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Old 08-13-2006, 10:53 AM
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Re: First quarter of 2009 is too far away. GM blew it's chance

Originally Posted by Good Ph.D
I also believe that was a conservative estimate. However, Im sure that it doesen't say, "first quarter of 2009 although we'll probably be done before that" for you or anyone else to "read"

lol, it sad. I just had this arguement about the new silverados over on that board, and BAM they get early release

GM is not going to hold there ace's, with 10billion in loss's last fiscal, they need to make a comeback and in a big way. First Year Camaros will be hotter then the surface of the sun, but will they be as hot sitting next to a redesigned Mustang? No. GM isnt ignorant to Fords production schedule, they will squeek the Camaro out before the mustang, and if that means Late 2008, well then get your check book ready.
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Re: First quarter of 2009 is too far away. GM blew it's chance

So then you admit that this is based on what you believe and based on nothing outside of conjecture.

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Learn to read, the Camaro will be launched in 2008 as a 2009 model.
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So then you admit that this is based on what you believe and based on nothing outside of conjecture.
Well i guess if we toss common sense aside, and think GM is just going to hold thousands of camaros on site until 2009, instead of selling them a starving demographic, then yes its what i "Beleive".
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And more importantly Ford will have it's brand new Mustang (which according to rumor looks just like the Camaro) in showrooms.
this was news to me and prompted me to do some searching...

for those that havent seen or heard of it (like me):


Originally Posted by http://www.mustangforums.com/ford/2009-mustang/


While the Ford Mustang is one of the best selling, and longest running model lines in the history of the automobile, when the Ford Motor Co. introduced its 2005 Ford Mustang at the North American International Auto Show, it got as much, if not more, media attention than did the original. The 2005 Mustang (S197) was fully redesigned over the previous models (New Edge) from the suspension, to the interior, to the new 3-valve engine in the GT models. Even though there was no "Cobra", or high performance model, pony car enthusiasts new and old were quick to ****** up these redesigned, retro-looking Mustangs. While boasting better performance numbers than the early era Mustang GTs, the 2005 Mustang bore a strong resemblance to a 1965 mustang with some rounding here and there for improved aerodynamics. Sales numbers rolled in, and Ford had done exactly what it had hoped to do, and that was to introduce the retro look to the performance car enthusiast market, and the car was a tremendous success. But when the retro look proved to be so popular, it was only a matter of time before the other members of the "Big Three" got in on the action.

General Motors had been under public scrutiny over the cancellation of the Camaro and Firebird for several years, and during that entire time rumors had been flying about a 'new, redesigned, retro-style Camaro', and Dodge enthusiasts had been demanding a reasonably priced rear wheel drive V8 powered car for decades. The 2006 North American International Auto Show brought us the answer from both Dodge and GM to the retro-styled Mustang, as Dodge introduced their 2008 Dodge Challenger Concept, and GM introduced the Chevrolet Camaro Concept, and with these cars (with the Challenger being a great deal more "retro" than the Camaro, it brought more attention from the public) the new Retro Pony car race was alive and well. The pressure was put upon Ford to "one-up" the other American combatants once again, and with a recently released artists rendering of the "next Mustang", planned to be released around 2009, it appears that they may have indeed outdone GM and Dodge once again.

While the artists rendering may be just that, for now, it gives Mustang enthusiasts a look into what is in store for this historic pony car. Since the initial excitement over the 2005 model Mustang died down a bit, the biggest news, and discussion point, has been the long awaited high performance model, which like the high performance models of the 1st generation, it will carry the Shelby name, with the legendary "GT500" designation. The new GT500 will have a ground pounding supercharged power plant and offers some subtle changes from the base model and GT Mustangs. These subtle changes are some of the items which we see on the rendering of the 2009 Mustang. The 2009 Mustang is expected to remain very similar to the 2005 model, but like the slight evolution of the 1st generation Mustang into the 2nd generation, the 2009 model will have additions to help it stand apart from the 2005 models. For one, the headlights may all have the sloping bezels found on the GT500 as well as the duel front mounted hood scoops. The car will maintain the basic lines of the S197 models, but will have a smoothed effect to further bolster aerodynamics, and in the artists rendering the trend of huge rims are added, although in my opinion it is clearly exaggerated, but with the frequent steady increase in rim size across the market, bigger rims and tires are likely to make an appearance as an option if not standard. In short, we are looking at a smoother, more-sleek version of the S197.
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Re: First quarter of 2009 is too far away. GM blew it's chance

