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just got the new motortrend and the camaro came in 3rd. the mustang beat it in every speed category. they said the camaro isn't aging as gracefully as some cars do.they said "the camaro feels like a concept car or a toy" and a car you wouldn't want to spend a lot of time in. they said the ford mustang is the quickest,best handling car with the lowest base price and friendliest cockpit. the dodge challenger srt8 came in second. they ended with saying that until chevy or dodge tweaks a substantial engine,chassis or body part, the mustang gt will reign as v8 ponycar champion. iam in disbelief.
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Always take whatever car magazines say with a grain of salt. They remind me of those kids in school that are always ready to jump on whatever is the new hottness and bash everything else. The Camaro has only been out for a little over a year, and the Mustang a few weeks. Its pretty dumb to say its not aging gracefully. The performance of both cars is very close and can go either way.
And even if they do want it to reign as ponycar champion. Hell, theyre waaaaayyyy overdue anyways. Let them have their time in the sun for a year or two. We have Corvettes,Cadillacs and several other things to keep us busy. |
If a magazine told you that Polka music was the best music on the planet, would that make it so? :)
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Originally Posted by JasonD
(Post 6383233)
If a magazine told you that Polka music was the best music on the planet, would that make it so? :)
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these aren't just opinions the mustang won in every speed category their was. before my corvette i had a 1994 z28 i love chevy, and i know this has been said a million times already but the camaro HAS to lose some weight....they put one of the most potent engines the ls3 in a tank
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The cars are very close on the numbers. They're miles apart in feel and intangibles. People gripe a lot about the Camaro's cockpit, but I love it. It's ergonomic from a clean slate, instead of tweaking "how things have always been done." Some people will like it, some people won't, so what. I like the look of our '02 Avalanche, too.
The Mustang is definately more "tossable." Push hard on my wife's '06 GT and you'll say, "Wow, that was wild!" Push hard on my '10 SS, and it'll tell you, "Yeah, so?" They get to about the same place, although my wife says she'd never take the fly-overs from the interstate to the toll roads around North Austin like I do. How much do you want to feel like your ride is about to get away from you? The '11 Mustangs have some great engines! They've tweaked the suspensions and outright fixed the lame-oh feel of the six-cylinder. They're dramatically different from the Camaro's, although they're aimed at about the same market. I like my Camaro much better. I think that there'll be plenty of customers lined up to buy both for a long time. I'm also really curious what a good engine and a sophisticated suspension would be like on a lighter chassis. But, the Camaro will get you grins from other drivers going by in SL 500's. I think it's like the fist-fights that break out over whether or not you should put beans in your chili. Do you like beans? If so, put in some beans. |
Yes, their opinions are just that. Opinions.
However, the problem is with all the sheep that hang on every word of the editors of these magazines. If these guys say the Mustang is better, then it must be better. Now they'll go out and buy one instead of the Camaro because of what a magaizine said. And they'll justify their actions by pointing out their favorite magazine said it was better. So while people like us know better, the average person does not. And I think this is what the OP has a problem with. |
Competition will only make the breed stronger and keep GM from getting comfortable. Ford has said that the 2011 is it until 2013, so no more tweaking for a while. This sets the stage for GM to address the cabin design (already being rumored), maybe tweak the handling a bit and find another 15 HP in the V8s. If they could find a way to peel out a hundred pounds that would certainly help things too. Not to mention that we have the convertible and the Z coming. :yes:
I like the content and the options that Ford has going with the Mustang, but the Camaro looks better and has the "it" factor. :p I just drove the 5.0 last week, and couldn't believe that my elbow opended the backward facing console door 4 times on the test drive. Heck it took them three years to add a trunk button (which now sits on the top of the console next to the traction control in a very forgettable location). It's these sorts of quirks that keep Ford in a fog. They just don't seem to think when they design things. :lol: |
The bigger problem is not that the Mustang beat the Camaro but that if it was really 3rd that means the Challenger somehow managed to best it... that seems quite unbelievable.
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Motor Trend is more emotional and moody than some of my worst ex-girlfriends.
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Originally Posted by besz28
(Post 6382925)
just got the new motortrend and the camaro came in 3rd. the mustang beat it in every speed category. they said the camaro isn't aging as gracefully as some cars do.they said "the camaro feels like a concept car or a toy" and a car you wouldn't want to spend a lot of time in. they said the ford mustang is the quickest,best handling car with the lowest base price and friendliest cockpit. the dodge challenger srt8 came in second. they ended with saying that until chevy or dodge tweaks a substantial engine,chassis or body part, the mustang gt will reign as v8 ponycar champion. iam in disbelief.
