Interiror quality request
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Re: Interiror quality request
No, it was a bad assumption because there are people in northern states that drive RWD stuff year round because they're not scared little sheep that think FWD/AWD is a necessity in bad weather.
Or are you telling me they dont sell RWD pick-ups, any BMWs, any Mercedes, chargers, 300Cs, magnums, crown victorias,GTOs, etc, etc in your neck of the woods?
Gadget stuff like NAV, ipod hook-up, bluetooth could be huge boons to camaro because they only make that much much cooler and stylish. Being cool and stylish will sell camaro moreso than taking a couple bucks out of the sticker for the extra wiring for the people that dont want it. Of course they have to figure out a way to make it look good with and without it, but given the interior in the concept, i think they're going to screw it up regardless.
Or are you telling me they dont sell RWD pick-ups, any BMWs, any Mercedes, chargers, 300Cs, magnums, crown victorias,GTOs, etc, etc in your neck of the woods?
Gadget stuff like NAV, ipod hook-up, bluetooth could be huge boons to camaro because they only make that much much cooler and stylish. Being cool and stylish will sell camaro moreso than taking a couple bucks out of the sticker for the extra wiring for the people that dont want it. Of course they have to figure out a way to make it look good with and without it, but given the interior in the concept, i think they're going to screw it up regardless.
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Re: Interiror quality request
I drive my car all year long, through the cold weather and all of the salt and the snow. It is my only vehicle. Thankfully around here it has been a very mild winter so far, but I have had the car for several years now, and I haven't always been so lucky with mother nature.
The car needs to be able to hold together through and through, which I am sure it will. People complain about the quality of the 4th gens, but I have driven it through snow on more occasions than I can remember, and have started it up in single digit ambient air temperatures more times than I can count, and it still runs fine. The engine is pretty freaking loud when it is that cold out though, until it warms up.
The car needs to be able to hold together through and through, which I am sure it will. People complain about the quality of the 4th gens, but I have driven it through snow on more occasions than I can remember, and have started it up in single digit ambient air temperatures more times than I can count, and it still runs fine. The engine is pretty freaking loud when it is that cold out though, until it warms up.
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Re: Interiror quality request
Originally Posted by notgetleft
Gadget stuff like NAV, ipod hook-up, bluetooth could be huge boons to camaro because they only make that much much cooler and stylish. Being cool and stylish will sell camaro moreso than taking a couple bucks out of the sticker for the extra wiring for the people that dont want it. Of course they have to figure out a way to make it look good with and without it, but given the interior in the concept, i think they're going to screw it up regardless.
I did many road trips in my 1999 Camaro. I bought a portable Navigation a couple of yrs ago and every time I go the navigation is with me. Even when I go biking on trails, I take it with me in my PT Cruiser(no hitch on Camaro). That way I can figure out where I was riding in relation to the streets, so in the future I can park somewhere else and start off there. When my gf and I go out to events or dinners, I just punch it in and we are off. No pulling over to turn on the lamps and fumble over a map looking like tourists akin to get mugged. I go out cruising with it on and get a good idea of where I am and learning new directions.
Another reason for a Navigation option is that it would free up the cig outlets for the phone charger and radar detector
I also have an iPod and I have one of those charger/broadcasters and it seems to have lost a quarter of it's volume when broadcasting and the lows, mids, and highs are not the same. Therefor a jack for it built in from the factory would be highly welcomed!!
See, NOT-GET-LEFT is right about the whole gadget thing. Not only is it neat and trendy with a
-factor, it is also very convenient and useful.I expect the Camaro to have the jack for the iPod, since most of their new offerings are coming out with it, even the Lucerne. As for the navigation, I think it's more of a wishful thinking at this point for me.
Last edited by F1GT; Jan 30, 2006 at 01:03 AM.
