Like I said, look for the guy with the bullet proof vest!

 

BTW, the laughing smiley is because I wouldn't be surprised.

I think you'll like the new car. That's the bottom line.

 

after reading the milford thread on camaro5 i learned some depressing news


Originally Posted by Blizzard
I think my only real question is do we know if there will be hide-a-way headlights????

Cant wait for some new interior pics of something other then the mule.

Oh and I would place my bet that the other color was Hugger Orange.
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Fbodfather:

We said a longgggg time ago that there would be no hideaway headlights -- (go look at a C6....)

And no, it wasn't Hugger Orange!

that was from fbodfather.i hope he was just trying to throw us off.i really really really really really really really really really really really really really....want one in Hugger Orange.

 

I wonder if the mystery color was something more controversial or unexpected. That would make sense for gathering the focus group's feedback. Maybe the chosen can hint if this was the case.

I know various shades of blues and purples are popular now and I wouldn't mind seeing one of those.

 

they also said in the camaro5 thread that there is supposed to be 8 to 10 color choices.I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that only 1 of them is hugger orange

 

My guess is the "mystery car" was a Bumblebee/look-a-like .

We KNOW that one is coming .

TELL ME I'M WRONG!!! (with a straight face, no fingers crossed behind your back ).

 

I think it would be great if that information were readily available. A handful of members here have admitted to it, but it'd be cool to know who everyone was. Would it be possible to assign all of the Disciples to a vBulletin member group, so that we can easily identify them when we're reading their posts?

I think what Jason meant to say is that everyone had an opportunity to apply to be a part of the group.

That's a 0.4% increase in circumference.

Think about Mustang's demographic. They sell over 100,000 of those things every year. What portion of those do you think qualify as "hard core" Mustang enthusiasts, compared to people that just think Mustangs are cool-looking or cool-sounding or whatever?

I suspect that the percentage of Mustang owners that qualify as "hard core" is considerably lower than the same percentage for Camaros. Camaro has consistently been the superior performance platform for nearly the entire lifetime of both nameplates, and that simply draws more "hard core" enthusiasts.

I don't have data to back that up -- it just feels like the case to me. Given that, it would make sense to me that Mustang enthusiasts would want more attention to the hard-core guys' opinions, whereas Camaro enthusiasts would clamber for more opinions from the Average Joe (or Jane!).

Awesome. Thanks for filling me in.

 

It will be chrome.

Bob Lutz told me himself.

Chrome with orange stripes.






This is also what the Series III diecast model will be.

 

 

Sweet! Can I put my $50,000 deposit down now?

 

Constructive...

I think GM was quite smart to put together "Focus groups" in general. I assume Ford has done similar things, though I have never seen anything like this on Mustang sites (and I ran the Corral - as the Forums Administrator - from 1997 through 2003). I have seen Ford at various Mustang events (both drag racing and shows) where they came up and asked specific questions on what we'd like to see in future Mustangs. But again - nothing like these sorts of Focus Groups (and again, I think it is a great idea).

How it will turn out in the end....we'll have to wait and see.

I have no opinion on the actual makeup of this or any other Focus groups, nor how they were chosen. In fact, I really have only one comment in regards to them in general: There needs/needed to be at least a few serious critics. If there were - great.

My opinion, of course.

I would suggest that Mustang has AT LEAST as large a group (percentage-wise) of hardcore enthusiasts as Camaro. One only needs to look at the Mustang-specific magazines, or the Mustang-specific racing organizations to get an idea of this. The demographics of this group may be somewhat different (and probably younger...my guess), but there are plenty of very, very hardcore Mustang guys (and not too many of them that I know own/race S197 Mustangs, btw).

I don't care what color Camaro comes in, so long as it is available in black.

Bob

PS....Can I have my T-tops, please?

 

Many people in the group have more than one generation in their garage. Many Camaro people are not pigeonholed into only one generation.
I don't consider myself any more of a 1st gen enthusiast than I do a 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th gen enthusiast.

 

...not sure of exactly how many, ...and I wasn't the only one raising concerns that I've seen on from some of the 1st gen boards. Other focus group members (some that own 1st gens, and some that didn't) also raised issues they've heard through the various sites.
What I find interesing here, ...and I see Chris posted the photo of Tom Peter's '69, ...is that some of these engineers are first gen owners themselves.
During our first Summit (last year), I was very very fortunate (obviously to be there to begin with) but on top of that, ...'my' '67 pace car (the one I restored and sold back to Chevrolet) was there too. To even add to that, ...I took Tom Peters for a spin. To see him point out and describe cues they wanted to pick up on, ...the general layout and purposeful design of the car, ...there is no doubt in my mind they spent time looking at 1st gen Camaros.
Yet, ... I also know (from what I've seen on many 1st gen boards), a lot of 1st gen guys aren't happy with the over-all design (ie. not retro enough for some). I know a lot want to see to see an RS version, a Z28 that will give the SCCA course a run for it's money, ...and an SS that will stand out from the rest. Vintage colors, ...special interiors, functional induction, superior braking, top notch suspension...and the list goes on. I can't comment on much, ...other than to say ALL of these (and many more) were brought to their attention.
The focus members do realize we are very very fortunate to have been selected, ...and I can't think of anyone who doesn't take it very responsibly. Some have posted to collect concerns, others read the various boards and take notes. We're not there to raise just our concerns, ...we genuinely are there to do the best we can to represent the enthusiasts across all generations.