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I dont think you are going to get a 3350lb 4-seater Camaro that has quality and durability.
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Originally Posted by graham
(Post 6383682)
I dont think you are going to get a 3350lb 4-seater Camaro that has quality and durability.
Cant please everyone I guess. I remember how many complaints people had about the 4th gens. Now its kind of the opposite and you still get complaints. |
beat by the challenger? lmao, yea right!
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The new 5.0 Mustang is a better car than the Camaro SS or Challenger R/T-SRT-8 period. Better performance is what sells enthusiast and overall looks is what sells new buyers. I'd say all three cars are still great in their own ways though. What I don't understand though is how the slow Challenger somehow did better then the Camaro:think:
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Originally Posted by GMRL
(Post 6383689)
Cant please everyone I guess.
I remember how many complaints people had about the 4th gens. Now its kind of the opposite and you still get complaints. |
Originally Posted by CamaroZ282008
(Post 6383755)
What I don't understand though is how the slow Challenger somehow did better then the Camaro:think:
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Funny how the weight is not an issue with me especially when you hit rutted potholed covered Ontario roads....Love the look, feel and muscle and neat interior of the SS....Funny how ALL the Mustangs I pass look hard and long at "my" SS....Funny how my powertrain warranty blows the door off any Ford....Funny how people still gather around in the neighborhood when I pull my black beauty out on a nice sunday (yesterday)...Funny how one car mag loves your car and the next puts it in the weeds....Funny how GM/Chevy did so many things right with my new Camaro that the fact that Mustang is one tenth quicker to 60MPH by a professional race driver in one test or another....Funny how I just dont care about Mustangs as they are as common as Corolla's around here....Yawn.....Just another Stang....
Funny how I absolutely HATE Polka music.......:no: |
What does Fbodfather think of this article? :D
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Originally Posted by 426HPSS
(Post 6384104)
Funny how the weight is not an issue with me especially when you hit rutted potholed covered Ontario roads....Love the look, feel and muscle and neat interior of the SS....Funny how ALL the Mustangs I pass look hard and long at "my" SS....Funny how my powertrain warranty blows the door off any Ford....Funny how people still gather around in the neighborhood when I pull my black beauty out on a nice sunday (yesterday)...Funny how one car mag loves your car and the next puts it in the weeds....Funny how GM/Chevy did so many things right with my new Camaro that the fact that Mustang is one tenth quicker to 60MPH by a professional race driver in one test or another....Funny how I just dont care about Mustangs as they are as common as Corolla's around here....Yawn.....Just another Stang....
Funny how I absolutely HATE Polka music.......:no: You sure do talk like nothings better then a Camaro. Specifically the 2010 that's black that gets plenty of stares by car guys who happen to drive a mustang :rolleyes: What's your point? The 2010 Camaro is a great looking car and people will stare at it...get over it. Who cares if people come by the drowns to stare at your "black beauty" pulling out of your garage. I get people everyday complementing me on my 16 year old Mustang sitting in the parking lot. You seem to be a hater of the very car that got the wheels turning for the original camaros production in the first place. Haters will always hate. Someone who can appreciate both cars with an unbiased point of view are the types of people who are true car enthusiast. As for your statement about the mustangs being as common as corollas it's so very true who would of thought. I wonder why? Well both the Mustang and Camaro are relatively affordable mass produced cars right? So in turn there will be a ton of them eventually. Give it another year and camaro's will be in the same boat. On average I see a good 5-8 2010 Camaros a day and about 8-10 mustangs of all generations...a day. Remember you are driving a Camaro, not a Ferrari Enzo. |
Originally Posted by CamaroZ282008
(Post 6384665)
You sure do talk like nothings better then a Camaro. Specifically the 2010 that's black that gets plenty of stares by car guys who happen to drive a mustang :rolleyes: What's your point? The 2010 Camaro is a great looking car and people will stare at it...get over it. Who cares if people come by the drowns to stare at your "black beauty" pulling out of your garage. I get people everyday complementing me on my 16 year old Mustang sitting in the parking lot. You seem to be a hater of the very car that got the wheels turning for the original camaros production in the first place. Haters will always hate.