Originally Posted by 5thgen69camaro
...If Mustang redesigns Camaro concept style and beats Camaro to market with it, wont it look like Camaro copied the Mustang?...
No.
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Re: First quarter of 2009 is too far away. GM blew it's chance

Originally Posted by FutureZMan
Well i guess if we toss common sense aside, and think GM is just going to hold thousands of camaros on site until 2009, instead of selling them a starving demographic, then yes its what i "Beleive".
The point is you're telling a noob to "Learn to read" something that isnt there for him to read. Unless you're talking about reading your post, which, despite your conjecture, is probably worth less than an official GM press release.

Additionally, even if you're right and the car is released in late 2008 as a 2009considering some 2008 models will be available in early 07 thats still not going to assuage anyone's fears of GM missing the boat, however irrational they may be.



This drawing was released with the 2005 Mustang Concept. It is two years old and not the 2009 Mustang.



I suppose its possible Ford intends to reinject the Mustang with some of the appeal this and the concept had but even if that were the case, I doubt a forum that makes such obvious misnomers would have the monopoly on that information.

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Re: First quarter of 2009 is too far away. GM blew it's chance

The thing with the Mustang is that it is just a redesigned of a redesigned of a redesigned.

The Camaro is new.
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Wow. Your thoughts are too deep for me.
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Re: First quarter of 2009 is too far away. GM blew it's chance

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This drawing was released with the 2005 Mustang Concept. It is two years old and not the 2009 Mustang.
you are probably right, but don't look at me, i got that link from a mustang forum..
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Re: First quarter of 2009 is too far away. GM blew it's chance

The Mustang redesign will be delayed until 2010, according to AutoNews.com.

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../60731029/1111

From the story:

"Ford Mustang; Lincoln, Mercury coupes

The Ford Mustang will be restyled for the 2010 model year, one year later than previously planned.

The Mustang is likely to get a bigger engine developed under the Hurricane program. The main Hurricane engine is expected to have a 6.2-liter displacement, but a 5.8-liter is also possible. Ford could revive the Boss name to brand the engines.

Ford has pledged to keep the Mustang nameplate fresh by doing special versions each model year. The 2007 model year marks the debut of the Shelby GT500 coupe and convertible, powered by a 500-hp, 5.4-liter V-8. Production will be limited to about 9,000 units.

Designers have worked on a Lincoln coupe based on the Mustang platform. Planners also have considered a Mercury version of the Mustang. But it is unclear whether either vehicle will make it into the product plan."
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The 2007 model year marks the debut of the Shelby GT500 coupe and convertible, powered by a 500-hp, 5.4-liter V-8. Production will be limited to about 9,000 units.
I should quote this every time someone says that no one wants or will buy a $40,000 pony car.
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Re: First quarter of 2009 is too far away. GM blew it's chance

We all know GM has been busting their *** to get new product out sooner. The Solstice/Sky, the SSR, the SUVs, and now the Trucks. I have every right to believe they will be out in 08.
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Re: First quarter of 2009 is too far away. GM blew it's chance

Originally Posted by Z284ever
Actually 2003 would have been ideal. Well, maybe even more like 1997.

Since roughly the late '80's, GM has bullsh!tted around, dragged it's feet, been non committal and basically wasted alot of time regarding a new Camaro.

Although, it'd been great if a new Camaro could get here sooner and GM has definitely let too much time slip away.
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I can wait another 25 or 26 months
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Re: First quarter of 2009 is too far away. GM blew it's chance

Also, don't forget that people have already seen the camaro's concept. They will be seeing it again next summer being featured in the new Transformers Movie as one of the characters goes from a late 70's model to the new one. There will also most likely be a Transformer toy released of the new Camaro. Summer movies always generate hype and hopefully this will be no different. When it was 1st revealed that the New Camaro would be in the movie the Transformers Forums I frequent were all talking about it.

The point is, the image of the new Camaro is already going to be public before it hits show rooms. I am sure GM plans other types of advertisment as well. Hopefully all the publicity before hand will combat the "clone" image of the redesigned mustang if they happen to come out at the same time.
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