Message from Red Planet

Fbodfather
06-12-2002, 10:54 AM
Good afternoon, all,

While I have been off the board for a while, I went on last evening to “check the pulse” and was surprised to see what some had to say about my absence.

Apparently some feel that I was on the board only to sell new Camaros – and that once we scheduled the last car, I disappeared.

Nothing can be further from the truth.

I will always be passionate about Camaro and Firebird –regardless of what the future holds. This has been more than just a job for me – it has been a lifelong passion – and those that know me can attest to that fact. I am a “Camaro Junkie.”

So, no, that is NOT the reason I have not posted on this site in a while.

I believe in CamaroZ28.com and I support it as much as possible. I talk about it to the media – I put it in our retail training information to let the salespeople in our dealerships know that there are some very enthusiastic people out there that need to find a good salesperson……..I put CamaroZ28 in our Camaro Legends Tour video…..and I send “Camaro Stuff” out to Jason and Chris for editorial content on the site. I try to meet with Jason once a month or so for dinner –just to talk shop…..he and Chris do a great job with this site. However, there are a LOT of Fbody sites out there….and quite frankly, I have a very full schedule at GM. Furthermore, I travel just about every weekend to an Fbody event…..on my own time …..because I believe that it is important to support our enthusiasts…..moreover, there is no better way to get feedback than talking to enthusiasts ‘one-on-one’ or in small groups. (sorry, but the internet is NOT a great way to get feedback…in my humble opinion, there is a delayed ‘give and take’ – additionally, it is too easy to be misunderstood. And finally, I want to know who it is that is giving me feedback….who they are, what they drive, what they do, etc……..and that is simply not possible on the internet. don’t believe me? Look at some profiles some time….you know who I am, but I haven’t a clue as to who you are….or what your level of expertise is….)

I have not disappeared and have no intentions of doing so…but I only have so much time in a day…and I cannot post all the time. And I do try to get to most of the sites....

Many do not like what I post….perhaps it is because I will not give them a glimpse into the future. --- and I am not going to because I will not put my job in jeopardy. Or perhaps it is because I do not agree with their point of view…..or perhaps it seems that I give way too many excuses as to the ‘whys’ and ‘why nots’ of GM and the other U.S. Manufacturers.

The automobile business is NOT an easy business. Government mandates have complicated this business. Additionally, consumerism, while having its good points also taxes our abilities at times. On top of this, the United States has opened its doors to the world…anyone that wants to build and export cars and trucks to the United States can do so….tariff-free. It is difficult to compete with countries that pay a small fraction for labor….and don’t get me wrong…I have no problems for the most part with the UAW…..the money they are paid is spent in the local economies of where the membership lives and works – and that is a good thing for the U.S. Economy in my opinion.

One of my goals when posting is to educate. For example, my expertise is in automobiles. It is NOT in computers and software. I personally have problems with Windows Millenium – and while there are features that I do not like, I am certainly not going to tell Bill Gates – or those of you who are software guys how to fix Windows Millenium…because it is not my area of expertise.

So….

With all that said, I am still out there – lurking – reading, nodding my head sometimes, shaking it more often than nodding it….. I may sometimes struggle with the urge to strike back when getting flamed...however, it would be unprofessional of me – and further, I believe that much of the anger and frustration that I read is because you genuinely love the Camaro and Firebird….and you are furious that GM apparently walked away from the market…never to return. (Don’t jump to conclusions on that last one………….)

And lastly, do I believe that GM is a great company? You betcha! I have been approached by three different manufacturers to go to work for them…for more money….but I won’t do it. I truly believe in the future at GM. (and there is more to life than just money…..) Do I believe GM does everything right? Hell no! Never has, never will …nor will any other company…that’s just the way things work.

I believe two very important events took place in the recent past that will impact the future very brightly – One…Ron Zarella left. Two, Bob Lutz came back. Mr. Lutz has allowed many creative people to do what they love to do….design, build, manufacture, and market great cars--- but remember, you cannot turn this thing around over night. Moreover, one person cannot change the entire company…it will take thousands of talented people working countless hours to undo some of the damage done by ‘outsiders’ that were not car guys and gals.

OK – ‘nuff said.

Who’s coming to Huntington Beach, CA this weekend – or Keystone Camaros in Pittsburgh next weekend – or SLP day in Columbus the following weekend????

SuperDave479
06-12-2002, 12:13 PM
Welcome back, Red Planet. You're always welcome here. Thanks for the kind words. I'll be the first to admit that I get mad at GM easily these days because my childhood dream car (the Camaro) was killed off. FWD ugly V6 Impala SS?? Of course, you've given me hope that it won't be for good and that there will be a turnaround at GM. Thank you for that. Keep doing what you do. It is very appreciated.