...and I am a 4th gen owner as well. Here's a shot at BG a few years ago...

 

3 don't! One doesn't even own a Camaro, but what does that matter. To me, the focus group was to give opinions for enthusiasts and more important non enthusiasts and practical every day people. They need to sell a lot of these and any focus group would have to be people that you trust have not only the enthusiast knowledge but also a bigger perspective.

I trust that GM went through a lot of though in who and how they chose people. They made one big mistake though, they didn't pick me.

And yes, I own a fourth gen, I am on that "other board", I am personal friends with most of the disciples and I like to think Scott os my friend, so how in the hell could he leave me out. I meet all the criteria!

No need for a bullit proof vest. If we can't discuss these things then what is the sense of these boards anyway? I'm happy to listen to your opinions even if I don't agree.

 

THANK YOU, Ire....

I stopped reading this post at page 8 - at least for now -- because I'm not believing what I'm reading.

WHERE DID SOMEONE GET THE IDEA THAT WE DID NOT DO FOCUS GROUPS WITH MUSTANG (AND OTHER BRAND) OWNERS????? I've talked about this for the past several years on this very site.-- moreover, I've gone out myself and met with competitive owners at other enthusiast events -- because I felt that we needed to do so.

Show me another manufacturer that just did what we did to get Enthusiast input.....(with the Disciples in the past year or so)

Show me one.

Ford didn't because I know some on the Mustang Team and I asked them!

Dodge didn't -- because I know some on that team as well..........

Now...

The "Disciples" were not the 'end all' to this car -- but you can bet we're gonna continue to talk to them -- and we're going to make changes to the car BASED ON THEIR INPUT.......and in fact, we made changes based on the input they've given us over the past year.

That said:...........

It's HUGELY important that we market this car to a different customer.

IF we market this car to the enthusiast community -- we'll sell 50K a year over the lifecycle. If we market it to a wider audience, we'll sell a lot more. I don't know about you, but I'd like to see the Camaro do well -- make money -- and have a 6th and 7th gen -- and beyond.

(Don't believe me? Go to the various sites and see the threads where people talk about advertising ideas -- most of 'em involve lots of burnouts and noise.......which, my friends, is preaching to the choir......)

Now -- we talked to THOUSANDS of owners of other makes in the past two years - and we have it all on video.

We clinic'd this car sixty ways to Sunday -- BUT -- (Silly us...) we had the NERVE -- the VERY NERVE -- to TALK TO OUR ENTHUSIASTS!!!! Stone us at sunup!!!

*yes --rant mode is on -- sue me*

There are some people that are upset that they did not get picked. I understand that. We could only pick so many people -- I let John and Cheryl and James pick the Disciples because I felt that I was too close to the community. I think they did a great job picking people that represent North America -- 8 men, seven women -- all age groups -- all Camaro generations represented -- all income groups -- Firebird and Corvette owners as well......and yes......each of these Enthusiasts are well known in the Camaro enthusiast community -- because they get out there and travel and meet enthusiasts -and they have done this for some time.

Now -- I sincerely apologize for getting the Disciples excited about the car. What WERE WE thinking???!!!??

If it makes a few of you happy, I'll go back to the engineers and tell them to dumb down the car -- how's that? Would that make some of you feel better??

(Yup - I'm on a roll......)

I'm sorry that I'm ranting here -- but the tone of this thread is simply ridiculous --and if I was ANY of the 15 disciples and read what was said about them, I'd be at someone's doorstep tonight -- and I'd be demanding an apology.

To 99% of you on this site -- I sincerely apologize for what I've just typed...please forgive me. To those of you who remain skeptical -- I'm done -- I don't know what else do to -- other than to say that there are a few of us with our VERY LIVELIHOODS and reputations at stake.

Funny thing -- there are some people on here that have NOTHING at stake.

Rant over. I hope to see some of you in Atlanta this weekend at the 12 Annual Camaro/Firebird Gathering. I promise not to talk to any enthusiast -- because I might make them glad we listened.