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Old Jun 2, 2006 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by IndyZman
I thought the retro-Mustang was ugly and a bad idea, until I saw the new Retro-Look Camaro,.....it is truly horrid!!! a Hyundai looks more sporty than this lack of design and imagination that the new retro Camaro inspires.
Hey GM, I'll hold on to my "REAL" Camaro , a '97 Camaro.
ah another person that agrees with me and will next except this piece of crap known as the concept camaro.

And yes I've seen it in person from every angle and it made me like it less in person.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 02:40 PM
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I wouldn't lose sleep over any of it.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by toegead93
I think the problem with the entire "retro" thing going around is it is fashionable to call something retro. It's a fad. So everyone is calling everything retro now. There's a fine line between using old (retro, whatever word you choose to use) cues to design something new. Right now people don't understand that line and call everything retro. For example, Is the new Lambrgini retro to you? Answer...no. But according to how you use the retro label on the Camaro you should also label the Lambrohini as retro. It pulls its styling cues from the 1980's. The 350Z is retro also since it pulls cues from the 1990's. The Mitshubishi Evolution is retro because it uses the same styling from the 1980's. This is all wrong, these cars are not retro, they are use modern interpretations of old (some choose to call retro) cues and brand heritage. Is the Louve (museum in Paris) retro because it has a glass pyramid? That's as retro as it gets right? Of coursse not. The pyramid at the louve is modern and if I.M. Pei heard me call it retro he'd b**ch slap me. If your into fads go by an overpriced $100 Von Dutch trucker hat and wear it everyday, but please stop rewriting the dictionary. No hard feelings, jut my opinion.
No, it really is retro. Oh, I'm sorry it's "heritage" Why try so hard to convince yourself otherwise?????
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 02:59 PM
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How can you look at the car and see nothing modern? set it side by side with an F-22.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 03:14 PM
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You can call it whatever you like.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 03:26 PM
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

Let me say this: The Concept Camaro-- has been better received than any other car in our history in terms of positive versus negative comments.

Period.

That fact becomes even more apparent with the advent of the internet. (easier and more convenient to contact us and tell us what you think..)

As you probably know, I've toured with the car extensively. Our Fbody enthusiasts are not shy about telling me what they think. Invariably, those who declared they didn't like the car will come up to me and say "wow --everyone was right -- you really DO have to see the car in person -- I've changed my mind-- where do I sign?"

So -- and this isn't meant in any disrespect -- I'm sorry you don't like the car -- there are many others out there to choose from -- and it's a free country -- so you can choose something else if you really don't like the Camaro.
........but I'm beyond elation at the positive (-- and that positive is nearly all majority -- very few in the minority -- ) response to the car.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 03:29 PM
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I should probably also point out that the 2nd gen cars were incredibly polarizing -- you either loved them or hated them when they FIRST came out. And the numbers and percentage of those who hated them were substantial -- yet the 2nd gen car went on to be the best selling generation of all time -- and by the way -- in 1979 -- toward the end of the 2nd gen lifecycle-- we sold 282,000 Camaros!

So -- again, we're sorry that a couple of you don't like it..... we still think it needs to be built -- and I think it will be incredibly successful.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 04:26 PM
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So we've got two less people on the waiting list. That's goody for the rest of us who are chomping at the bit to get our hands on one of these cars.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MarcR94v6
How can you look at the car and see nothing modern? set it side by side with an F-22.
I can definitely see some modern styling, it's not a first gen. replica for sure. Just because it's not a reproduction does not mean it's not retro because it most certainly is. Everyone can argue over their definition but the media, car people, and non car people alike feel it's retro. About the only place have I heard anyone say it's not retro is here in this forum. It's usually by people with "build it retro GM!" in their sig. Either they are trying to convince some of us who aren't happy with the styling to like it or are pissed off because it's not a total and blatant rip off of a first gen.