Someone who can appreciate both cars with an unbiased point of view are the types of people who are true car enthusiast. As for your statement about the mustangs being as common as corollas it's so very true who would of thought. I wonder why? Well both the Mustang and Camaro are relatively affordable mass produced cars right? So in turn there will be a ton of them eventually. Give it another year and camaro's will be in the same boat. On average I see a good 5-8 2010 Camaros a day and about 8-10 mustangs of all generations...a day. Remember you are driving a Camaro, not a Ferrari Enzo. |
Originally Posted by HuJass
(Post 6384733)
What's wrong with a Camaro owner being a happy Camaro owner on a Camaro board?
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Originally Posted by CamaroZ282008
(Post 6384665)
Haters will always hate.
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you know why i dont believe anything i hear from some of these magazines? becasue froom what i have heard from people who have actually drove the new mustangs.......they said their terrable. not nearly as good of a ride and handling as the camaro.
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Originally Posted by CamaroZ282008
(Post 6385094)
Absolutely nothing. What's wrong is a camaro owner bashing the competitor and talking the 2010 camaro up like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
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Read the dozens of positive reviews....should I list them?? Motor Trend comes out against car and the whole site needs to believe the mag jockeys from MT.....drive one sir... on a regular basis...day in and day out....world class in 95% of its components. The interior is great, visibility is a NON issue if you own one and yeah...shes a bit heavy(pays BIG dividends when the roads are rough or do you spend your life on smooth interstates?....so what??...most stang owners with their heavy GF's riding along will get to 60MPH at same time as me solo.
Yeah...I am on a CAMARO site and I LOVE my SS.....Like the gentleman said ...what the heck is wrong with that...??? I dont see many owners piping in and saying ...gee that Mustang is sweet....We knew the Mustang would be good....We did not WANT a Mustang....Maybe you see 8-10 a day in your market but I have seen one V6 and NO V8's on the road all spring in the Greater Toronto area....so guess what...It aint NO Enzo but it's special, unique and the best looking and one of the best performing coupes of the decade IMHO. Ferraris are for guys who have to show all their friends that they made it in life. SS Camaros are for guys who love a beautiful Muscle car after all there are tons of # series around that cost more than my car... And wait till you resell that mustang....Check the black book buddy.... Lovin my SS.... |
Originally Posted by CamaroZ282008
(Post 6385094)
What's wrong is a camaro owner bashing the competitor and talking the 2010 camaro up like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Should he be bashing the Camaro? Should any of us change our feelings about the Camaro or not talk about how positively we feel about the car? And he should do all this to appease what appears to be a Mustang owner with not too many posts on this site? And remember your earlier statement? "Haters will always hate"? You do realize that you yourself are coming across as a hater, don't you? |
What amazes me is how a magazine can be in love with the car earlier in the year and now all of a sudden they piss all over it. Hell, the Challenger is the top end model at over 10K more in $$$ than the Camaro. Sure, the Mustang is a nice car, but it is not like it is going to blow the Camaro out of the water. A few tenths of a second and the car in MT had a special option rear end, which I am sure most will not order. Just wait till the Z28 and convertible come out next year. We will see MT get on their knees and BJ the Camaro once again. We love the Camaro becuase it is just that a Camaro.
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Originally Posted by CamaroRagTop
(Post 6385809)
What amazes me is how a magazine can be in love with the car earlier in the year and now all of a sudden they piss all over it.
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Originally Posted by JasonD
(Post 6385822)
That's what they do and have always done. To them, it is the flavor of the month.
Right now my opinion of the 5th gen and the potential of the 6th gen is higher than that of Motor Trend. I still enjoy the magazine and perspectives sometimes on strengths and weaknesses on performance and ergonomics. But I read it with a grain of salt when I do... |
I could careless what Motortrend has to say....
But I did take notice when Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords threw a set of MT drag radials on a stock 2011 GT and squeeked daylight under the left front tire while running 12.34...... Pretty cool what competition among brands will do! Can't wait to see what happens next! |
Originally Posted by Z28CamaroPower!