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Re: Interiror quality request
Originally Posted by notgetleft
No, it was a bad assumption because there are people in northern states that drive RWD stuff year round because they're not scared little sheep that think FWD/AWD is a necessity in bad weather.
Or are you telling me they dont sell RWD pick-ups, any BMWs, any Mercedes, chargers, 300Cs, magnums, crown victorias,GTOs, etc, etc in your neck of the woods?
Gadget stuff like NAV, ipod hook-up, bluetooth could be huge boons to camaro because they only make that much much cooler and stylish. Being cool and stylish will sell camaro moreso than taking a couple bucks out of the sticker for the extra wiring for the people that dont want it. Of course they have to figure out a way to make it look good with and without it, but given the interior in the concept, i think they're going to screw it up regardless.
Or are you telling me they dont sell RWD pick-ups, any BMWs, any Mercedes, chargers, 300Cs, magnums, crown victorias,GTOs, etc, etc in your neck of the woods?
Gadget stuff like NAV, ipod hook-up, bluetooth could be huge boons to camaro because they only make that much much cooler and stylish. Being cool and stylish will sell camaro moreso than taking a couple bucks out of the sticker for the extra wiring for the people that dont want it. Of course they have to figure out a way to make it look good with and without it, but given the interior in the concept, i think they're going to screw it up regardless.
I wasn't "assuming" - it's a fact that there are a lot of people that do not drive their Camaros every day. There are also a lot that do. I'm just saying, if someone bought a Pontiac Vibe, if would be safer to assume that they would be driving that every day. People aren't going to store their Vibes or use them as weekend warrior machines. There is that possibility with Camaros.
Anyways, point is, I never said any of that was pointless or would not help sales - all I said was it isn't necessary for the average Camaro owner. Just because there are people that drive rear wheel all year round doesn't nmean navigation is necessary either. All of these options will obviously help sales - but the core group of consumers could live without it. That's the only reason I said any of that, and started it by saying I wouldn't expect to see sat. nav. because especially based on the concepts interior, which yes, I know will change, I don't see the simple retro-like styling booming into a satellite-navigation-controlled-bluetooth-i.pod. These features will certainly make the car more functionable, but in the end may hurt overall style due to as you said, that line of including/excluding certain options.
Last edited by fredmr39; Jan 30, 2006 at 02:59 AM.
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Re: Interiror quality request
Originally Posted by notgetleft
No, it was a bad assumption because there are people in northern states that drive RWD stuff year round because they're not scared little sheep that think FWD/AWD is a necessity in bad weather
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Re: Interiror quality request
Originally Posted by notgetleft
No, it was a bad assumption because there are people in northern states that drive RWD stuff year round because they're not scared little sheep that think FWD/AWD is a necessity in bad weather.
Better? Damn straight.
If you question that, feel free to come on up to my neck of the woods in any RWD car of your choosing and I'll put your rear end in a ditch inside of 15 minutes.
ANYONE who claims that RWD+TCS+ABS is as capable in snow or on ice as FWD+TCS+ABS is an idiot.
Is FWD appropriate for a Camaro? No. But for an appliance, it can't be beat.
Better packaging, more interior room, lower weight, smaller size, better low-traction control, better fuel economy.
An argument with a whole lot of merit can be made that FWD also results in better crash performance.
Originally Posted by notgetleft
Or are you telling me they dont sell RWD pick-ups, any BMWs, any Mercedes, chargers, 300Cs, magnums, crown victorias,GTOs, etc, etc in your neck of the woods?
In Michigan, Camaros will continue to be viewed as second cars, and not primary transportation. In other states, like Virginia, where the weather is much less treacherous you can get away with a single car to do all jobs. Up here, you can do the same thing... but it isn't the smartest thing anyone ever did.
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Re: Interiror quality request
Originally Posted by 5thgen69camaro
Yeah my 98 stupid seatbelt thing that keeps the buckle from dropping to the floor broke too. You have to dige around between the seat and the rocker to find that buckle...
