just blowing air.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/experts/contactexperts.htm
http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp
Last edited by guionM; Jul 30, 2008 at 01:06 AM.
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It's all the same, in the UK at least...
In the UK, there are only about 4 refineries in total. Each one is (I think) a joint venture between multiple oil companies.
I live a few miles from Fawley, near Southampton on the south coast - this is one if the biggest.
Each morning, you can see lots of tankers driving away from the terminal delivering to the local stations. Shell, Texaco, BP, Total, supermarket brands, etc all come from the same place - allegedly some of the them add "extra additives" when they do the final delivery, but all I've ever seen is the tanker pull up and link up.
So in the UK at least, there is very little, if any, difference. And has been pointed out, there are minimum standards required, that are checked.
Is the US very different?
I live a few miles from Fawley, near Southampton on the south coast - this is one if the biggest.
Each morning, you can see lots of tankers driving away from the terminal delivering to the local stations. Shell, Texaco, BP, Total, supermarket brands, etc all come from the same place - allegedly some of the them add "extra additives" when they do the final delivery, but all I've ever seen is the tanker pull up and link up.
So in the UK at least, there is very little, if any, difference. And has been pointed out, there are minimum standards required, that are checked.
Is the US very different?
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If you think simply because you don't buy Citgo, you aren't buying oil from Venzuela, or that Sunoco serves only is 100% American oil, you're living in a dream world.
The top 2 countries where the US imports it's oil is Canada and Saudi Arabia (in order). 3rd place is Mexico, and 4th is Venzuela. Combined, those countries supply roughly half of all oil we use. Furthermore, most oil is bought on the open market save some agreement. Even if you don't buy Citgo, chances are you've still bought some Venzuela sourced oil the past few weeks.
If you're thinking that Sunoco's oil is 100% supplied by America, congratulations. You've just won a gullibility award.
While it's true, Sunoco doesn't buy oil from Saudi Arabia, they do buy large quanities of oil from Nigeria and Angola. Now, if you're thinking Sunoco isn't buying oil from Saudi Arabia due to some patriotic duty or due to not wanting to support terroism, you've just won your 2nd gullibility award.
Truth is, Sunoco couldn't use Saudi Arabian oil even if it wanted to. Sunoco's refineries (which unlike most oil companies, Sunoco actually owns!) is set up to run on light "sweet" crude (meaning low to no sulfer) which is the primary oil the US produces. Saudi Arabia sells a light "sour" crude (high sulfer). Keep in mind that there has been a moritorium of new refineries for over 30 years, and when Sunoco was at it's prime, the US produced most all of it's own oil. If there wasn't a ban on refineries, you can bet the farm that Sunoco would have set up new refineries to run on cheaper Saudi Arabian oil instead of costly US and East African (and North Sea) oil.
Here's what Gibson Consulting has to say about oil companies using exclusively "American" oil:
"There are essentially NO major-brand retail gas stations whose product derives from US sources only, and basically all of them have Middle East oil as a significant proportion of their source crude - because if refineries used only American oil, they would be incapable of making the volumes that we demand - a 60% shortfall. A few small regional refiner-producers may use MOSTLY American oil, but even they likely use purchased oil - with imported origins - to produce the volumes of gasoline that are demanded by the American public. In addition to all the crude imported, the U.S. must import about 66 million gallons of refined gasoline because our refineries can't make enough."
Here's what the US Department of Energy says about boycotts against companies that buy large amounts of oil from certain countries:
" Due to the global nature of the oil market, boycotts by individual consumers or even individual countries cannot reduce the oil revenues of a given oil producing country/countries. At best, consumer boycotts of a company known to import crude oil would result in a temporary reduction in the market share of that particular company. Because the overall consumer demand for products made from oil (like gasoline and diesel fuel) would be unchanged, the oil would simply be purchased by some other company."
The US Department of Energy collects data on where major oil companies get their oil from.
Basically, short of not buying any petroleum derived products, picking and choosing which countries you refuese to support by not purchasing from certain oil companies is well beyond an exercise in futility. There is nearly a 100% chance that you have and are going to use oil sourced from one or a combination of these countries: Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Russia, Libya, Angola, & Venzuela, regardless as to where you buy your gas. There is a dead certainty that if you've bought gas this week, your money has gone to oil from another country outside North America, let alone the United States.
Then there's your engine oil, transmission fluid, brake fluid, plastics, the oil the power plant supplying the electricity for your home, the diesel being burned in the busses in Jacksonville and all over the country as well as the locomotives and trucks delivering all our goods.
Want to get away from buying oil from countries we don't like or don't like us?
Find a way to cut oil consumption by at least 30%.
Want to cut all oil imports?
Cut US consumption about 60%.
Otherwise, you're just blowing air.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/experts/contactexperts.htm
http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp
The top 2 countries where the US imports it's oil is Canada and Saudi Arabia (in order). 3rd place is Mexico, and 4th is Venzuela. Combined, those countries supply roughly half of all oil we use. Furthermore, most oil is bought on the open market save some agreement. Even if you don't buy Citgo, chances are you've still bought some Venzuela sourced oil the past few weeks.
