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Old 12-09-2006 | 12:08 PM
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Old 12-09-2006 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FS3800
thing is with the SS, you get it as an option package, and you could add other option packages on like RS and have a SS/RS ( or RS/SS whatever it is)

you couldnt do that with a Z28, or am i wrong..

as far as i know you couldnt get a Z28/SS or a Z28/RS, or some other comibination...
You're wrong.
RS could be added to any Camaro, including Z/28. SS and Z/28 could not be combined.
Originally Posted by briand069
Actually, back in 69 both the Z28 and the SS were just packages or options. The Z28 didn't become its own model till much later.
Techically the Z/28 was never its own model, it was an option package on Camaro.
Originally Posted by Capn Pete
Ironic that the 4th-gen SS / Z28 switched roles? The SS came with the upgraded suspension, wheels, etc. Although it's not like the Z28 got anything "extra" or "special" that the SS didn't .
Actually in the 4th gen the SS was again a stripe, badge and sticker car. Other than stripes, a forced air hood and badges, there really was no difference between the SS and Z/28. Unlike in the past where they had different motors and suspensions.

Originally Posted by Capn Pete
I'd like that too, but I've always been a Z28 guy . But hey, how's that quote go again? "Any car can be an SS. Only a Camaro can be a Z28."

..... and may the debate continue!
Word.

Originally Posted by FS3800
Z28 was a purebread race machine.... but it was originally available with only a 302 i believe.. due to restrictions in the racing series it was part of...

the SS was a package you added to your camaro.. not a seperate model like the Z28... with this package came bigger engines that were available than in the Z28.. and the SS was quicker in a straight line.. but the racing upgrades on the z28, besides the powerplant, made it quicker around a track



as for the 5th gen.. i'm hoping the Z28 is akin to the Vette's Z06.. it'll have the most horsepower, best brakes and suspension, and be the fastest Camaro in a straight line and around the track.. it wouldnt be available till like 2010-2012 this beast will start close to 40 grand.. and have well over 500hp

the SS would be the top model at the beginning, starting price around 28grand.. 450hp or so... this would be the one i get, unless i somehow become financially able to afford the top model

the badge has no bearing on which one i will get.. i just want a V8 that i can afford
99.9% agree*, although I am buying the Z06 version of the Camaro, no matter what they call it. (Money is no object. )

Originally Posted by merlinsteele
Wow...a z28 vs. SS thread...Never saw this before... good to see some people still use the search button.
Search button? There's a search button?


*99.9% because back in 1968 the Stock class world champion was a Z/28, not an SS. (Yes it beat the big block SSs.)
Old 12-09-2006 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Actually in the 4th gen the SS was again a stripe, badge and sticker car. Other than stripes, a forced air hood and badges, there really was no difference between the SS and Z/28. Unlike in the past where they had different motors and suspensions.
you sure about that.. i couldve sworn there was some difference in the suspension setup even in the 4th gen
Old 12-09-2006 | 01:34 PM
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Yeah, the SS's got Bilstein shocks, stiffer sway bars, and they got 17" rims w/wider, lower profile tires ... all in all = better handling .
Old 12-09-2006 | 01:43 PM
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Old 12-09-2006 | 02:59 PM
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Z/28 RULES!!!!!!!!!



To say anything else would be simply ridiculous.
Old 12-09-2006 | 07:27 PM
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I've returned to say Z28! Yo Z284!

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Old 12-09-2006 | 08:01 PM
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1969 Camaro Horsepower Ratings
Engine Displacement Rated Horsepower
Base 6-cylinder 230ci 140bhp
Turbo-Thrift 6-cylinder (L22 Option) 250ci 155bhp
Base V8 (early 1969) 327ci 210bhp
Base V8 (part way through 1969 production) 307ci 200bhp
Turbo-Fire V8 (LM1 Option) 350ci 225bhp
Turbo-Fire V8 (L65 Option) 350ci 250bhp
Z28 DZ302 V8 (Z28 Option) 302ci 290bhp
SS Base Engine Turbo-Fire V8 (L48 Option) 350ci 300bhp
SS Engine 2 Turbo-Jet V8 (L35 Option) 396ci 325bhp
SS Engine 3 Turbo-Jet V8 (L34 Option) 395ci 350bhp
SS Engine 4 Turbo-Jet V8 (L78 Option) 396ci 375bhp
SS Engine 5 Turbo-Jet V8 w/aluminum heads (L89 Option) 396ci 375bhp
COPO 427 (ZL1 Option) 427ci 435bhp

According to the above, the SS was the top dog, not the Z28. I understand that this is camaroz28.com and most of you guys are Z28 fans, but the SS really is the top of the line model with the exception of the ZL1 of course. I dont know how anyone can argue with this, the SS will obviouslly be the most powerful if they stay true to the Camaro roots, unless they make a ZL1. Personally, I dont think that either would be considered slow...both will be considerably fast. What is everyones beef with the SS? I like the SS. I cant beleive that we are splitting hairs over the smallest details. First one would state that Chevy is great and everything else is so-so, then they would state that the Camaro is great and every other Chevy is so-so, then they say that the Z28 is great and every other Camaro is so-so. Is all of this just because you personally own a Z28? I know a lot of guys on here will bash me for what I just wrote, but seriouslly, there is nothing wrong with an SS being the top model. The Z28 wont lose any respect over it, so stop getting so bent out of shape.
Old 12-09-2006 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jaymac332
1969 Camaro Horsepower Ratings
Engine Displacement Rated Horsepower
Base 6-cylinder 230ci 140bhp
Turbo-Thrift 6-cylinder (L22 Option) 250ci 155bhp
Base V8 (early 1969) 327ci 210bhp
Base V8 (part way through 1969 production) 307ci 200bhp
Turbo-Fire V8 (LM1 Option) 350ci 225bhp
Turbo-Fire V8 (L65 Option) 350ci 250bhp
Z28 DZ302 V8 (Z28 Option) 302ci 290bhp
SS Base Engine Turbo-Fire V8 (L48 Option) 350ci 300bhp
SS Engine 2 Turbo-Jet V8 (L35 Option) 396ci 325bhp
SS Engine 3 Turbo-Jet V8 (L34 Option) 395ci 350bhp
SS Engine 4 Turbo-Jet V8 (L78 Option) 396ci 375bhp
SS Engine 5 Turbo-Jet V8 w/aluminum heads (L89 Option) 396ci 375bhp
COPO 427 (ZL1 Option) 427ci 435bhp