Unlike 99% of the buying public there's a lot more that goes into my buying decision than what it looks like. It is certainly not disgusting, it's just uninspiring. At least it has some crisp lines and angles which I much prefer to bubble cars. If it is truly a good car I will still consider purchasing one. It won't be the perfect Camaro in my eyes because of the styling but it could still be a very good car, just not something to be passionate about. The only thing I know for sure GM won't screw up is powertrain but I'm not positive about the rest. It appears to be following the Mustang formula (which has defined the market and GM likes to be a follower) which will ensure I don't buy one. If the styling is retro, it's massive, and nothing is really exceptional (save for the power) than it'll be the ultimate disappointment.

I still have this eery feeling that the pony car is officially dead. Maybe the pony car simply couldn't survive with today's market and regulations. Maybe my notion of a pony car is just really screwed up
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Buttercup
I can definitely see some modern styling, it's not a first gen. replica for sure. Just because it's not a reproduction does not mean it's not retro because it most certainly is. Everyone can argue over their definition but the media, car people, and non car people alike feel it's retro. About the only place have I heard anyone say it's not retro is here in this forum. It's usually by people with "build it retro GM!" in their sig. Either they are trying to convince some of us who aren't happy with the styling to like it or are pissed off because it's not a total and blatant rip off of a first gen.

Unlike 99% of the buying public there's a lot more that goes into my buying decision than what it looks like. It is certainly not disgusting, it's just uninspiring. At least it has some crisp lines and angles which I much prefer to bubble cars. If it is truly a good car I will still consider purchasing one. It won't be the perfect Camaro in my eyes because of the styling but it could still be a very good car, just not something to be passionate about. The only thing I know for sure GM won't screw up is powertrain but I'm not positive about the rest. It appears to be following the Mustang formula (which has defined the market and GM likes to be a follower) which will ensure I don't buy one. If the styling is retro, it's massive, and nothing is really exceptional (save for the power) than it'll be the ultimate disappointment.

I still have this eery feeling that the pony car is officially dead. Maybe the pony car simply couldn't survive with today's market and regulations. Maybe my notion of a pony car is just really screwed up
Well, you have your idea of what retro is, and I have mine. You are not the dictionary king, so just because you say 'it's retro', does not make it so.

I'd say, yes, it definetely has the cues of past Camaros. But it's looks pretty modern, to me! I saw a pic on this site with, was it a '69 and the Concept side by side? They looked more different than the same, to me. But that's just my humble opinion.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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Everyone is absolutely entitled to his/her opinion...plain and simple if you don't like it, don't buy it. But if you don't like it, don't try and convince other people to agree with you. Go buy whatever you like.

I love it, I've seen it in person and loved it more. I've owned 1st and 2nd gen Camaro's and a list of other GM muscle cars and will be emptying out my garage to make roon for my 5th gen.

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Old Jun 2, 2006 | 06:28 PM
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Lucky enough to be at the unveiling loved it! Just got back from G10 saw it again can not wait to have this car! If you did not get goose bump's when scott fired it up and drove it through the line of F-Body's you need to check yourself for a heartbeat! This car will own the street's
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Fbodfather
I should probably also point out that the 2nd gen cars were incredibly polarizing -- you either loved them or hated them when they FIRST came out. And the numbers and percentage of those who hated them were substantial -- yet the 2nd gen car went on to be the best selling generation of all time -- and by the way -- in 1979 -- toward the end of the 2nd gen lifecycle-- we sold 282,000 Camaros!

So -- again, we're sorry that a couple of you don't like it..... we still think it needs to be built -- and I think it will be incredibly successful.
LOL Scott I was just going to say the same thing. There is always someone who doesnt like the newest Generation of cars coming out. I Remember Telling my husband (this is before we were in to the whole Camaro lifestyle & still owning the mustangs (yes Scott I did own 3 Mustangs lol)That I hated the looks of the 4th Gen Camaros, Would NOT own one no matter what he tried to do. Since that Day we have owned 2 4th Gens, Several 3rd Gens and a few 2nd Gens.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 08:17 PM
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by the way Ms. Krazzyperson -- I'm coming out for the PNWCC show -- it's kinda hit and run.......

And NO you can't have the keys.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 08:18 PM
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But but I get to Droll over it right???????? or you give me a ride in it???

LOL & Scott you can use my name you remember it dont you lol

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