So whats the story w/ the Pirelli tires?

I've noticed them for a while now, but don't recall if we've ever had a talk about them. Goodyear has been on Camaro since at least the 70's I think, same as the Corvette. The ZR1 gets Michelin rubber now I believe, and now the Camaro is getting Pirelli. Did GM sign an exclusive deal for this, did GY back out, or what. These are the same tires that my Shelby GT-H had, not sure if they're on the GT's, but I think they are.

Anyone have any thoughts or info? Personally, I wish they would use GY GS-D3s, those things are awesome, and a pretty good price too.

DOH: forgot about the wheel and tire section

My thoughts/guess is that Chevrolet offered up criteria for a tire manufacturer to meet including quality, performance, and cost and Pirelli met the criteria the best.

For example, I know that the all-season tires had some very stiff requirements and what is on it would up having 80% of the same capability as a snow tire.

i wish they would have gone with good year. their local and i like their tires but their too expensive. pirelli are cheaper.

Those All-Season Goodyear GSC's that came on the 4th Gen Camaros and TransAms were the worst tire I've ever owned, bad performance on Dry, Wet and Snow. I'm glad Goodyears aren't coming on this one...

Never liked any set of GY's on any GM car I've ever bought with them down to the terrible F1 Supercars on the Z06. Pathetic tire for a great car. Frankly it's good riddance imo regarding GY and GM.

i wish they would have gone with good year. their local and i like their tires but their too expensive. pirelli are cheaper.

The summer Pirelli tires on the SS are not that much cheaper than GY!

Never liked any set of GY's on any GM car I've ever bought with them down to the terrible F1 Supercars on the Z06. Pathetic tire for a great car. Frankly it's good riddance imo regarding GY and GM.

I think they are very good performance tires...as far as getting much time/wear out of them, well that is a different story. Unfortunately with most very good performance tires, the rubber is sticky but the treads are not that deep, resulting in a short tire life.

The summer Pirelli tires on the SS are not that much cheaper than GY!

oh yeah they are. the goodyear eagle f1 supercars are super expensive. for my dads vette they were like 400+ for the fronts and almost 500+ each for the rears.

Those All-Season Goodyear GSC's that came on the 4th Gen Camaros and TransAms were the worst tire I've ever owned, bad performance on Dry, Wet and Snow. I'm glad Goodyears aren't coming on this one...

got some bad news for you then. these pirelli summer tires that come on the ss are going to be 10x worse in the snow than the goodyears on the 4th gen.

got some bad news for you then. these pirelli summer tires that come on the ss are going to be 10x worse in the snow than the goodyears on the 4th gen.

Why do you think they will be worse?

Could be worse, we could get Firestones like I had on my old 1992 Ford Exploder...

got some bad news for you then. these pirelli summer tires that come on the ss are going to be 10x worse in the snow than the goodyears on the 4th gen.

Winters in the Midwest are harsh... I don't think you can compare tires in winter conditions because its not just the snow, there's also the awful roads below the snow

oh yeah they are. the goodyear eagle f1 supercars are super expensive. for my dads vette they were like 400+ for the fronts and almost 500+ each for the rears.

I already checked out prices on the Pirellis...they are over $400 for the 275's, and that is about the cheapest I have seen.

got some bad news for you then. these pirelli summer tires that come on the ss are going to be 10x worse in the snow than the goodyears on the 4th gen.

They should be about the same, they are similiar tires...I had my '98 SS in the snow once, and only once! Absolutely horrible, but then again the cars are not really built to be driven in the snow!

got some bad news for you then. these pirelli summer tires that come on the ss are going to be 10x worse in the snow than the goodyears on the 4th gen.

Yeah I'm not worried about snow here, I just take the bus. But, if they were not good in the rain/dry, you'd think they'd be okay in the snow. I'm just pointing out that they had no points that I considered satisfactory.

I already checked out prices on the Pirellis...they are over $400 for the 275's, and that is about the cheapest I have seen.

Discount Tire has sizes listed under 2010 SS now. They have P-Zeros for $235 for the rear. Make sure you're looking at the right Pirelli's. I think the Scorpions and Rosso's are around $400, but that's not what the car is coming with. Now if I could just get an insurance quote from someone...

Discount Tire has sizes listed under 2010 SS now. They have P-Zeros for $235 for the rear. Make sure you're looking at the right Pirelli's. I think the Scorpions and Rosso's are around $400, but that's not what the car is coming with. Now if I could just get an insurance quote from someone...

