I agree 100% windows is closed

 

Question - and for those that would like to respond, please be honest: If in 2002 you were told that you would have to "Keep the Faith" for 7 model years, how many of you would have balked at that? What, at that time, would your response have been?

Bob

 

Bob, I don't know. But there were a LOT of bitter people here when the F-body was axed. It could have been ugly. Still, a lot of folks are GM faithful to the bone, and they'd wait 14 years if that's what it took.

Me? In all honesty, I would have balked. But I am glad, even if it has taken longer than any of us wanted, we are getting a new Camaro.

 

I'm sooooo mad. Who is GM trying to trick by saying they are trying to get it out as soon as possible? They had since 2002 to do all of this. In three years they might as well cancel the damn thing. Four years have passed and all they give us is wait three more???? DId they really need to see the mustang completely kick as is everything to decide to throw together a last minute concept. GM is a joke. At least dodge has it together. Forget 09 i'm going to buy me a stang or maybe a challenger next year.

 

I wouldnt have balked at that. It would have been nice to know something. but what does that have to do with Ford taking GM's design and trying to beat GM to market with it and then having the public perception Ford originated the idea when they didnt?

 

Huh? Uh, nothing. And?

BTW, is this is reference to the original post that said "And more importantly Ford will have it's brand new Mustang (which according to rumor looks just like the Camaro) in showrooms"?

Drink some more of the Kool-aid shipmate. Bet it tastes good.

Bob

 

Have any of you guys ever heard of 1967???

 

Learn to read, the Camaro will be launched in 2008 as a 2009 model.

 

You are aware that Mustang is by definition in direct competition with Camaro right? When its released is irrelevant, as long as there is a Mustang and a Camaro on respective dealer lots they are in competition.

You are also aware that Camaro, is and was created to be a clone of Mustang? Perhaps a better clone, but a clone none the less. Mustang had between 1964 and 1968 to establish dominance, that didnt stop Camaro or any of the other followers from whittling away its market.

Im still confused as to why people think Mustang is going to obliterate Camaro when the two have co-existed for 35 years already.

Its not a secret that cars borrow from each other, the fact that Viper "borrowed" a whole lot from Corvette doesen't make anyone buying one think, "Fiddlesticks... I really should buy a Corvette since this is just a copy."

Lets get real. Yes, there is some danger of market saturation but these are the conditions Camaro has always existed in. Thats not what killed it last time, and it wont kill it this time.

If the 3rd and 4th gen Camaros competed with Firebird, Mustang, Thunderbird, Cougar, Stealth, Avenger, Supra, 240SX, 300ZX, and everything else why would a newer, better, more powerful Camaro be killed by Mustang and Challenger?

 

Uh Oh!

 

Now that the GMT-900s are rolling out, do you think GM is focusing most of its attention on the RWD programs like it did with the trucks?

 

you lost me. Thats what I was refering to. If Mustang redesigns Camaro concept style and beats Camaro to market with it, wont it look like Camaro copied the Mustang? Thats alot different than just waiting 7 years to have the Camaro concept style compete with a retro car. Id still by the Camaro.

I dont understand the cool aid coment. didnt mean to **** ya off...

 

I haven't been on this forum very long at all, but I was happy to sit back and read posts and comments with the hopes that we would be getting a new Camaro in the future. When everyone was saying 2010, there were a few negatives, but nothing like I am seeing from most now. It's coming out a year or more earlier and most of you are not happy with that. This is the main reason I usually just look at these sites and don't comment. It does no good. It seems that a lot of people are not happy unless they are complaining or telling someone else they are wrong. Scott has told you all that they are starting new and that will take time. Yeah, the concept come out 8 months ago.........less really, and now we have been told GM will build the Camaros......the 2007 Chevys are on the lots. How many of you could start fresh today and get 100,000 cars heading to the dealers in less than 2 years.....Dodge is only making 30,000 at best Challengers per year and no manuals. All autos. Most of us that rebuild (1) car take twice as long as Chevrolet is taking to start a brand new fleet of cars. Personally, I don't want them to rush this car back to the lots just to sell them. Get it right to start with GM and make us prowd to drive those cars. You have to remember also, that even though the Concept was a runner, none of the gauges, radio, etc, were functional on this car. And as much as I would like to see the engine bay look like the Concept, I don't think it will. The Challengers and Mustangs are all based on existing frames and systems already in production. Yeah, the Mustang will get a facelift, but it will be like putting a new dress on an old body.

One last thing and my rant for the day is over. Yes, I have already placed my deposit to hold my name at the top of the list for one of the first 2009 Camaros, but I did that so that I could spec it the way I wanted. I plan to keep this car alongside my 1968 for a very long time and if I am going to spend the money, it's going to be what I want in every way that I can make it.

So, if the Camaro fails, as many of you are suggesting purely based on the timeframe, it won't be GMs, or Chevrolets, or Bush's fault. It will be the fans that fail it. So, go by your Mustangs and Challengers, and Toyotas.........that will just leave more for the true loyalists and supporters of one of the most iconic cars ever produced.

 

You will see camaros on the streets at the end of 2008, watch.

Remember we werent going to see the new silverado's until 2007

GM needs a winner, and they wont let the wind get knocked out of there sails over 4 measly months.

 

I also believe that was a conservative estimate. However, Im sure that it doesen't say, "first quarter of 2009 although we'll probably be done before that" for you or anyone else to "read"