View Poll Results: Rate the Camaro Concept on a Scale of 1-10, 10 being the highest
10
249
34.34%
9
221
30.48%
8
135
18.62%
7
42
5.79%
6
21
2.90%
5
17
2.34%
4
10
1.38%
3
6
0.83%
2
7
0.97%
1
17
2.34%
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OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
01-29-2006, 12:37 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
I just went to the Houston Auto show today and saw the Camaro concept in Red. All I can say is this car is the BOMB! Without a doubt the Exterior is Killer. Althought I would like to see a fuller spolier on the back and a more functional side mirrors. The proportions of the car are great. The roof and side profiles are spot on. I call it Rero-Modern and to me thats ok since many believe that the fisrt gen camaro is one of if not the best looking car chevy ever built.
01-29-2006, 01:54 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
Originally Posted by moparmat
GM got piggish with the money and the only way to get the hot V8 models was to pile on the options to get the V8. .
01-31-2006, 09:40 AM
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Looks like a cross between the Firebird and the new Mustang Not to mention a little Mazda-ish in the rear.. Not enough curves on this one. Think it looks to much like everything else...non original
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02-01-2006, 01:45 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
I disagree with those who say the car is "too angry" looking. I enjoy the fact that it looks like it could eat somebody alive. I could see the commercial now.
:man clicks the alarm button on his car and walks into store:
:dog runs by and lifts its leg to pee on it:
:loud monster eating something noise as screen fades to black with the camaro logo "coming soon":
:then the man comes out with a leash hanging out of the hood with a befuddled look upon his face:
:man clicks the alarm button on his car and walks into store:
:dog runs by and lifts its leg to pee on it:
:loud monster eating something noise as screen fades to black with the camaro logo "coming soon":
:then the man comes out with a leash hanging out of the hood with a befuddled look upon his face:
02-01-2006, 06:04 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
Love the styling for the Camaro.
Now for Chevy to build it , AsAP.
as a 2008 will be good.
As for what will stay and what will go on the production model.
The wheels will be replaced with 17 to 18 inchers.
The interior will likely be more practical & functional.
The LS2 will likely be either detuned to about 380-390 hp, or replaced with the smaller more fuel efficent 5.3L LS4 V8(about 325 -350hp).
Also look for a 6 speed manual(in both v6 & v8 models), or a new 5 speed Auto tranny in both.
Other than that there may be a few minor styling chances, like a slightly narrower body.
Now for Chevy to build it , AsAP.
as a 2008 will be good.
As for what will stay and what will go on the production model.
The wheels will be replaced with 17 to 18 inchers.
The interior will likely be more practical & functional.
The LS2 will likely be either detuned to about 380-390 hp, or replaced with the smaller more fuel efficent 5.3L LS4 V8(about 325 -350hp).
Also look for a 6 speed manual(in both v6 & v8 models), or a new 5 speed Auto tranny in both.
Other than that there may be a few minor styling chances, like a slightly narrower body.
02-01-2006, 06:54 PM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
Originally Posted by krj-1168
Love the styling for the Camaro.
Now for Chevy to build it , AsAP.
as a 2008 will be good.
As for what will stay and what will go on the production model.
The wheels will be replaced with 17 to 18 inchers.
The interior will likely be more practical & functional.
The LS2 will likely be either detuned to about 380-390 hp, or replaced with the smaller more fuel efficent 5.3L LS4 V8(about 325 -350hp).
Also look for a 6 speed manual(in both v6 & v8 models), or a new 5 speed Auto tranny in both.
Other than that there may be a few minor styling chances, like a slightly narrower body.
Now for Chevy to build it , AsAP.
as a 2008 will be good.
As for what will stay and what will go on the production model.
The wheels will be replaced with 17 to 18 inchers.
The interior will likely be more practical & functional.
The LS2 will likely be either detuned to about 380-390 hp, or replaced with the smaller more fuel efficent 5.3L LS4 V8(about 325 -350hp).
Also look for a 6 speed manual(in both v6 & v8 models), or a new 5 speed Auto tranny in both.
Other than that there may be a few minor styling chances, like a slightly narrower body.
The body will be what you see now and the motor will not have less HP than a GTO and maybe a few more than the 400 HP in the concept. It will I would say stay just under a C6 vette but above everything else in the GM line
02-02-2006, 09:34 PM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
Originally Posted by Fbodfather
Not true. A Z28 could be ordered without all the options.......still the best bang for the buck out there.....three years later!
