i would have to agree... there will be 2 versions of the camaro... hopefully it'll be a pontiac Firebird...

 

That's what I don't understand either. And can someone please inform me how the budget works for each division. As in, everyone says that Firebird took out a good chunk of developmental money from Camaro, but wouldn't Pontiac be footing that part of the bill? I'd love to be enlightened, cuz I just don't know how that works in GM. Can anyone fill me in???

 

if i remember right, the F-cars had thier own program budget. there was x-amount of money that could be spent on the Camaro/Firebird platform, and the Firebird, even though it produced fewer sales, used up more money in the budget with the restyles it recieved over the course of the 4th gens.

 

Id' love to see a Firebird come back. I own 2 Firebirds, and 2 Camaros, I wouldn't mind making it 3 of each. But I agree, a simple redisign of the Camaro is pointless. The idea of a retro(heratiege) Camaro and a modern Firebird gets my attention.....

 

Ah but would the Fcars have gotten the same budget if there was only the Camaro. That is to say if there was no Firebird, would the Camaro have really got that money, or would it have gone to a different program?

 

No Firebird Is Coming Back Anytime Soon, Let It Go!

 

Ok got it now. But couldn't theoretically a 5th Gen Firebird have it's own budget from Pontiac, instead of sharing it with Camaro?

Also, good point Haz-Matt. It's possible the budget was more for the F-body due to there both being Camaro and Firebird.

 

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. You're 100% right, the car going to be unveiled is nothing more than a concept and not an actual pre-production vehicle. The actual production version (as you already know) is a few years out. You and I are on the same page.

Okay, why the arrogance?? I'm not new to the internet and most certainly am not new to forums or forum posting. I am new to this site so excuse me if I post something that you've already seen before. Another thing, why are you referring me to the SEARCH button? In my last post, did I ask a question that you feel I might be able to find an answer to on through the search button?

 

Let Chevy have the Camaro, and make Pontiac make the GTO more appealing (not that its not appealing, just not $30K appealing).

Then bring back the FIERO as a Miata killer. Im talking a Gran National Inspired Turbo Charged 3.8L V6 Mid-Engine Fiero!! Heck ya!

We can still see the Solstice, just let that be a pretty convert. The Fiero can be *****-to-the-walls performance!!

Just my $0.02.

 

Bring back the Fiero, a car that only lived in the automotive world a few years, but leave the Firebird dead, who's lifespan has spanned decades?

 

It's always been the Camaro sibling, a second front on the F-body attack, for those with different tastes but still looking for an affordable RWD performance car. I've always loved Camaro's since the first gens, but I (you) have to admit, that last WS6 R/A was the Baddest Looking Car on the planet, at the time..
Move GTO up to the Half-way-house between F-Bodies and Vettes, let Pontiac live up to its Motto.(Out of our hands tho, I know. )

 

I am assuming there were two big business case points for the Sky:

1. Solstice's 20,000 units/year aren't going to support a pretty sophisticated new platform like Kappa by itself. (Camaro will be planned for much higher numbers.)

2. Saturn desperately needs new life injected into its showrooms. Sky (and Aura) provide it.

 

As GM is rediscovering, styling is critical in the success of thier cars. Pontiac styling and Chevy styling are not the same thing and thats why we have different divisions.
Now I really hate to pour gasoline on this fire with second hand info (pet peeve of mine) but here goes. I had no intention of posting this until this thread came up.
My best friend, not as in my uncle's best friend's gardner's milkman but my actual best friend as in I speak to him every day and I was the best man at his wedding---he works in film/television production. He called me last week and told me he had just worked on a commercial for the 2007 Tahoe. He was impressed with it. Apparently there were some GM execs on hand and they were shooting the breeze with the crew during a break and my buddy being a Camaro/Monte Carlo SS nut asked about a new Camaro. He was told that a new Camaro would be at the autoshow in Jan (which we of course already know) And because he knows I am a Firebird guy, and I have told him there are no signs of the return of the Firebird, he asked them "why would you guys bring back the Camaro, and not the Firebird?" The guy replied "its in the works"
Me: How tall was the guy you talked to?
Him: Man, that sucker was tall! (friend is 6'3") He must have been at least 6'5"!
Me: Umm, did he have white hair?
Him: Yes, and he was wearing glasses. That guy was big.
Me: I think you may have been talking to Bob Lutz!

Now a couple of things. My friend isn't an internet cruiser like we are, so I had to explain to him on the phone how to do a google image search on Bob Lutz to see if that was him. He called me back 10 minutes later and said "yup, that's him" Now what does "in the works" mean? Could mean anything from "we're thinking about it" to "its almost done" who knows. But whatever it means, it is encouraging to those of us who identify with Pontiac styling rather than Chevy.

So, take it with a grain of salt, but this is info from my best friend who was there. Its not 3rd or fourth hand info. BTW if anyone knows for certain that B.L. attended this commecial shoot, send me a PM

 

Some may cry BS, but it sounds legit to me. What does it mean for the return of the Firechicken? got me, but I always liked them, despite the Firechicken comment.I thought they were the styling leader up until the mid 90's ( I know that the mid 90's Camaro's were mostly the same as the 93+, but the addition of the RS and SS package's really woke that body up, IMO).

 

Well Hoodshaker, if you frequent this board I am sure you are aware that your info will be extremely scutinized to all hell, and people are going to want more proof than what you have given. I am not saying I don't believe you, and I would definelty like to see the Bird come back, but 2nd hand info on a message board is not always the most reliable info.