You know, that part is available at any Chevrolet parts counter for a few bucks and takes only a few minutes to replace.
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Re: Interiror quality request
Originally Posted by PacerX
Necessity? No.
Better? Damn straight.
If you question that, feel free to come on up to my neck of the woods in any RWD car of your choosing and I'll put your rear end in a ditch inside of 15 minutes.
ANYONE who claims that RWD+TCS+ABS is as capable in snow or on ice as FWD+TCS+ABS is an idiot.
Is FWD appropriate for a Camaro? No. But for an appliance, it can't be beat.
Better packaging, more interior room, lower weight, smaller size, better low-traction control, better fuel economy.
An argument with a whole lot of merit can be made that FWD also results in better crash performance.
I'll tell you point blank that in my neck of the woods, AWD/FWD is a significant selling point.
In Michigan, Camaros will continue to be viewed as second cars, and not primary transportation. In other states, like Virginia, where the weather is much less treacherous you can get away with a single car to do all jobs. Up here, you can do the same thing... but it isn't the smartest thing anyone ever did.
Better? Damn straight.
If you question that, feel free to come on up to my neck of the woods in any RWD car of your choosing and I'll put your rear end in a ditch inside of 15 minutes.
ANYONE who claims that RWD+TCS+ABS is as capable in snow or on ice as FWD+TCS+ABS is an idiot.
Is FWD appropriate for a Camaro? No. But for an appliance, it can't be beat.
Better packaging, more interior room, lower weight, smaller size, better low-traction control, better fuel economy.
An argument with a whole lot of merit can be made that FWD also results in better crash performance.
I'll tell you point blank that in my neck of the woods, AWD/FWD is a significant selling point.
In Michigan, Camaros will continue to be viewed as second cars, and not primary transportation. In other states, like Virginia, where the weather is much less treacherous you can get away with a single car to do all jobs. Up here, you can do the same thing... but it isn't the smartest thing anyone ever did.
Originally Posted by HTWLSS
You know, that part is available at any Chevrolet parts counter for a few bucks and takes only a few minutes to replace.
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Re: Interiror quality request
Originally Posted by PacerX
Necessity? No.
Better? Damn straight.
If you question that, feel free to come on up to my neck of the woods in any RWD car of your choosing and I'll put your rear end in a ditch inside of 15 minutes.
ANYONE who claims that RWD+TCS+ABS is as capable in snow or on ice as FWD+TCS+ABS is an idiot.
Is FWD appropriate for a Camaro? No. But for an appliance, it can't be beat.
Better packaging, more interior room, lower weight, smaller size, better low-traction control, better fuel economy.
An argument with a whole lot of merit can be made that FWD also results in better crash performance.
I'll tell you point blank that in my neck of the woods, AWD/FWD is a significant selling point.
Better? Damn straight.
If you question that, feel free to come on up to my neck of the woods in any RWD car of your choosing and I'll put your rear end in a ditch inside of 15 minutes.
ANYONE who claims that RWD+TCS+ABS is as capable in snow or on ice as FWD+TCS+ABS is an idiot.
Is FWD appropriate for a Camaro? No. But for an appliance, it can't be beat.
Better packaging, more interior room, lower weight, smaller size, better low-traction control, better fuel economy.
An argument with a whole lot of merit can be made that FWD also results in better crash performance.
I'll tell you point blank that in my neck of the woods, AWD/FWD is a significant selling point.
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Re: Interiror quality request
My mom is 47 and is one of those people who is 'scared' of driving in a sense.
She drives a 2001 Z/28 camaro as her daily driver. She drives it every day to work and back. In Edmonton we get some pretty bad weather and what not. All she has to do is fill up her trunk with some sandbags, and put on a good pair of winter tires, and she gets around just fine.
She drives a 2001 Z/28 camaro as her daily driver. She drives it every day to work and back. In Edmonton we get some pretty bad weather and what not. All she has to do is fill up her trunk with some sandbags, and put on a good pair of winter tires, and she gets around just fine.
