Camaro V-6 First Drive - C&D. Sounds pretty good!
08-25-2008, 06:24 PM
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These are the kind of comments I expect to see a lot of:
"The ride quality of the Camaro doesn’t even rate a comparison with the lesser Mustang, and it makes the Challenger’s handling feel plodding."
I wonder if enough of these comments will prompt Ford to put an IRS in the Mustang sooner than later.
"The ride quality of the Camaro doesn’t even rate a comparison with the lesser Mustang, and it makes the Challenger’s handling feel plodding."
I wonder if enough of these comments will prompt Ford to put an IRS in the Mustang sooner than later.
Wierd as it may seem to some people, Mustangs aren't built to satisfy magazine types, if the average Mustang guy likes a live axle, if the average car buyer doesn't give a damn where the power gets down or what keeps the gas tank from draging on the road, then Ford will continue with the live axle both to keep Mustang as the price leader and to make it profitable thats just what Mustang does and its worked for 45 years non-stop.
08-25-2008, 06:43 PM
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Notice the context...
"...although the Camaro is nearly as wide as the Dodge it doesn’t feel as big."
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"Based on our early impressions, though, the Camaro outclasses its competitors on a few fronts. (Did you think it would one day be possible to see “Camaro” and “outclass” in the same sentence?) The ride quality of the Camaro doesn’t even rate a comparison with the lesser Mustang, and it makes the Challenger’s handling feel plodding."
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Chevy is casting its new Camaro as a modernist sports coupe rather than a revisionist pony car, and their case holds water.
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"Based on our early impressions, though, the Camaro outclasses its competitors on a few fronts. (Did you think it would one day be possible to see “Camaro” and “outclass” in the same sentence?) The ride quality of the Camaro doesn’t even rate a comparison with the lesser Mustang, and it makes the Challenger’s handling feel plodding."
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Chevy is casting its new Camaro as a modernist sports coupe rather than a revisionist pony car, and their case holds water.
08-25-2008, 08:52 PM
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It always cracks me up when the magazines compare a V6 car to that of a top of the line V8 car and acts as if this is a reasonable comparison. In the real world we compare apples to apples so it is pretty easy to see that the V6 Camaro will be very competive with the Challanger and Mustang.
As far as the Hyundai is concerned are you guys serious? It is a freaking Hyundai.
As far as the Hyundai is concerned are you guys serious? It is a freaking Hyundai.
08-25-2008, 10:19 PM
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And it's 310hp...at 6000rpm.
How impressive. Done specifically to get the attention of people who don't have a clue.Hyundai is a **** car. Period. Modern-day Yugo.
08-25-2008, 10:24 PM
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It always cracks me up when the magazines compare a V6 car to that of a top of the line V8 car and acts as if this is a reasonable comparison. In the real world we compare apples to apples so it is pretty easy to see that the V6 Camaro will be very competive with the Challanger and Mustang.
As far as the Hyundai is concerned are you guys serious? It is a freaking Hyundai.
As far as the Hyundai is concerned are you guys serious? It is a freaking Hyundai.
and it wasn't "the top of the line" v8, that's the GT500.
08-25-2008, 10:26 PM
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Good article. I enjoyed the jabs at Camaro stereotypes.
I can see a pattern developing already in comparing the V6 Camaro to Mustang GT and Challenger RT because sure those cars have more V8 power but also cost quite a bit more and it makes the Camaro seem like a bargain. It also shows that as a car in ride, handling and content the Camaro is a better car. I'd expect the SS test to be very interesting.
Could Camaro V6 RS potentially get on C&D's 10 Best???
I can see a pattern developing already in comparing the V6 Camaro to Mustang GT and Challenger RT because sure those cars have more V8 power but also cost quite a bit more and it makes the Camaro seem like a bargain. It also shows that as a car in ride, handling and content the Camaro is a better car. I'd expect the SS test to be very interesting.
Could Camaro V6 RS potentially get on C&D's 10 Best???
08-25-2008, 10:27 PM
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And as for the 310 hp @ 6000 rpm, have you even looked at the specs of the v6 camaro?? 300 hp @ 6400 rpm. Looks like you need to get a clue.
08-25-2008, 11:39 PM
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You realize you will never win a "Hyundai could possibly be better" argument on a Camaro board, right?I mean, I totally see your point, and numbers prove the fact that *certain* car brands have awful resale values year after year.
But you'll never get them to agree. I have as high or higher hopes for the Camaro as anyone on here, but I doubt it's going to be a super-car. It will be a lot of fun, but the base model won't be earth shattering awesome. Just like the days of 200hp V6's are mostly bygone, ~300hp out of a v6 is no longer a shocking number. Hyundai has figured it out. Hell, a couple of manufacturers (VW/Audi, and GM) are putting out turbo 4's with 270, and 260hp, respectively. But, we can hope that the Camaro is slightly better than its latest competition, or wins based on styling and heritage.
