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Old Apr 4, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by skorpion317
Z/28 is an LS2, i believe, and the "Boss 330" has an upcoming 4.6L i think.
My guess is the "Boss 330" has the 330ci. 5.4L V8 found in other Ford vehicles. My guess is they will go with the 3 valve.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 01:04 PM
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I have a hard time believing the 1/4-mile times listed in that article. I just read it last night (just got the issue at home) and don't have it in front of me but I want to say the V6 camaro was quoted at something like 14.5 @ 106 mph... sorry, I just don't see a 240 horsepower V6 at 3600 pounds or so trapping at 106 mph, and if it did somehow trap at 106mph, it sure as hell wouldn't be running a 14.5

Sorry, but the V6 isn't going to trap over 100, period. The other times had a trap of something like 120mph for the Z28 and around 130mph for the 505 horsepower version... equally unbelievable.

Maybe they mentioned somewhere in the article that the software they used records the trap at the end of the quarter mile (like the G-tech meter does) rather than averaging out the last bit like is done in real life? But if so, that's dumb... why come up with such high tech software and then not have it calculate the quartermile properly?
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 01:17 PM
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I love that even the magazines are bench racing now.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Threxx
I have a hard time believing the 1/4-mile times listed in that article. I just read it last night (just got the issue at home) and don't have it in front of me but I want to say the V6 camaro was quoted at something like 14.5 @ 106 mph... sorry, I just don't see a 240 horsepower V6 at 3600 pounds or so trapping at 106 mph, and if it did somehow trap at 106mph, it sure as hell wouldn't be running a 14.5
Based on the V6 Camaro vs V8 colorado thread it seems the V6 Camaro will likely be HF and have at least 300 hp.

Sorry, but the V6 isn't going to trap over 100, period. The other times had a trap of something like 120mph for the Z28 and around 130mph for the 505 horsepower version... equally unbelievable.
Who said the Z28 would have an LS2 or only 400 hp? ZL1 could use the 6.3 SC V8 with 3 valve heads by the time it comes out. It could put down well over 550 hp. Then again this is all just bench racing which means not jack.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 03:25 PM
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that was pretty sick
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 04:12 PM
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Cute little program, I think it just crashed my pc. It wouldn't turn back on for 30 min.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 05:32 PM
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good 'fake" test. Reality will prove quite differently. The 2009 Mustang GT will real good.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 07:26 PM
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While it's an interesting Sim. It's still just a Sim. By the way the trap speeds are 8 - 10% to high.

And some of the engine options my be off a bit as well.

I personally believe the base Camaro will get the 240hp 3.9L V6 to challenge the base V6 'Stang.

The Z/28 will challenge the GT. And the GT is estimated to make between 320-340hp by '09. And the Z/28 may get 350hp LS V8.

The SS model may get the new 6.2L LS3(which makes 403 hp in the '07 Escalade, and will be at least 430hp in the base 'Vette, and new GTO). This will be the Challenger SRT-8 & Boss "Stang fighter. Expect roughly 420hp, and a base Price tag of around 35K.

If Chevy does build a Camaro that is a Shelby GT500 fighter, look possibly slightly detuned(to about 480hp) LS7, and a base Price tag over 50K. But truthfully I tend to think Chevy just use the base 'Vette to battle the GT500, since the 'Vette is lighter than the Camaro will be. And the 'Vette with LS3 will already equal or beat the Shelby GT500, in price & performance.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by number77
Cool, but too bad they got the model names wrong.
Not necessarily. Z28 is a race car like the Boss 302 Mustang. The ZL1 was the closet thing Camaro had to a Shelby. I get confused though because I dont know what the difference was between a 69 Boss 429 and a 69 Shelby 429 in performance and everything else for like a 69 Mustang.