That is not too bad then. I guess it all depends on where you look. I was just looking at the base P-Zeros, not the Scorpions or the Rossos. I still would like to look into run flat tires instead, maybe the GY Supercar EMTs like on the C6 Z51 and Z06. They are a little bit more expensive but IMO are worth it for the extra security and peace of mind.

Scorpion series from Pirelli are for trucks.
The 20's get P Zero Rosso's. They used to be on the Cobalt SS/SC cars.
The Goodyear F1 SC's cost a lot because they are run flats.
Tire rack has the Rosso's listed as OE on a Porsche and for 377 a pop. Man, thats gunna be an expensive tire change.

Why do you think they will be worse?

a performance/dry tire in the snow? i think you could do the math.

I already checked out prices on the Pirellis...they are over $400 for the 275's, and that is about the cheapest I have seen.

where have you been looking? i never pay retail. look on ebay and see how much they are. much cheaper still

Yeah I'm not worried about snow here, I just take the bus. But, if they were not good in the rain/dry, you'd think they'd be okay in the snow. I'm just pointing out that they had no points that I considered satisfactory.

i dont plan on driving mine in the snow either. probably not even the rain.

The 20's get P Zero Rosso's.

I hadn't seen that anywhere. Just that they were P-Zero. Are you sure?

a performance/dry tire in the snow? i think you could do the math.

I understand that, but what would make them worse?

well, theres a reason they make snow tires, summer tires, all season tires. its in the tread pattern, for traction.

well, theres a reason they make snow tires, summer tires, all season tires. its in the tread pattern, for traction.

Sorry, I thought we were comparing summer tire to summer tire.

i wish they would have gone with good year. their local and i like their tires but their too expensive. pirelli are cheaper.
GM cars often lose comparison tests because other cars come with Michelins, Bridgestones, Dunlops, and Pirellis, and the GM cars come with Goodyear.

Goodyear makes a number of good tires, but they never seem to be the ones GM uses.

I, for one, am happy that the ZR1 uses the Michelins, and I'm looking forward to see how the Pirellis perform.

I already checked out prices on the Pirellis...they are over $400 for the 275's, and that is about the cheapest I have seen.
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/searchTireMatchingPairs.do?v=016070%7C2010&r=MILINT%7Cpc%7C48864&mps=-50


The 20's get P Zero Rosso's. They used to be on the Cobalt SS/SC cars.

They're actually P Zero Nero's.

My Saturn came with Pirelli's from the factory.

I agree with JakeRobb that while Goodyear makes some quality tires, their OEM stuff is garbage.

Sorry, I thought we were comparing summer tire to summer tire.

i was just saying why i thought the pirelli summer tires on the 20" would be bad in the snow. even if we are comparing the summer tire to summer tire, i dont think a summer tire would perform very well in the snow.

GM cars often lose comparison tests because other cars come with Michelins, Bridgestones, Dunlops, and Pirellis, and the GM cars come with Goodyear.

Goodyear makes a number of good tires, but they never seem to be the ones GM uses.

I, for one, am happy that the ZR1 uses the Michelins, and I'm looking forward to see how the Pirellis perform.


http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/searchTireMatchingPairs.do?v=016070%7C2010&r=MILINT%7Cpc%7C48864&mps=-50



They're actually P Zero Nero's.
the eagle f1's on the regular vettes are good tires. dont last long but they are pretty sticky.

the eagle f1's on the regular vettes are good tires. dont last long but they are pretty sticky.

They're fine for daily driving, but under more demanding conditions, they don't measure up to the Michelins.

The Michelins are extremely expensive, but they're worth every penny. I'll be putting Pilot Sport PS2's on my car the next time I need tires. :)

I think they are very good performance tires...as far as getting much time/wear out of them, well that is a different story. Unfortunately with most very good performance tires, the rubber is sticky but the treads are not that deep, resulting in a short tire life.

Except with the GY's F1 SC's they are not sticky and they only have 6/32's tread depth and a 220 tread wear rating. If driven normally these tires will actually net an easy 12k-15k miles but they just don't perform. I've never seen a real performance tire from another tire manufacturer come with a tread depth of 6/32's. All that I have seen have at least 8/32's. I think the biggest factor regarding tread life is the tread wear rating and not the depth although it obviously contributes. If you spend some time over at CF in the Z06 section you will find that next to nobody is replacing their GY's with GY's. Most are opting for Michelin's or Nitto's.

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They're actually P Zero Nero's.

I checked out a ton of pics I have saved of up close of the tires. Almost everyone I looked at had just plain P-Zeros. I did see a few with P-Zero Nero, but only a few. I did see the one SS that was driven down from Canada to Florida had the Scorpion snow/ice tires on it, but that obviously was done on purpose and they are not factory tires.