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Re: Interiror quality request
My mom is 47 and is one of those people who is 'scared' of driving in a sense.
She drives a 2001 Z/28 camaro as her daily driver. She drives it every day to work and back. In Edmonton we get some pretty bad weather and what not. All she has to do is fill up her trunk with some sandbags, and put on a good pair of winter tires, and she gets around just fine.
She drives a 2001 Z/28 camaro as her daily driver. She drives it every day to work and back. In Edmonton we get some pretty bad weather and what not. All she has to do is fill up her trunk with some sandbags, and put on a good pair of winter tires, and she gets around just fine.
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Re: Interiror quality request
Originally Posted by 5thgen69camaro
I go through gmpartsdirect.com as they seem to be the cheapest. I might order it before I sell the car.
The shipping will cost more than the part through them. I don't think you'll pay the extreme shipping charge if you go through a local dealer. Seriously, I think it was under $4 for the part and it was here in a day or two from the dealer. Just have them hold it in will call for you.
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Re: Interiror quality request
Originally Posted by RoMaD
After going to NAIAS 2006 in Detroit, I have some new opinions of GM cars and their interiors, not all of them good. I was disappointed when I sat in a Cobalt SS. It's interior has that hard plastic we hate so much in good supply. The entire dash pad, the door handles and most of the front of the dash is done in this hard as a rock plastic. It doesn't feel good and it doesn't look good. Also, the buttons and ***** in the car (mostly the HVAC), felt like they belonged on a Fisher-Price toy. They felt cheap and flimsy. I had thought GM was getting away from that.
I had a similar exprience when sitting in both the GMC Canyon and the Chevy Colorado. These were 2006 models and I have to tell you I was not impressed. Again, the interior made liberal use of that hard as rock plastic all over the dash and again (why???) on the door handles. The most glaring things on these though were how they covered the passenger air bag. It looks like a (again) hard plastic flap that doesn't quite fit the area it covers. Where it meets the top of the dash is a noticeable flap that you can see and feel. It does not look good.
Now, I dismissed the trucks as being, well, trucks, until I road home in my brother's 2001 S10. It made my brother's S10 seem like a Cadillac. The dash in his 2001 S10 has the softer feel vinyl/plastic with some give to it. So does the door handles and pretty much every thing else interior-wise.
Moral of the story, I hope GM is looking long and hard at these cars and seeing where they can make improvements. What worries me is that these were 2006 vehicles and by that I mean, it seems GM is saying "hey, this is good enough" for low-20's vehicles. It's a little unsettling. I had thought we were passed this, yet here it is 2006 and the interiors are not better, at least in these lower-end models. And which models sell the most? Yeah, not good.
I had a similar exprience when sitting in both the GMC Canyon and the Chevy Colorado. These were 2006 models and I have to tell you I was not impressed. Again, the interior made liberal use of that hard as rock plastic all over the dash and again (why???) on the door handles. The most glaring things on these though were how they covered the passenger air bag. It looks like a (again) hard plastic flap that doesn't quite fit the area it covers. Where it meets the top of the dash is a noticeable flap that you can see and feel. It does not look good.
Now, I dismissed the trucks as being, well, trucks, until I road home in my brother's 2001 S10. It made my brother's S10 seem like a Cadillac. The dash in his 2001 S10 has the softer feel vinyl/plastic with some give to it. So does the door handles and pretty much every thing else interior-wise.
Moral of the story, I hope GM is looking long and hard at these cars and seeing where they can make improvements. What worries me is that these were 2006 vehicles and by that I mean, it seems GM is saying "hey, this is good enough" for low-20's vehicles. It's a little unsettling. I had thought we were passed this, yet here it is 2006 and the interiors are not better, at least in these lower-end models. And which models sell the most? Yeah, not good.
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