(I am not infering this, I am asking guys
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02-03-2006, 04:42 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
Okay, Let me put a few things prespective here.
The Vette is Chevy's flagship car, and has been for over 50 years.
The GTO is Pontiac's flagship car, and is likely to remain so, into the next decade.
The Camaro will be Chevy's pony-car.
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The Vette has a base price of 45K
The GTO currently has a base price of about 33K, and by 2008 it will likely be 35K.
To make the Camaro compariable to the Mustang. It will have to have a base price at 20K for the V6 model, and roughly 25-27K for the V8 model.
Also the new Camaro SS will likely be about 150 - 200 lbs lighter than the '08 GTO.
GM is now in a mode where that don't want inside compatition with their flagship models.
For the Camaro to have the same engine and Horsepower as the GTO, yet cost less, and be a lighter -- would simply kill the GTO.
Where the GTO and Vette can have the same motor & horsepower rating. Because the GTO is nearly 500 lbs heavier than the Vette. Therefore the Vette is faster, in all tests.
The Vette has a weight/Hp ratio of roughly 8.2lbs/hp for the base Vette, and 6.2lbs/hp for the Z06. By 2008, that will likely drop to just 7.7lbs/hp for the base model C6.
The GTO for 2006 has a weight/hp ratio of just 9.5 lbs/hp. And best guess on the 2008 GTO will have a lbs/hp ratio of about 8.9 lbs/hp.
So a 08/09 Camaro SS will very likely not have lbs/hp ratio lower than 9.7lbs/hp. And it may be as high as 11 lbs/hp. If the SS curb weight is about 3,550 lbs, then that means you have a horsepower of between 330 to 370.
Which is as fast or possible faster than the Mustang.
Keep in mind GM & Chevy expect to sale at least 80,000 Camaros per year. And would like to sale over 100,000 Camaros per year.
The '08 GTO is expect to only sale about 20,000 - 25,000 models per year. And the Vette is saleing roughtly 25,000 -30,000.
So the Camaro will out sale both cars.
The Vette is Chevy's flagship car, and has been for over 50 years.
The GTO is Pontiac's flagship car, and is likely to remain so, into the next decade.
The Camaro will be Chevy's pony-car.
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The Vette has a base price of 45K
The GTO currently has a base price of about 33K, and by 2008 it will likely be 35K.
To make the Camaro compariable to the Mustang. It will have to have a base price at 20K for the V6 model, and roughly 25-27K for the V8 model.
Also the new Camaro SS will likely be about 150 - 200 lbs lighter than the '08 GTO.
GM is now in a mode where that don't want inside compatition with their flagship models.
For the Camaro to have the same engine and Horsepower as the GTO, yet cost less, and be a lighter -- would simply kill the GTO.
Where the GTO and Vette can have the same motor & horsepower rating. Because the GTO is nearly 500 lbs heavier than the Vette. Therefore the Vette is faster, in all tests.
The Vette has a weight/Hp ratio of roughly 8.2lbs/hp for the base Vette, and 6.2lbs/hp for the Z06. By 2008, that will likely drop to just 7.7lbs/hp for the base model C6.
The GTO for 2006 has a weight/hp ratio of just 9.5 lbs/hp. And best guess on the 2008 GTO will have a lbs/hp ratio of about 8.9 lbs/hp.
So a 08/09 Camaro SS will very likely not have lbs/hp ratio lower than 9.7lbs/hp. And it may be as high as 11 lbs/hp. If the SS curb weight is about 3,550 lbs, then that means you have a horsepower of between 330 to 370.
Which is as fast or possible faster than the Mustang.
Keep in mind GM & Chevy expect to sale at least 80,000 Camaros per year. And would like to sale over 100,000 Camaros per year.
The '08 GTO is expect to only sale about 20,000 - 25,000 models per year. And the Vette is saleing roughtly 25,000 -30,000.
So the Camaro will out sale both cars.
02-03-2006, 05:30 PM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
I can't get into the Mustang because it looks to retro without the sexy lines that the original has. It is a heavy looking car, i.e. heavy bodied.
