TrickStang37

do you even have that comparison? im curious to see what it looks like.


but even then, the torque curves he is talking about is cars at part throttle and not at WOT, where dyno graphs are typically done at.

TrickStang37

some people don't want everything that comes standard on cars nowadays shoved down their throat and forced fed.

Z284ever

If the Camaro met my specifications, I'd pay the $3-$4K difference in a heartbeat.

That is, if were still buying one or two.


But I can see the price difference being a factor for alot potential buyers.

JakeRobb

I'd like to see those graphs too, but when both engines are NA, low RPM is where extra displacement really makes a difference.

super83Z

Where did the $4K figure come from again?

Camaro 2SS starts at $34,180

Mustang Convertible GT Premium starts at $36,845

So lets say that the 'vert is $4K more (even tho this is speculation atm) that makes the GT Premium start at $32,845

bringing the grand difference to $1,335.00 I'm sorry but at that difference the Camaro Embarasses the Mustang

and for fun imagine if the 'vert only cost $3K more........ $335 more for the Camaro

BigBlueCruiser

Really?

You think a 3700lb car with a 300hp no torque V6 is going to run anywhere close to 13.2@106?

Cuz that's what '08/'09 Bullitts run. And the '10 GT is the Bullitt drivetrain.

Actually, the '10 GT is going to give quite a few '10 SS owners a run for their money.

2010_5thgen

well too bad. but still if the standard things on the camaro compared to the not so standard base model mustang, its what a few hundred dollars? thats not too bad of a deal no matter how much you dont like all the conveniences it offers over the mustang.

2010_5thgen

i have to disagree with that. i think the v6 WILL be a competator for the gt. yeah the gt may slowly win but the v6 camaro will put up one hell of a fight. and as far as the 2010 gt coming close to the ss......not gonna happen.

CLEAN

Make fun all you want, but here's a sample of what they're already starting to write....

CLEAN

Yes, I am. I am saying at part throttle, low rpm everyday driving situations, the differences are not that big. I switch off every other day between the vette and the SS, and the above statement is true.

How did you get to be a moderator w/ the inflamatory tone of your posts?

CLEAN

Base price of the 2010 Premium GT is $30,095, or $4085 difference over the 2SS. Sorry, I rounded down to make it a nice round number. And a GT premium vert doesnt START at 36,845, that's the price when you load out the car.

WhiteHawk

Sorry, but every dyno is at full throttle. That is kind of the point. Part throttle driving, the V6 is still superior to pretty much any V6 or V8 due to direct injection and four cam phasers.

Wow, the cars aren't even out yet and the mustang guys are lining their V8 up against the Camaro's V6! Priceless! V6 to V6, Camaro will romp a Mustang. And if a Camaro with a V6 loses a close one to a V8 Mustang, what is the V8 mustang guy going to do, brag about beating a V6 car? Got rice?

Maybe on the ricer flyby! Dream on other than that.

-Geoff

JakeRobb

Yeah, maybe the ones that can't drive.

Being a moderator just means that I help keep the board clear of political/religious posts and other violations of the user agreement. It doesn't mean that I'm not entitled to my opinion, nor does it mean I'm not allowed to use sarcasm (or, as you call it, "inflammatory tone") to express it.

Z284ever

Nope, it doesn't. Not even close.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Camaro's pricing was worked out. Like I said previously, if the new Camaro appealed to me and met my specs, I'd pay the 4 grand premium in a heartbeat. In fact, I've been a proponent of the Camaro moving slightly upmarket, my reasoning being that it would theoretically allow the car to be better.

The curious thing for me here though, is that GM so painstakingly benchmarked the Mustang in agonizing detail. Even, in my opinion, compromising the 'ponycar' formula during/because of said benchmarkiing. And we've been force fed the notion that using, what some of us may consider an inappropriate architecture, was necessary in order for the car to be "affordable".

But in in the end, the Camaro was priced, essentially a whole price class higher.

ZZtop

I know where you were coming from with this and your anger at the previous posters stupid statement about a V6 Camaro running with a V8 Mustang bleed through in your statement, but this way of thinking has got to stop on ALL message boards.

It has become the norm for many people to post a cars best times as normal.

Quoting a 13.2 for the Bullitt is like quoting a 12.9 for the 4th Gen Camaro, an 11.8 for the C5Z06, a 10.9 for the C6Z06, a 12.2 for the GT500, etc. etc.

Quoting the very best times is sooooo misleading and such a bad way to compare two typical cars and drivers. There have been several tests of Bullitts in the 13.4 to 13.6 range and that is certainly more likely what most of us will see them run with good drivers. About equal to the best times of the 2009 GT. Sounds reasonable right.

Could that give a 2010 SS a run for its money, I think it could. I dont think this will be the norm, but Ford has done a very good job with the weight and gearing of the 2010 GT.

BIG THING TO REMEMBER HERE. We keep talking about the OPTIONAL 3.73 gears on the 2010 GT as if every single GT ordered is going to have them. This simply will not be the case. With 3.55 gears, the GT is not a threat at all.


Another way to look at it, with good drivers, the 4th Gen Camaro and 2010 GT with optional 3.73 gears should be competitive. The GT is equal to or slightly lighter in weight and while down on power, has better gearing. So for stop light races and anything up to around 100mph, the GT will be very competitive.

So one has to ask themselves, will the 2010 SS be faster than a 4th Gen??? I think so.


***My prediction: we will see a best of 12.7 from the Camaro SS, which is a full HALF SECOND faster than the Bullitts (2010 GT w/3.73 gears) best. Thats an a$$ whoopin***