According to the above, the SS was the top dog, not the Z28. I understand that this is camaroz28.com and most of you guys are Z28 fans, but the SS really is the top of the line model with the exception of the ZL1 of course. I dont know how anyone can argue with this, the SS will obviouslly be the most powerful if they stay true to the Camaro roots, unless they make a ZL1. Personally, I dont think that either would be considered slow...both will be considerably fast. What is everyones beef with the SS? I like the SS. I cant beleive that we are splitting hairs over the smallest details. First one would state that Chevy is great and everything else is so-so, then they would state that the Camaro is great and every other Chevy is so-so, then they say that the Z28 is great and every other Camaro is so-so. Is all of this just because you personally own a Z28? I know a lot of guys on here will bash me for what I just wrote, but seriouslly, there is nothing wrong with an SS being the top model. The Z28 wont lose any respect over it, so stop getting so bent out of shape.
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Old 12-09-2006 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by merlinsteele
Wow...a z28 vs. SS thread...Never saw this before... good to see some people still use the search button.
what is the invention of a search button you speak... i have only heard rumors of its capabilities.
Old 12-10-2006 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jaymac332
1969 Camaro Horsepower Ratings
Engine Displacement Rated Horsepower
Base 6-cylinder 230ci 140bhp
Turbo-Thrift 6-cylinder (L22 Option) 250ci 155bhp
Base V8 (early 1969) 327ci 210bhp
Base V8 (part way through 1969 production) 307ci 200bhp
Turbo-Fire V8 (LM1 Option) 350ci 225bhp
Turbo-Fire V8 (L65 Option) 350ci 250bhp
Z28 DZ302 V8 (Z28 Option) 302ci 290bhp
SS Base Engine Turbo-Fire V8 (L48 Option) 350ci 300bhp
SS Engine 2 Turbo-Jet V8 (L35 Option) 396ci 325bhp
SS Engine 3 Turbo-Jet V8 (L34 Option) 395ci 350bhp
SS Engine 4 Turbo-Jet V8 (L78 Option) 396ci 375bhp
SS Engine 5 Turbo-Jet V8 w/aluminum heads (L89 Option) 396ci 375bhp
COPO 427 (ZL1 Option) 427ci 435bhp

According to the above, the SS was the top dog, not the Z28. I understand that this is camaroz28.com and most of you guys are Z28 fans, but the SS really is the top of the line model with the exception of the ZL1 of course. I dont know how anyone can argue with this, the SS will obviouslly be the most powerful if they stay true to the Camaro roots, unless they make a ZL1. Personally, I dont think that either would be considered slow...both will be considerably fast. What is everyones beef with the SS? I like the SS. I cant beleive that we are splitting hairs over the smallest details. First one would state that Chevy is great and everything else is so-so, then they would state that the Camaro is great and every other Chevy is so-so, then they say that the Z28 is great and every other Camaro is so-so. Is all of this just because you personally own a Z28? I know a lot of guys on here will bash me for what I just wrote, but seriouslly, there is nothing wrong with an SS being the top model. The Z28 wont lose any respect over it, so stop getting so bent out of shape.
Those performance numbers and a dollar will buy you a cup of coffee.

The Z/28 was erroneously rated at 290hp from 1967-1969. As I said in an earlier post, the NHRA world champion in stock in 1968 was a Z/28... not a SS396 of which many were competing in that class.

SS is the all-options (luxury) performance model.

Z/28 is the all-out race model.

Just leave it at that.

Last edited by jg95z28; 12-10-2006 at 11:17 AM. Reason: typo
Old 12-10-2006 | 11:13 AM
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According to the above, the SS was the top dog, not the Z28.
bigger engine alone does not make a car the top dog
Old 12-10-2006 | 11:16 AM
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you sure about that.. i couldve sworn there was some difference in the suspension setup even in the 4th gen
Not really. (Shocks do not a different suspension set-up make.) The point is that unlike in the past, a Z/28 and SS had the exact same drivetrain. Mods done to make the SS an "SS" were off the shelf, out of the box mods that could be done to any Z/28, in fact intially that's all they were... tuned Z/28s. Unlike in previous generations where the Z/28 and SS had completely different drivetrains and suspensions.

If you'd like a more accurate description of the SS should be that it is/was a "tuner" car, as basically that's all it was, a refined and tuned Z/28. No major differences or modifications, just a few adustments and tweaks to go with the badges and stripes.
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Berlinetta is and will always be top of the Camaro food chain.



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Berlinetta is and will always be top of the Camaro food chain.



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