If you're thinking that Sunoco's oil is 100% supplied by America, congratulations. You've just won a gullibility award.
While it's true, Sunoco doesn't buy oil from Saudi Arabia, they do buy large quanities of oil from Nigeria and Angola. Now, if you're thinking Sunoco isn't buying oil from Saudi Arabia due to some patriotic duty or due to not wanting to support terroism, you've just won your 2nd gullibility award.
Truth is, Sunoco couldn't use Saudi Arabian oil even if it wanted to. Sunoco's refineries (which unlike most oil companies, Sunoco actually owns!) is set up to run on light "sweet" crude (meaning low to no sulfer) which is the primary oil the US produces. Saudi Arabia sells a light "sour" crude (high sulfer). Keep in mind that there has been a moritorium of new refineries for over 30 years, and when Sunoco was at it's prime, the US produced most all of it's own oil. If there wasn't a ban on refineries, you can bet the farm that Sunoco would have set up new refineries to run on cheaper Saudi Arabian oil instead of costly US and East African (and North Sea) oil.
Here's what Gibson Consulting has to say about oil companies using exclusively "American" oil:
"There are essentially NO major-brand retail gas stations whose product derives from US sources only, and basically all of them have Middle East oil as a significant proportion of their source crude - because if refineries used only American oil, they would be incapable of making the volumes that we demand - a 60% shortfall. A few small regional refiner-producers may use MOSTLY American oil, but even they likely use purchased oil - with imported origins - to produce the volumes of gasoline that are demanded by the American public. In addition to all the crude imported, the U.S. must import about 66 million gallons of refined gasoline because our refineries can't make enough."
Here's what the US Department of Energy says about boycotts against companies that buy large amounts of oil from certain countries:
" Due to the global nature of the oil market, boycotts by individual consumers or even individual countries cannot reduce the oil revenues of a given oil producing country/countries. At best, consumer boycotts of a company known to import crude oil would result in a temporary reduction in the market share of that particular company. Because the overall consumer demand for products made from oil (like gasoline and diesel fuel) would be unchanged, the oil would simply be purchased by some other company."
The US Department of Energy collects data on where major oil companies get their oil from.
Basically, short of not buying any petroleum derived products, picking and choosing which countries you refuese to support by not purchasing from certain oil companies is well beyond an exercise in futility. There is nearly a 100% chance that you have and are going to use oil sourced from one or a combination of these countries: Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Russia, Libya, Angola, & Venzuela, regardless as to where you buy your gas. There is a dead certainty that if you've bought gas this week, your money has gone to oil from another country outside North America, let alone the United States.
Then there's your engine oil, transmission fluid, brake fluid, plastics, the oil the power plant supplying the electricity for your home, the diesel being burned in the busses in Jacksonville and all over the country as well as the locomotives and trucks delivering all our goods.
Want to get away from buying oil from countries we don't like or don't like us?
Find a way to cut oil consumption by at least 30%.
Want to cut all oil imports?
Cut US consumption about 60%.
Otherwise, you're just blowing air.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/experts/contactexperts.htm
http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp
I was wrong, sorry about that. I meant to say that Sunoco uses 0% Arab oil. Not that it was 100% US. My bad.
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My thoughts exactly. (that, and it's usually $.05-$.10 cheaper than the guy across the street.
)As ridiculous as it sounds, I'll continue to blow air...I don't care how it works out in the end.
Last edited by Dragoneye; Jul 31, 2008 at 02:11 PM.
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If anybody drives by any of the oil companies storage facilities (where the tankers fill up) you will notice the trucks fill up at each others filling stations. The different additives (techroline...ect) are added to the gasoline in the tanker before it delivers to the gas station. So basically you don't really know which gas you are putting in your tank.
Don't believe it, just drive by one of those storage facilities.
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Correct
If anybody drives by any of the oil companies storage facilities (where the tankers fill up) you will notice the trucks fill up at each others filling stations. The different additives (techroline...ect) are added to the gasoline in the tanker before it delivers to the gas station. So basically you don't really know which gas you are putting in your tank.
Don't believe it, just drive by one of those storage facilities.
If anybody drives by any of the oil companies storage facilities (where the tankers fill up) you will notice the trucks fill up at each others filling stations. The different additives (techroline...ect) are added to the gasoline in the tanker before it delivers to the gas station. So basically you don't really know which gas you are putting in your tank.
Don't believe it, just drive by one of those storage facilities.
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I don't know if this is true, maybe someone in the know could verify or debunk this.
It is my understanding that Shell is the only company who washes out their tankers between fill ups. If this is the case it would mean the fuel left in the tanker would mix with the new stuff from other fuel companys.
It does not make sense to me because that would mean you also mix the different additives, minute amounts yes, but still mixing. Would that make any difference at the pump dealing with the amounts tankers haul?
It is my understanding that Shell is the only company who washes out their tankers between fill ups. If this is the case it would mean the fuel left in the tanker would mix with the new stuff from other fuel companys.
It does not make sense to me because that would mean you also mix the different additives, minute amounts yes, but still mixing. Would that make any difference at the pump dealing with the amounts tankers haul?
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