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20 OZ
06-12-2002, 12:15 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And lastly, do I believe that GM is a great company? You betcha! I have been approached by three different manufacturers to go to work for them…for more money….but I won’t do it. I truly believe in the future at GM. (and there is more to life than just money…..) Do I believe GM does everything right? Hell no! Never has, never will …nor will any other company…that’s just the way things work.</font>

As long as a performance car enthusiast like RP is working for GM, has an idea of its future, and is making comments like this, I will believe there is light at the end of the tunnel. http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

ced8
06-12-2002, 03:47 PM
RedPlanet... I would like to say thank you for instilling in me the confidence I need to be passionate to GM. Yes it is true that GM has sort of turned their back on the enthusiasts I understand why, I have too many solutions to their problem... and it includes the Corvette and a simple platform.. but forget about that. All I want to say is that you are doing a great job and no matter how much you get flamed, I GOT YOUR BACK *flame suit on for the posers* so anyone that wants to mess with RP, has to get through me..

[This message has been edited by ced8 (edited June 12, 2002).]

vodoo-chile
06-12-2002, 04:34 PM
RP, all I can say is that you are not alone, You're never alone.

Kyle

INTENSS
06-12-2002, 05:37 PM
RP, your Camaro (f-body) faithful are still behind you all the way.

We will not be swayed like the posers who jump ship. Some people need to attain knowledge and patience before jumping to conclusions.

See you in Bowling Green...

-Rich

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Burmite
06-12-2002, 07:54 PM
Hmm... Of the Huntington Beach event wasn't on Sunday, and not Saturday I'd be there. This Saturday is move out day here at school, so I won't get home until 5pm or so. I'll keep my eyes out for the next So Cal event though.

guionM
06-12-2002, 09:25 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by INTENSS:
RP, your Camaro (f-body) faithful are still behind you all the way.

We will not be swayed like the posers who jump ship. Some people need to attain knowledge and patience before jumping to conclusions.

See you in Bowling Green...

-Rich

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What knowledge & patience exactly are you speaking of?

INTENSS
06-12-2002, 09:38 PM
Knowledge of the industry as a whole, how things get done in it, hierarchy, what consumers want, etc....

Patience meaning waiting a little while for what you want to come out. Sometimes you just have to wait for things. Whether you like it or not, our market niche doesn't make alot of money for the manufactuers right now - family cars/SUV's do.

I dont know if that pertains to you exactly...but it does to the majority of people who rant and rave on here. We all get pissed, however some of us need to learn restraint when faced with lack of knowledge and patience.

Just my $.02

-Rich

Z284ever
06-12-2002, 10:47 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by INTENSS:
Knowledge of the industry as a whole, how things get done in it, hierarchy, what consumers want, etc....

Patience meaning waiting a little while for what you want to come out. Sometimes you just have to wait for things. Whether you like it or not, our market niche doesn't make alot of money for the manufactuers right now - family cars/SUV's do.

I dont know if that pertains to you exactly...but it does to the majority of people who rant and rave on here. We all get pissed, however some of us need to learn restraint when faced with lack of knowledge and patience.

Just my $.02

-Rich</font>

Hey Rich,

That would be great advice if we were trying to nurture children or grow tomato plants. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

INTENSS
06-13-2002, 01:13 AM
Hey...whatever works, ya know? http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

-Rich

Chuck!
06-13-2002, 03:37 AM
For the love of god upgrade to Windows 2000! Burn your ME CD and then piss on the ashes, that steaming pile of ****.

Ude-lose
06-13-2002, 05:03 AM
Hey RED PLANET im only new to this board and I'm aussie , what do you think of the Holden , great news isnt it????? being the GTO and all...

formula79
06-13-2002, 07:34 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chuck!:
For the love of god upgrade to Windows 2000! Burn your ME CD and then piss on the ashes, that steaming pile of ****.</font>

I have been trying to help him with this...damn old Celeron computers..I think thats his problem

2K1SunsetSS
06-13-2002, 02:23 PM
Seriously get rid of ME, it sucks. http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

As the song goes by Mr Jon Bon Jovi "Keep the faith" and that is what we have to do.

Thanks for everything you do.

Tom http://web.camaross.com/bb/cool.gif

guionM
06-13-2002, 03:19 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by INTENSS:
Knowledge of the industry as a whole, how things get done in it, hierarchy, what consumers want, etc....

Patience meaning waiting a little while for what you want to come out. Sometimes you just have to wait for things. Whether you like it or not, our market niche doesn't make alot of money for the manufactuers right now - family cars/SUV's do.

I dont know if that pertains to you exactly...but it does to the majority of people who rant and rave on here. We all get pissed, however some of us need to learn restraint when faced with lack of knowledge and patience.

Just my $.02

-Rich</font>

I see what you mean. However, as far as patience goes, people that "jump ship" because other companies have what they want while a particular company doesn't are far from posers (no I don't think you meant it that way, just want to clear it up for anyone that may see it that way though http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif ).

I have a 97 which I didn't replace with a new Camaro (had a golden opportunity to get a new police version last winter) because I wasn't going to go into debt for something nearly identical to what I already have. But will I wait till my car is 10 years old before I buy a new one? No way.

If GTO is reasonably priced, GM still get's my business. If not, I'd have to take a good long look at the new Mustang or DCX, and I could be considered a ship jumper because what I want isn't produced by the company I prefer.

