Infuriating Dealer Experience
Are you serious? Because comparing 9 months to 12 months of production is pretty meaningless. Camaro has outsold Mustang 7 months in a row.
There is a whole conversation over there and I didn't want to thread creep. Hopefully the dealers that continue to have outrageous markups and screw around prospective customers through not letting test drives got the letter.
Brandan-
I've tough about it since I did it via Chevrolet.com and it would directly affect GM internet business practices.
I just do not know who to contact or if they can do anything about it. I remember the dealership having a proud banner saying GM kept them back when dealerships were being closed, also part of the reason I started with them since I figured they may be good. I guess some bad ones got in there too.
I just do not know who to contact or if they can do anything about it. I remember the dealership having a proud banner saying GM kept them back when dealerships were being closed, also part of the reason I started with them since I figured they may be good. I guess some bad ones got in there too.
Im not sure but my guess would be, once youve found the dealer you were looking for you probably clicked on that dealers site, no longer GM. The reason they can refuse test drives is the demand.
If its really under your skin just tell everyone you know about that dealer. people can decide for themselves. Find a dealer that will deal with you and contact GM and mention your experience. chances are they cant do anything directly but all things being equal when it comes time to tighten the belt down the road, I would probably cut loose the dealer that had a worse customer interface.
Yeah, I am considering Porsche, BMW, Jaguar and Infiniti. I believe that Chevrolet has closed the gap between quality and peformance and that cross shopping with those brands is not out of the ordinary. The Camaro team has done a great job.
With regards to demo cars, I did not drive demo cars in the previosly stated places, I drove a similar car to what I was considering.
I do understand that the dealership wants to keep the miles low in the car, but when I submitted my request to test drive the vehicle from the chevrolet website, I tough that it was clear that I was a true shopper. If a shopper comes and drives a camaro in a small loop, he will probably add one mile to the car, if one shopper comes every day of the year, he will add 365 miles, which is still relatively low for a new car.
At the end of the day, when you are buying for anything, let's say jeans, you look at them, try them on, and if they fit, you buy them. Why is it that when buying a 38,000 dollar car it is not even allowed to try it on and take it for a spin.
With regards to demo cars, I did not drive demo cars in the previosly stated places, I drove a similar car to what I was considering.
I do understand that the dealership wants to keep the miles low in the car, but when I submitted my request to test drive the vehicle from the chevrolet website, I tough that it was clear that I was a true shopper. If a shopper comes and drives a camaro in a small loop, he will probably add one mile to the car, if one shopper comes every day of the year, he will add 365 miles, which is still relatively low for a new car.
At the end of the day, when you are buying for anything, let's say jeans, you look at them, try them on, and if they fit, you buy them. Why is it that when buying a 38,000 dollar car it is not even allowed to try it on and take it for a spin.
and back to the test drive thing...... I didnt drive a camaro ss when i placed my order. i hadnt even sat in one. i saw one in person and that was it. i didnt even know what the interior would look like when i placed the order. but guess what, i still love this car. i love it more than some cars i have test drove and bought.
do you know how many times i have acted interested in a car just to drive it???? way too many. i had no interest in buying the car, i would just go around to dealerships and try to test drive some of their most expensive cars. and they let me! some didnt. but that was my idea of fun in the summertime when i was younger. my camaro had 16 miles on it when i got it. thats a NEW car.
and back to the test drive thing...... I didnt drive a camaro ss when i placed my order. i hadnt even sat in one. i saw one in person and that was it. i didnt even know what the interior would look like when i placed the order. but guess what, i still love this car. i love it more than some cars i have test drove and bought.
and back to the test drive thing...... I didnt drive a camaro ss when i placed my order. i hadnt even sat in one. i saw one in person and that was it. i didnt even know what the interior would look like when i placed the order. but guess what, i still love this car. i love it more than some cars i have test drove and bought.
I am glad that you found your perfect car, but in my case I need to drive the car and I believe others people do too; and at the end of the day, the dealership failed to provide that option. Is it GM fault? No. Is it the employee that I talked to? For all I know he is just following the dealership policies. Is it the dealership? Yes. They need a better way to distinguish real customers from people who just want a free ride and what better way to do that than using Chevrolet.com. Would that prevent from people getting joy rides? Probably not 100%, but it would at least give us the real customers an ability to test drive the car.
you have a porsche and jag on your list with the camaro?
i bought my car and didnt test drive it. i didnt even know exactly how it looked before i bought it. just one of those things. people still think the car is so new and rare that they arent letting people test drive them. my dealership was the same way when they first got their cars on the lot. some places let you and some dont. because if you didnt buy that car after driving it, and they let everyone and their mother test drive it, who wants to buy a new camaro that has hundreds of test drive miles on it? just because someone wanted to see how it drive? not knowing if they are serious to buy or not. i totally understand dealerships doing this.
i bought my car and didnt test drive it. i didnt even know exactly how it looked before i bought it. just one of those things. people still think the car is so new and rare that they arent letting people test drive them. my dealership was the same way when they first got their cars on the lot. some places let you and some dont. because if you didnt buy that car after driving it, and they let everyone and their mother test drive it, who wants to buy a new camaro that has hundreds of test drive miles on it? just because someone wanted to see how it drive? not knowing if they are serious to buy or not. i totally understand dealerships doing this.
