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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 12:53 AM
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Aerodynamics matters far more than just to top speed. It can affect performance long before top speed is reached, not to mention gas milage, wind noise, etc.

There's a reason why GM is so proud of the .36 coefficient of drag that the GMT-900 SUVs have... and no, it's not top speed.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by guionM
The 4th gen of both Camaro & Firebird had worse aerodynamics than the 3rd gens.

Hmm, I can't find a source that will verify that statement.. both 3rd and 4th gen seen to be in the .34 cd with the 4th gen's having a slightly lower frontal area than the 3rd gens....
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 03:42 AM
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The blunt nose is not the issue so much... a blunt nose (depending on the aero efficiency) can actually improve front end stability... it's more the rest of the car's body where gains in aero efficiency is achieved.

Qualifier: I'm no aero dynamicist but I'm only going by what I've read on recent designs like Cadillac's 'Art and Science' theme and how GM's designers were commenting on how they could still achieve good aero efficiency with that chiseled blunt nose.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 04:05 AM
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Ok...Here's info from the "1982 Camaro Product Specialist Manual". The Z-28 figure is also in the '82 Camaro brochure.

Cd figures:
Egg .030 (yes, this is quoted as well)
'82 Camaro Z-28 .369
'82 Camaro Coupe/Berlinetta .374
'79 Camaro sport Coupe .412
'80 Corvette .443

Target for '82 Camaro was .380
I don't know where the .32 is coming from, but it also makes me wonder about the .34 of the 4th gen.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by RussStang
My 01 GT definetly didn't have much pull to it anymore at around 130. It would have gone faster, but I am questionable as to exactly how much faster it would have gone.
The top speed of the GT and the bullit is actually about 145. Some claim 147 though.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:43 AM
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I'll be happy to lend my Fundamentals of Aerodynamics book to anybody who disagrees. Let them see just how counter-intuitive it can be.

Drag coefficient is effected by so many little things its almost impossible to estimate just by looking for anything other than VERY simple bodies like flat plates and cylinders. The Reynolds number you're operating at has a huge effect. Depending on the specific shape of the body, drag coefficient can change depending upon your velocity because it shifts to a different Reynolds number regime. Thats all not to mention vortex effects, flow separation, boundry layer separation and any number of strange and unusual aerodynamic effects that may be going on.

These are the same kind of concerns that the mustang guys had before the 05 debuted. I guess its normal
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thgen69camaro
They are that angular shape to reduce their radar signature. Wouldnt it be sweet if 5th gen reduced that radar signature when smokey was waiting for you behind his favorite tree radar in hand at the end of the month? I know its rediculous but I can dream cant I?
The angular parts reflect the radar away from the source. Thats why the signature is reduced. They are also covered with a composite skin (which the camaro will not have ) to absorb the waves. An angular chape could theoretically introduce errors into the returning wave that would make it read incorrectly.................
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SSbaby
The blunt nose is not the issue so much... a blunt nose (depending on the aero efficiency) can actually improve front end stability... it's more the rest of the car's body where gains in aero efficiency is achieved.

Qualifier: I'm no aero dynamicist but I'm only going by what I've read on recent designs like Cadillac's 'Art and Science' theme and how GM's designers were commenting on how they could still achieve good aero efficiency with that chiseled blunt nose.

People worry about the blunt nose because of the frontal area it presents. Reducing frontal area reduces drag. But there are other ways to compensate.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe K. 96 Zeee!!
Ok...Here's info from the "1982 Camaro Product Specialist Manual". The Z-28 figure is also in the '82 Camaro brochure.



I don't know where the .32 is coming from, but it also makes me wonder about the .34 of the 4th gen.

I dont see how it could be either. Starting to think its one of those myths like the 3rd gens easily out handleing the 4ths. I know they did a lot of aero work on the 4th gens to get the gas milage as high as possible.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by falchulk
People worry about the blunt nose because of the frontal area it presents. Reducing frontal area reduces drag. But there are other ways to compensate.
I thought frontal area was the "shadow" of car from straight on. In otherwords a 2D representation of the surfaces that hit the air.

If that's accurate,then sloped vs. flat nose is irrelevant to a measurement of frontal area. It would definitely factor into CD, but frontal area is only concerned with the total square feet of area that sees air hit it from straight on.

So as long as the nose isn't taller than the windshield or wider than the rest of the car its really not a factor in the measurement of frontal area.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 08:25 AM
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I have all my fun in the first 3 gears, not enough open road for anything else. Fastest I've ever gone is 125, and can't say I'd ever need more than that again.

As far as the aero, I'd gladly give up some aero for a well styled package. Look at the butt of the C5, thats what happens when aero takes higher priority than styling. They improved it greatly w/ the C6, but for me, I don't want a design dictated solely by the wind tunnel. I want as slick a car as I can get so long as it still has attractive styling. An example for me would be the 4th gen LS1 Firebirds. I thought their styling was much more interesting than the Camaros, but I think they were a notch or 2 higher in .cd.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RussStang
My 01 GT definetly didn't have much pull to it anymore at around 130. It would have gone faster, but I am questionable as to exactly how much faster it would have gone.
It was a downhill on the interstate, bigger throttle body, and i just wanted to max out the speedo, it probably wouldn't have done it on flat ground, i am just talking about the stability at that speed.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
I thought frontal area was the "shadow" of car from straight on. In otherwords a 2D representation of the surfaces that hit the air.

If that's accurate,then sloped vs. flat nose is irrelevant to a measurement of frontal area. It would definitely factor into CD, but frontal area is only concerned with the total square feet of area that sees air hit it from straight on.

So as long as the nose isn't taller than the windshield or wider than the rest of the car its really not a factor in the measurement of frontal area.
Even in terms of Cd, the shape of the front of the vehicle is nowhere near as important as the after run.

It's not really the way you hit the air, it's the way you leave it that matters.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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Btw - if you really want to go faster than 165ish mph, there are MUCH MUCH more cost-effective ways to do it.

Bias the gearing towards fuel economy/quarter mile/road course - leave the top speed contests to Corvettes and hyperbikes.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
If that's accurate,then sloped vs. flat nose is irrelevant to a measurement of frontal area. It would definitely factor into CD, but frontal area is only concerned with the total square feet of area that sees air hit it from straight on.
That was my understanding, but I don't do aero for a living or anything.

Regarding the Stealth Camaro, you need to make all the body panels out of radar absorbent material, and then use RAM paint, and then the glass would need to be tinted with gold too.



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