99SilverSS
06-13-2002, 03:45 PM
I'll see ya at SLP in Columbus and Bowling Green later in the year! (When you quit smoking) http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif Drop me a e-mail when you get back in Motown.

GO WINGS!

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ronssito
06-13-2002, 08:07 PM
Thanks...Fbodfather!!!

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Caps94ZODG
06-15-2002, 04:35 AM
Hey Red..hope ya forgive me..but like you said the F-Body is a passion that when I bought it never thought I would get into..well now I am..and that passion can go to love or hate..the love is for the Camaro the hate if for GM cancelling it..thats where the hate lies and anyone undermining the ability to produce some great cars should be hung...
ONE THING guys...maybee IM reading into it..but I do think Red does bring some fact to the table...GM is turning around for performance..the GMPD is heading out the door with a bang..could this be ashot that gets us back to the Camaro?? its not a hint or anything but I think for future that the nightly unpaid work into a 5th gen will pay off when presented to Lutz as a performace car...just need to get done by the numerous people that wont get the mention but will bring it back..will it be soon? its up to Lutz..he can bring it back fast than anyone...and there is work done already..just not official work but its there........thats about that..
Hey Red if we meet will you sign my car??? lol http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif .any chance of coming to Boston for the July 21 gathering???

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guionM
06-15-2002, 11:54 AM
I'm sure Mr Lutz will bring it back as soon as possible, but he has a full plate right now. Just imagine, GM is redesigning or replacing every model in less than 4 years. Even the just intoduced CTS will have a new interior in the next couple of years.

I believe the case for Camaro has all but been made. There is a invasion of sporty coupes on the horizon (not just from Ford & Chrysler either). Everyone in the Chevrolet Motor Division want's Camaro, right up to Chevy's General manager.

I think as soon as a economical plant is made & GM's bigger products have cleared the launch pad, we'll see another Camaro.

stars1010
06-15-2002, 04:59 PM
I'd also like to say thanks to Scott. Not only for this great update and reassurance in GM's future but for once again being a great guy to talk to the little guys. I'd also like to personally thank him for helping out my future. You probably don’t remember but I sent you an email and made a post concerning my wanting to get into the car industry. You shot me back a lot of ideas and I’m greatly applicative. I'd like to shoot you back some info. I’ve enrolled at Texas Tech Universities ME program and I cant wait to graduate from there or hopefully somewhere better in the next 4 or 5 years. I want to jump into the industry as soon as possible to help the up keep on the 5th gen, the 6th gen or many other exciting cars in our future. I hope one day to meet you. Keep up the good stuff. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif Once again thanks.

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INTENSS
06-15-2002, 05:38 PM
guionM - I understand what you're saying. Its just that some people make comments and attack people when they dont have a clue. The result is some of the personal bashing we've seen on here when they (and us) don't know the full story.

I also agree that people can (and should) shop for whatever is right for them. However, I will continue to drive new GM vehicles. If nothin new from them fits my needs...I will hit the used car market. My next car was going to be a black 96 Impala SS (when the funds become available), but it looks like the GTO will be worth a look if the price/performance is right. http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif Maybe even a new RWD V8 Monte SS?? That would be sweet...

-Rich

guionM
06-15-2002, 09:28 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by INTENSS:
guionM - I understand what you're saying. Its just that some people make comments and attack people when they dont have a clue. The result is some of the personal bashing we've seen on here when they (and us) don't know the full story.

I also agree that people can (and should) shop for whatever is right for them. However, I will continue to drive new GM vehicles. If nothin new from them fits my needs...I will hit the used car market. My next car was going to be a black 96 Impala SS (when the funds become available), but it looks like the GTO will be worth a look if the price/performance is right. http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif Maybe even a new RWD V8 Monte SS?? That would be sweet...

-Rich</font>

Good choice! I think the Impala SS is (next to actually making Corvette powered Camaros & Firebirds) the best thing that came out of GM in the 90s. It was one of my choices when it came time to replace the T-Bird. If I hadn't had the use of a 93Z for a few months...? http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

I know what you mean about the price. They are all over LA, but try to find a good one for under 20 grand!

poSSum
06-17-2002, 11:28 AM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Red Planet:
Who’s coming to ..... or SLP day in Columbus?</font>

See U there Scott! http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

jcamere94z28
06-17-2002, 03:47 PM
Glad you still hang around!!!

I think the board needed to hear/see your voice/writting.

You got AOL Mail. Hopefully you still check it from time to time.

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Wease
06-21-2002, 05:12 PM
I'll be in Bowling Green and hopefully I'll get to meet the "F-BodFather". http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

One other thing: We're excited about the GTO, but what us older, family guys (OK, I'm only 28, but... http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif) really want is the Holden Commodore here as the new Impala SS. Make sure the powers that be at GM know that. If they remember how well the 1994-96 Impala SS sold, they will hopefully already be making plans to bring the Commodore here. There, I've said what I wanted you to hear. Keep up the good work and don't let us down... http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

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