Any dealer that doesn't want to let a customer test drive a car doesn't deserve to be in business.
I encountered a**holes like that when I was looking to buy a GTO. I was by no bounds of the imagination the only one, either. Pontiac's general manager heard tons of complaints about dealers actions regarding the GTO, and realizewd how many sales they were losing. Their reaction? Put rebates on it and include it in GM's sales event that August & September. That move alone sent GTO sales from less than a thousand a month to over 2,000.
In my personal opinion, any dealer like that should have their franchise snatched by GM. Then if they want to fight it, let it go to abitration and they can explain their action and how it "helps" GM's recovery.
I have no sympathy for dealerships like that.
RAR could potentially be in a Camaro this very moment if the dealer had provided him with a test drive.
Now, imagine places like Serremonte California where the Chevrolet dealer is virturally right across the street from a Ford dealer and a Toyota dealer, and we're talking about a customer who's ready to buy a new car with cash in hand or a preapproved loan who originally wanted a Mustang or was impressed by a G37 coupe, but was drawn to the Camaro's looks (a scenario that actually DOES drive Camaro's sales outside enthusiasts). He isn't going to go to a Camaro site for advice, or go to the other side of town or another county to find a dealer that he can test drive a car before he throws down his $35,000.
He's going across the street, and give them a chance.
I shouldn't have to beg people for the privilege of letting them take my money, especially when we're talking $30,000+ of it. There's too many good cars out there.
If I absolutely HAVE to have a particular car, then sure. Maybe. But right now, there are no bad sporty coupes on the market, and each one has more advantages than disadvantages.
When I get ready to get a new car, I do have a good Chevrolet dealer not far away. If I didn't, then it would be up to the Ford dealer to lose my sale.
FWIW:
The Serremonte Pontiac dealership was shut down. It scalped both the GTO and the G8, even after the G8 was over 6 months old. IMO, serves them right.
so go to another dealership. its that simple. if they wont let you drive it, go somewhere else. even if you live in the sticks, im sure there is another dealership within and hours drive.
Now, imagine places like Serremonte California where the Chevrolet dealer is virturally right across the street from a Ford dealer and a Toyota dealer, and we're talking about a customer who's ready to buy a new car with cash in hand or a preapproved loan who originally wanted a Mustang or was impressed by a G37 coupe, but was drawn to the Camaro's looks (a scenario that actually DOES drive Camaro's sales outside enthusiasts). He isn't going to go to a Camaro site for advice, or go to the other side of town or another county to find a dealer that he can test drive a car before he throws down his $35,000.
The sad thing is that we lost the Camaro in 2002 and now it is back. It is exciting! However the bad dealerships will prevent people of owning one.
But at least he did not say "... you cannot drive it, it is our policy, you wont find another vehicle like it in the state, but you can order one, but it is 10k markup, it is also our policy, we are the lowest markup in the state ...", lol.
It's better to laugh at the idiocy of the whole situation. I filed an official complain, hope they change their ways.
There's no way on God's green earth that I'm going to buy a car without driving it first (ie...same model, similar options, etc). There are those that don't care, so long is at says "Camaro" or "Mustang" or "Challenger" or "[insert car here]", and that's fine. It's just not something I would do, and I'm pretty sure there are quite a few others that hold similar opinions.
Good luck RAR, with whatever car you end up with.
Good luck RAR, with whatever car you end up with.
There is no way I'd take an hour drive just to test drive a vehicle if there is a Ford dealer eager to toss me the keys to a Mustang to take around the block, an Infiniti dealer who has no problem taking me for a spin, a Chrysler dealer eager to show me a Challenger, and a Hyundai dealer that's proud to show off to me a Genesis coupe.
I shouldn't have to beg people for the privilege of letting them take my money, especially when we're talking $30,000+ of it. There's too many good cars out there.
If I absolutely HAVE to have a particular car, then sure. Maybe. But right now, there are no bad sporty coupes on the market, and each one has more advantages than disadvantages.
When I get ready to get a new car, I do have a good Chevrolet dealer not far away. If I didn't, then it would be up to the Ford dealer to lose my sale.
FWIW:
The Serremonte Pontiac dealership was shut down. It scalped both the GTO and the G8, even after the G8 was over 6 months old. IMO, serves them right.
I shouldn't have to beg people for the privilege of letting them take my money, especially when we're talking $30,000+ of it. There's too many good cars out there.
If I absolutely HAVE to have a particular car, then sure. Maybe. But right now, there are no bad sporty coupes on the market, and each one has more advantages than disadvantages.
When I get ready to get a new car, I do have a good Chevrolet dealer not far away. If I didn't, then it would be up to the Ford dealer to lose my sale.
FWIW:
The Serremonte Pontiac dealership was shut down. It scalped both the GTO and the G8, even after the G8 was over 6 months old. IMO, serves them right.
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