actually, based on resale values, people think higher of Hyundai and what it gives them over Chevy (and a ton of other brands)
Resale values by brand Average percentage of original value retained after five years for 2007 models:
Year Make..................... Average Combined
2007 MINI..................... 59.5
2007 SCION.................. 57.88
2007 LAND ROVER.......... 56.29
2007 VOLKSWAGEN........ 55.56
2007 ACURA.................. 55.46
2007 BMW.................... 55.11
2007 HONDA................. 54.69
2007 PORSCHE............... 54.18
2007 LEXUS.................. 54.04
2007 INFINITI................ 52.96
2007 TOYOTA................ 52.24
2007 AUDI..................... 52.19
2007 SUBARU................. 52
2007 MERCEDES-BENZ..... 50.34
2007 SAAB.................... 49.14
2007 NISSAN................. 48.88
2007 HUMMER................ 48.83
2007 SATURN................. 48.68
2007 CADILLAC............... 48.6
2007 PONTIAC................ 46.93
2007 MAZDA.................. 46.74
2007 VOLVO.................. 46.6
2007 JEEP..................... 46.02
2007 HYUNDAI............... 45.03
2007 DODGE.................. 44.83
2007 MITSUBISHI........... 44.43
2007 FORD.................... 42.97
2007 CHEVY.................. 42.55
2007 LINCOLN................ 42.3
2007 BUICK................... 42.23
2007 GMC..................... 42.07
2007 MERCURY.............. 42.04
2007 JAGUAR................. 41.95
2007 CHRYSLER............. 41.75
2007 KIA...................... 37.53
2007 ISUZU.................. 37.25
2007 SUZUKI................. 36.83
Note: The average 5-year resale value for each make includes all models. The listing takes into consideration all vehicles, regardless of price, production volumes, performance, sales or number of vehicles in each brand's fleet.
Source: Kelley Blue Book and kbb.com.
Resale values by brand Average percentage of original value retained after five years for 2007 models:
Year Make..................... Average Combined
2007 MINI..................... 59.5
2007 SCION.................. 57.88
2007 LAND ROVER.......... 56.29
2007 VOLKSWAGEN........ 55.56
2007 ACURA.................. 55.46
2007 BMW.................... 55.11
2007 HONDA................. 54.69
2007 PORSCHE............... 54.18
2007 LEXUS.................. 54.04
2007 INFINITI................ 52.96
2007 TOYOTA................ 52.24
2007 AUDI..................... 52.19
2007 SUBARU................. 52
2007 MERCEDES-BENZ..... 50.34
2007 SAAB.................... 49.14
2007 NISSAN................. 48.88
2007 HUMMER................ 48.83
2007 SATURN................. 48.68
2007 CADILLAC............... 48.6
2007 PONTIAC................ 46.93
2007 MAZDA.................. 46.74
2007 VOLVO.................. 46.6
2007 JEEP..................... 46.02
2007 HYUNDAI............... 45.03
2007 DODGE.................. 44.83
2007 MITSUBISHI........... 44.43
2007 FORD.................... 42.97
2007 CHEVY.................. 42.55
2007 LINCOLN................ 42.3
2007 BUICK................... 42.23
2007 GMC..................... 42.07
2007 MERCURY.............. 42.04
2007 JAGUAR................. 41.95
2007 CHRYSLER............. 41.75
2007 KIA...................... 37.53
2007 ISUZU.................. 37.25
2007 SUZUKI................. 36.83
Note: The average 5-year resale value for each make includes all models. The listing takes into consideration all vehicles, regardless of price, production volumes, performance, sales or number of vehicles in each brand's fleet.
Source: Kelley Blue Book and kbb.com.
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08-26-2008, 01:25 AM
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(This is where somebody says, 'but compare this V6 to the V8 of 1995!' To which I respond: This is not 1995.)
08-26-2008, 02:21 AM
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So going by your little thing there, someone would rather be in a Hyundai Sonata then a Jag XF?
That someone would rather have a Honda Accord Coupe over a 911 Turbo?
VW Jetta vs a MB E350?
Scion xB over a Land Rover Range Rover Sport?
No. The Hyundai coupe is a cool looking sports car, but will talked about being a rip off of teh 350/G35, Honda Accord, and other Japanese coupes.
Camaro needs to get into the market that teh Gensis coupe is going into. Getting larger mass market attention.
That someone would rather have a Honda Accord Coupe over a 911 Turbo?
VW Jetta vs a MB E350?
Scion xB over a Land Rover Range Rover Sport?
No. The Hyundai coupe is a cool looking sports car, but will talked about being a rip off of teh 350/G35, Honda Accord, and other Japanese coupes.
Camaro needs to get into the market that teh Gensis coupe is going into. Getting larger mass market attention.
08-26-2008, 02:38 AM
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ok, in that, i do agree with you. i mean, a previous generation manual transmission accord was running low 14's @ ~97.
08-26-2008, 09:42 AM
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I think Ford is happy where they are now with the Mustang. What I was trying to say is that it is very possible they could be less happy in the future if they don't keep up with their competition. Thats common sense. So the thought was, how many years of getting ridiculed for their stick axle (we will call this year one) will it take before they put the darn IRS in that the chassis was designed for. Now, I see your point about price, so that statement is based on their competition only being slightly more expensive (say $3k) and people thinking they are worth it.
08-26-2008, 10:16 AM
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From MotorTrend:
"The Mustang can only dream of delivering handling at this level of performance and sophistication."
"Mustang? Nah. The new Camaro feels more akin to an American Infiniti G37. And remember: Thus far our driving has been limited to the base V-6 version."