What makes things confusing is there was never a Big Block Z28 to go up against the Boss 429 If Im way off let me know...
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 10:17 PM
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that test was good, except the Camaro always one, and it was virtual not real. The new 2009 Mustang GT will be 90% different then the one right now. The Hurricane 6.2 is alive and well, don't think for one second FORD is putting the Mustang program on hold. The new Stang GT will have well over 330 h.p. in 09 I guarantee it.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 10:24 PM
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All I kept thinking was that the CG Camaro in the simulation, looks more like a circa 2015 Chery rip off of a Camaro.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by krj-1168
While it's an interesting Sim. It's still just a Sim. By the way the trap speeds are 8 - 10% to high.

And some of the engine options my be off a bit as well.

I personally believe the base Camaro will get the 240hp 3.9L V6 to challenge the base V6 'Stang.

The Z/28 will challenge the GT. And the GT is estimated to make between 320-340hp by '09. And the Z/28 may get 350hp LS V8.

The SS model may get the new 6.2L LS3(which makes 403 hp in the '07 Escalade, and will be at least 430hp in the base 'Vette, and new GTO). This will be the Challenger SRT-8 & Boss "Stang fighter. Expect roughly 420hp, and a base Price tag of around 35K.

If Chevy does build a Camaro that is a Shelby GT500 fighter, look possibly slightly detuned(to about 480hp) LS7, and a base Price tag over 50K. But truthfully I tend to think Chevy just use the base 'Vette to battle the GT500, since the 'Vette is lighter than the Camaro will be. And the 'Vette with LS3 will already equal or beat the Shelby GT500, in price & performance.
Do the people that post this stuff actually read anything that has been discussed at all on this forum in the last few weeks? He is telling us what he believes the powertrains are going to be, based on his own beliefs, but their is very little credence to any of this. I admittedly know no one who is an it GM, but many of the more respected members of this board seem to, and we have already gotten quite alot of info on the up and coming powertrains that is totally contrary to this, besides the Mustang getting 320-340hp.

About the v6 times, if a Camaro gets a 300hp+ v6 as being speculated, I see no reason as to why the 5th gen won't run the time in the simulation, even at is hefty hypothesised weight.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CamaroZ282008
that test was good, except the Camaro always one, and it was virtual not real. The new 2009 Mustang GT will be 90% different then the one right now. The Hurricane 6.2 is alive and well, don't think for one second FORD is putting the Mustang program on hold. The new Stang GT will have well over 330 h.p. in 09 I guarantee it.
How do you guarantee it? I really doubt the 09 Mustang GT will be "90%" different. That is a pretty unrealistic statement. I also really, really doubt that if we see a version of the Hurricane engine in a Mustang, that it is going to be in GT trim. I don't think anyone ever thought for a second Ford is putting their Mustang on hold, as it would be pretty stupid to do so considering how it sells. I just don't think there is going to be much to worry about from the Mustang, trim for trim, except for maybe the GT500. GM motors make more hp per dollar than the Ford engines, and that is the Camaro's ace in its sleeve.

Besides, I thought I remember reading somewhere that the IRS that the Mustang was supposed to be getting in 09 is now under scrunity as to how likely it may be to actually get it?
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
Based on the V6 Camaro vs V8 colorado thread it seems the V6 Camaro will likely be HF and have at least 300 hp.


Who said the Z28 would have an LS2 or only 400 hp? ZL1 could use the 6.3 SC V8 with 3 valve heads by the time it comes out. It could put down well over 550 hp. Then again this is all just bench racing which means not jack.
Well... I'm at home now and the magazine says 240hp V6, 403hp Z28, and 505 hp ZL-1.

Now whether or not that's the motors they actually come out with, that is the parameters the test was based on. So regardless of what you suspect we may find in these vehicles; that's not what motortrend suspects and that's not what their benchracing was based on.
Old Apr 4, 2006 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Threxx
Well... I'm at home now and the magazine says 240hp V6, 403hp Z28, and 505 hp ZL-1.

Now whether or not that's the motors they actually come out with, that is the parameters the test was based on. So regardless of what you suspect we may find in these vehicles; that's not what motortrend suspects and that's not what their benchracing was based on.
Oh, I didn't realize that that is what the number was Motortrend was using. There is no way a 3600lb Camaro is going to run that time with 240hp.



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