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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 11:19 PM
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VVT + Direct Injection + OHV 3.9L = 300hp?

It could happen, especially with VVT and DI.

What would that do to Camaro's engine line-up?
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:08 AM
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It would make the v6 Camaro a pretty sporty car, and close the gap in power levels between the v6 and mid level v8. It would also be pretty humorous to see a v6 Camaro running with a v8 GT, assuming of course that the GTs haven't gotten their motor upgrades by then.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:08 AM
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I'm sure us enthusiasts would love it, however the issue lies in the feasibility for the masses. Having the low end vehicle at 300 hp is all well and good, however there is the example of parents not wanting their children to wrap their cars around telephone poles. Wasn't there also a comment made that some people chose not to get Z28s because they were not comfortable with that much power? As well, we want this vehicle to be affordable in the way of insurance. The more power a driver has to control, the higher the price.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a 300 hp base model, however we need to keep the big picture in mind
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:11 AM
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Insurance quotes are not given on just the power of the vehicle. This is a common misconception these days. Besides, I would doubt the Camaro is going to be marketed to teenagers, so I don't think that is much of an issue.

People don't seem too deathly afraid of 350Zs, and these cars are making 300hp out of their v6s nowadays, and are in a lighter body.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 12:17 AM
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Re: VVT + Direct Injection + OHV 3.9L = 300hp?

Let me throw some speculative numbers out, if we had VVT and direct injection.

3.5L V6 = 250hp
3.9L V6 = 300hp
5.3L V8 = 390 hp
6.2L V8 = 500 hp
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 01:04 AM
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Those numbers are fine with me.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 01:13 AM
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Re: VVT + Direct Injection + OHV 3.9L = 300hp?

Originally Posted by Z284ever
Let me throw some speculative numbers out, if we had VVT and direct injection.

3.5L V6 = 250hp
3.9L V6 = 300hp
5.3L V8 = 390 hp
6.2L V8 = 500 hp
if we had 4 models that would be good. I really think 250 hp would be the right amount for a base v6 camaro.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 02:07 AM
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What would be the cost difference of a 3.6 vs the 3.9? 390hp out of the 5.3?
When did the 60* V6's get the ability for DI? I thought it was HF only, not HV.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 03:41 AM
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Re: VVT + Direct Injection + OHV 3.9L = 300hp?

Originally Posted by Z284ever
Let me throw some speculative numbers out, if we had VVT and direct injection.

3.5L V6 = 250hp
3.9L V6 = 300hp
5.3L V8 = 390 hp
6.2L V8 = 500 hp
Possibly the most prudent lineup Ive seen posted yet . They boasted enuff about it to probabaly have to stick 400 hp , so add 10 to selection #3 and I think we might have a winner .
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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Re: VVT + Direct Injection + OHV 3.9L = 300hp?

I'm really not seeing the need for two different V6 engines. however, I feel a 300 - 325 hp V8 would be a better selling point. What would the cost difference be between the 300 hp V6 and a 300 hp 5.3l V8 (LS4)? I couldn't see the 300 HP V6 being used in too many models where the LS4 is alreay used in several.

IMO the line up should be:

250 HP V6 in base or RS trim
325 HP V8 with AFM (LS4) in base or RS trim
400 HP V8 in SS or Z/28 trim ( I don't want to stir that hornets nest)
500 HP V8 in *see above


Also...Which would get better gas mileage, a 300 hp V6 or V8?

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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 09:39 AM
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Re: VVT + Direct Injection + OHV 3.9L = 300hp?

Originally Posted by SGT Posaune
I'm really not seeing the need for two different V6 engines. however, I feel a 300 - 325 hp V8 would be a better selling point. What would the cost difference be between the 300 hp V6 and a 300 hp 5.3l V8 (LS4)? I couldn't see the 300 HP V6 being used in too many models where the LS4 is alreay used in several.

IMO the line up should be:

250 HP V6 in base or RS trim
325 HP V8 with AFM (LS4) in base or RS trim
400 HP V8 in SS or Z/28 trim ( I don't want to stir that hornets nest)
500 HP V8 in *see above


Also...Which would get better gas mileage, a 300 hp V6 or V8?

The point is, if these technologies are applied, and we get a 300 hp V6 out the deal, do we need a 300-ish hp V8?
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 10:05 AM
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Re: VVT + Direct Injection + OHV 3.9L = 300hp?

I brought up the same question about the 3.6 DOHC engine, that is said to be boosted up to over 300hp for the next CTS to fight off the Lexus IS and Infinity G35. I would think that this would force the V6 buyers into using preimum fuel, something that would deffinatly be unattractive for someone looking for a V6 car as a daily driver. Forcing them to pay another 20-30 cents a gallon, when they could go to Ford and get a 300hp V8 that runs on regular? IMO, bad move.
A 260-270hp V6 should be more then plenty to move this car well. Then a jump up to the 320-350hp 5.3, also on regular, and then a 6.0/6.2 making near or over 400hp taking preimum, I can see that happen.
Will DI be available for the Gen IV's as well?
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 10:08 AM
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Re: VVT + Direct Injection + OHV 3.9L = 300hp?

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The point is, if these technologies are applied, and we get a 300 hp V6 out the deal, do we need a 300-ish hp V8?
No we don't. 300 hp in a sports car/coupe for a V8 now a days is weak. I would say that the lowest V8 should not have less than 350-360, but I much prefer the 390-400 hp level.

I think that 2 V6 models could be a good idea and I actually like that. It makes the whole line-up more special and complete. It also gives the impression that the V6 model is just a model for the "po folks" and one that was just thrown together because "they had to". A 300 hp 3.9 would offer great performance at a good price and would be able to handle most of the imports easily. Ford would have to do something with that 4.6 by then or it will be 96' all over again when the 3.8 was only a little slower than the 4.6 GT.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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Re: VVT + Direct Injection + OHV 3.9L = 300hp?

Originally Posted by Z284ever
It could happen, especially with VVT and DI.

What would that do to Camaro's engine line-up?
Originally Posted by Z284ever
The point is, if these technologies are applied, and we get a 300 hp V6 out the deal, do we need a 300-ish hp V8?
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 10:33 AM
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Re: VVT + Direct Injection + OHV 3.9L = 300hp?

Originally Posted by Rob V
I'm sure us enthusiasts would love it, however the issue lies in the feasibility for the masses. Having the low end vehicle at 300 hp is all well and good, however there is the example of parents not wanting their children to wrap their cars around telephone poles. Wasn't there also a comment made that some people chose not to get Z28s because they were not comfortable with that much power? As well, we want this vehicle to be affordable in the way of insurance. The more power a driver has to control, the higher the price.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a 300 hp base model, however we need to keep the big picture in mind

How many kids get brand new $20,000 + cars?



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