The Challenger concept car appeals more to me because it does a better job of capturing the Challenger look. Honestly, I'm not into retro cars very much at all, but I think this one sets better with me because there just aren't that many Challengers to begin with. Plus, this concept looks miles closer to a real vehicle. Overall, though, lets ditch the retro thing. I'm still waiting for the cool car designs we all saw and hoped would become reality when we were kids. Lets move forward, not back!
As for the Camaro concept, I can't get excited. True, I am beyond amazed it took GM this long to get to a concept car. I'm even more amazed at how much of this car is beyond production reality. The wheels are just a minor point in impracticality. Everything else just pushes it way over the true essence of Camaro, and that is affordable performance with room to improve at the hands of the customer. There should be something much closer to a production ready vehicle being unveiled than this. It is cool, though. So were a lot of other concept cars that never made it, or were so butchered only a few styling cues made production.
Again, this is a heavy bodied car. I see enough Magnums and other 300 based cars to have my fill of the "peer out of the cave" look. Again, hard to get enthused over styling and construction when the $ pinching will almost assuredly kill off a lot of what makes this car cool.
Is the concept cool? Yes. About 3 years passed due, and many miles from reality. The only true enthusiasm I can garner from it is it appears GM might actually be serious about it. I sure as hell won't be holding my breath waiting for the reality, though.
The Challenger concept car appeals more to me because it does a better job of capturing the Challenger look. Honestly, I'm not into retro cars very much at all, but I think this one sets better with me because there just aren't that many Challengers to begin with. Plus, this concept looks miles closer to a real vehicle. Overall, though, lets ditch the retro thing. I'm still waiting for the cool car designs we all saw and hoped would become reality when we were kids. Lets move forward, not back!
As for the Camaro concept, I can't get excited. True, I am beyond amazed it took GM this long to get to a concept car. I'm even more amazed at how much of this car is beyond production reality. The wheels are just a minor point in impracticality. Everything else just pushes it way over the true essence of Camaro, and that is affordable performance with room to improve at the hands of the customer. There should be something much closer to a production ready vehicle being unveiled than this. It is cool, though. So were a lot of other concept cars that never made it, or were so butchered only a few styling cues made production.
Again, this is a heavy bodied car. I see enough Magnums and other 300 based cars to have my fill of the "peer out of the cave" look. Again, hard to get enthused over styling and construction when the $ pinching will almost assuredly kill off a lot of what makes this car cool.
Is the concept cool? Yes. About 3 years passed due, and many miles from reality. The only true enthusiasm I can garner from it is it appears GM might actually be serious about it. I sure as hell won't be holding my breath waiting for the reality, though.
02-03-2006, 05:58 PM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
Originally Posted by krj-1168
For the Camaro to have the same engine and Horsepower as the GTO, yet cost less, and be a lighter -- would simply kill the GTO.
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02-05-2006, 05:27 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
All I can say is anyone thinks the camaro will have less HP than anything other than a vette is dreaming
But with the '08 GTO & Camaro being built on the same chassis. It's very possible that the weight different between them would be less than 100 lbs(with the GTO, slightly heavier). In which case Camaro might receive the same engine as the GTO and base Vette, just the motor would be slightly detuned.
Still the Camaro will GM's 3rd most powerful car(right behind the Vette & GTO). Well unless, you also count the Z06 & 'Vette SS(Blue Devil - yes, GM's actually going to build it), as separate models.
My horsepower estimates for the production Camaro are based on Chevy keeping the Camaro's Horsepower under the base C6 Vette HP rating, and still making the Camaro competitive both in price & profromance with the Mustang. Which is something Chevy & GM want to do.
The 2008 GTO, like the Camaro will be built in North America, instead of Australia. The main reason for the GTO's low sales is because Pontiac can only import about 15,000 per yr. due to Holden's restrictions. A North American GTO, wouldn't have these restrictions, so Pontiac would be able to increase the production of the GTO.
02-09-2006, 11:26 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL CamaroZ28.Com "Camaro Concept" Feedback Poll
I didn't read all the posts so i don't know if this topic has been brought up yet. Did anybody notice that it has independent rear suspension? I only hope that when it becomes a production car they change it to a solid rear axle. That would suck like crazy if they finaly brought the camaro back and you couldn't drag race it. I gave it a 1, I know thats low but to me it dosent look like a drag car and of course the independent rear suspension. Camaros have always been known to be drag cars so why are they builing a retro, luxery car?