Except with the GY's F1 SC's they are not sticky and they only have 6/32's tread depth and a 220 tread wear rating. If driven normally these tires will actually net an easy 12k-15k miles but they just don't perform. I've never seen a real performance tire from another tire manufacturer come with a tread depth of 6/32's. All that I have seen have at least 8/32's. I think the biggest factor regarding tread life is the tread wear rating and not the depth although it obviously contributes. If you spend some time over at CF in the Z06 section you will find that next to nobody is replacing their GY's with GY's. Most are opting for Michelin's or Nitto's.

The non supercar tires are actually a better tire, not as sticky but a llot better tread wear on them. I actually liked my GY Eagle F1's on my '98 SS. I did not overly abuse them and they actually held up pretty well. I just like the price of GY tires in general. I had the RSA's on my '06 CTS, horrible wear rating...rubber is way too soft on those tires and they are not really needed on a CTS. I am hoping the Pirellis hold up pretty well and perform well.

I checked out a ton of pics I have saved of up close of the tires. Almost everyone I looked at had just plain P-Zeros. I did see a few with P-Zero Nero, but only a few. I did see the one SS that was driven down from Canada to Florida had the Scorpion snow/ice tires on it, but that obviously was done on purpose and they are not factory tires.

If I remember correctly, the 19" tires on the 2LT are regular P Zero, and the 20" tires on the SS are P Zero Nero.

If I remember correctly, the 19" tires on the 2LT are regular P Zero, and the 20" tires on the SS are P Zero Nero.

Possibly different from the front to back as well....per Pirelli's website, they don't make Neros in 275/40/20. I didn't check on the front size.

Those All-Season Goodyear GSC's that came on the 4th Gen Camaros and TransAms were the worst tire I've ever owned, bad performance on Dry, Wet and Snow. I'm glad Goodyears aren't coming on this one...

Goodyear Eagle GS-C's were a summer tire. The all-season option was the Goodyear RS-A.

As for tires being sticky, there is lateral grip, forward bite, and adverse weather. Eagle F1's were in no way a drag tire, and people used to complain about them at the drag strip. My Michelin XGT Z4's had great lateral grip, were great in the rain, but could not put the power down for drag racing.

So does anybody know what would be a good tire for drag racing?

So does anybody know what would be a good tire for drag racing?

Nitto makes a 20" drag radial.

http://www.nittotire.com/#index.tire.nt555r.overview

dont know bout u guys but mycamaro is not gettin driven in the winter regaurdless gettin locked up in the heated garage n all nice n covered up

I remember back in '99 a lot of handling tests in magazines were finding that Goodyear, Pirelli, Dunlop, Yoko's and the like weren't performing as well as cars with BFGoodrich g-force tires. Cars like the Cobra R were achieving 1.01 lateral G with those tires and weren't able to do it with other tires. I'm sure in 10 years everyone else has caught up, but why not go with the BFG g-force?

Here's a list (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=UHP&width=295%2F&ratio=40&diameter=20&tireSearch=true) of ratings based on performance and longevity from Tire Rack, just to browse.

tire manufacturers are gonna have to step up their game because I was looking through the oe and replacement size options(315/35/20 for example) and not much car performance tires to choose from yet. Most of the tires Im putting on crossover vehicles like X5, Murano/FX35(45). I did notice though that with the bolt pattern and tire sizes that an X5 wheels with 20 inch package should bolt right up, and that rear is a nice fat tire too. Could probably find those used for a good price

Pirelli is bringing winter fitments for the Camaro meeting the load index rating and in the right sizes. Scorpion Ice and snow which is a good winter tire used on many euro cars 245/55/18, 245/50/19, 245/45/20 and 275/40/20. They are available as we speak.

I asked my local dealer about the stock summer 20 and 21 inch option in the PZERO he says that it is one of the top tires in the world, it comes on basically every exotic car in the world. Lambo, Ferrari, Bentley, etc.

If I remember correctly, the 19" tires on the 2LT are regular P Zero, and the 20" tires on the SS are P Zero Nero.

Possibly different from the front to back as well....per Pirelli's website, they don't make Neros in 275/40/20. I didn't check on the front size.

here is the deal on the OE tire fitments for the Camaro, since you guys are confused

245/55/18 BFG
245/50/19 Pirelli PZERO NERO A/S (all season)
245/40/20 275/40/20 PZERO (summer)
245/40/21 and 275/35/21 PZERO (summer) (dealer option)