(Post 6385386)
Because you definitely can't go on a Mustang-fan site and read the same things, or a Challenger-fan site, or a sport-compact-fan site, etc, etc, etc.... :rolleyes: :think: :irk: :rolleyes:
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Future ride...Mustang GT....Current ride Mustang GT.....hmmmm...I was born at night but not born in the dark....I have never bashed the new GT....I have said they are as common as bellybuttons in Toronto...That fact stands....Yep...Its a good car and the Camaro is a bloody great piece of machinery as well with similar performance, better warranty (way better), IRS standard and way taller gear for this test ..... and the look and feel...well you know how the Camaro lover feels.......Last year the styling was "stunning" this year it's "cartoonish"...sorry but everyone who gives me a thumbs up every single day I drive my SS must read Marvel comics right?
Guess Ford must of comitted to a BIG advertizing buy from Motor Trend for 2011..... |
Originally Posted by HuJass
(Post 6385703)
What do you expect from a Camaro enthusiast on a Camaro enthusiast board?
Should he be bashing the Camaro? Should any of us change our feelings about the Camaro or not talk about how positively we feel about the car? And he should do all this to appease what appears to be a Mustang owner with not too many posts on this site? And remember your earlier statement? "Haters will always hate"? You do realize that you yourself are coming across as a hater, don't you? He shouldn't bash either car if he really likes cars and doesn't drive it to be the popular guy because of his "New" camaro with no real insight like the majority of the crew on that other camaro website. What was it camaro5 I think? :lol: Why change your feelings because of what someone else said about your car? Never said you couldn't or shouldn't talk positive about your car at all, it's yours do what you want. Who cares how many posts I do or don't have. What does it matter? As for the hater comment, I'm not hating on anyone or anything. I'm pointing out that a lot of new 2010 Camaro owners talk their car up a ton and tend to bash the competition just for the sake of bashing it and or they're clueless about what they even own. The few 2010 Camaro owners who do love what they drive and cars in general tend to respect the competitor a lot more do to the fact they actually have an idea of what their Camaro is about and not because it stared in transformers. |
Originally Posted by 426HPSS
(Post 6386492)
Future ride...Mustang GT....Current ride Mustang GT.....hmmmm...I was born at night but not born in the dark....I have never bashed the new GT....I have said they are as common as bellybuttons in Toronto...That fact stands....Yep...Its a good car and the Camaro is a bloody great piece of machinery as well with similar performance, better warranty (way better), IRS standard and way taller gear for this test ..... and the look and feel...well you know how the Camaro lover feels.......Last year the styling was "stunning" this year it's "cartoonish"...sorry but everyone who gives me a thumbs up every single day I drive my SS must read Marvel comics right?
Guess Ford must of comitted to a BIG advertizing buy from Motor Trend for 2011..... Who doesn't pay big advertising money in auto magazines? |
Originally Posted by Andy30thZ
(Post 6386314)
I could careless what Motortrend has to say....
But I did take notice when Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords threw a set of MT drag radials on a stock 2011 GT and squeeked daylight under the left front tire while running 12.34...... Pretty cool what competition among brands will do! Can't wait to see what happens next! |
Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen
(Post 6385192)
you know why i dont believe anything i hear from some of these magazines? becasue froom what i have heard from people who have actually drove the new mustangs.......they said their terrable. not nearly as good of a ride and handling as the camaro.
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Originally Posted by CamaroZ282008
(Post 6386507)
I beg to differ. Are the new Mustangs almost as terrible as your spelling?
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guess I am NO enthusiast....My 6 speed 2SS must be my Grand-ma mobile. I dont think too many people are paying attention to Camaroz282008 anymore....Lots of mustang sites for him to go drool over the new 5.0liter....Motor trend has their opinion....We have ours and we are 100,000 strong so that aint bad for a car that was dead buried and gone for 7 years...big future ahead and I am glad that some reviews prefer the Mustang...little heat under Chevy's butt is good but it is clear as day which car put the heat under Ford's butt to finally update that old Mustang....now if they could finally bring the old chassis into the new world ....
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Originally Posted by 426HPSS
(Post 6387284)
guess I am NO enthusiast....My 6 speed 2SS must be my Grand-ma mobile. I dont think too many people are paying attention to Camaroz282008 anymore....Lots of mustang sites for him to go drool over the new 5.0liter....Motor trend has their opinion....We have ours and we are 100,000 strong so that aint bad for a car that was dead buried and gone for 7 years...big future ahead and I am glad that some reviews prefer the Mustang...little heat under Chevy's butt is good but it is clear as day which car put the heat under Ford's butt to finally update that old Mustang....now if they could finally bring the old chassis into the new world ....
Word. Now we are all in sync. :yes: |
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