Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
6.2L and 6.0L are very close in size. And the next Vette engine is said to be 6.2L. Based on GMs history I would expect the 6.0L to go away, but since new 6.0Ls are still coming out It looks like GM plans to keep two V8's in the 6.0-6.2L range.
L76 is Holdens new Gen IV 6.0L as well as the Vortec Max in the Silverado. And DoD and VVT 6.0L's
L76 is Holdens new Gen IV 6.0L as well as the Vortec Max in the Silverado. And DoD and VVT 6.0L's
Last edited by Z28x; Oct 6, 2006 at 02:17 PM.
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
Originally Posted by Z28x
6.2L and 6.0L are very close in size. And the next Vette engine is said to be 6.2L. Based on GMs history I would expect the 6.0L to go away, but since new 6.0Ls are still coming out It looks like GM plans to keep two V8's in the 6.0-6.2L range.
L76 is Holdens new Gen IV 6.0L as well as the Vortec Max in the Silverado. And DoD and VVT 6.0L's
L76 is Holdens new Gen IV 6.0L as well as the Vortec Max in the Silverado. And DoD and VVT 6.0L's
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
I've heard two stories, and I'm not quite sure on which one is more right.
Story 1: The 6.2 will replace the 6.0 across the board.
Story 2: The 6.0 will remain even with the 6.2, in an attempt to differentiate different horsepower offerings.
At any rate, I would strongly doubt a 6.0 ever making it into a 5th gen Camaro.
Story 1: The 6.2 will replace the 6.0 across the board.
Story 2: The 6.0 will remain even with the 6.2, in an attempt to differentiate different horsepower offerings.
At any rate, I would strongly doubt a 6.0 ever making it into a 5th gen Camaro.
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
Originally Posted by Z284ever
Story 2: The 6.0 will remain even with the 6.2, in an attempt to differentiate different horsepower offerings.
6.0L in Chevys, 6.2L in GMC and Cadillacs
6.2L in Z28 and Vette, 6.0L in Impala SS and GTO
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
Originally Posted by Z28x
L76 is Holdens new Gen IV 6.0L as well as the Vortec Max in the Silverado. And DoD and VVT 6.0L's
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
Holden's VE V8 engine is actually codenamed L98. The L76 was used in the VZ. The only difference is the sump, I believe.
Also HSV are still using the LS2.
Also HSV are still using the LS2.
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
Originally Posted by SSbaby
Holden's VE V8 engine is actually codenamed L98.
. I didn't know they were using that code name again. It was a nice, tourquey engine
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
Originally Posted by SSbaby
Holden's VE V8 engine is actually codenamed L98. The L76 was used in the VZ. The only difference is the sump, I believe.
Also HSV are still using the LS2.
Also HSV are still using the LS2.
This is getting a little confusing. It will be hard to train my brain to not think of TPI when I hear L98 from now on.
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
According to some accounts, the 6.0 won't be used in Camaro. Outside of that, I'd be speculating.
I can see the 6.0 being used in Zeta sedans, while Camaro & GTO use 6.2, but we're talking 2-3 years from now, so anything can happen.
Taking out the speculation machine:
*Rule of thumb regarding car versions of LS engines seems to be adding 50 horses over the truck versions. That said, a good prediction of the 6.2 engine's output is probally in the ballpark of 440-450 horses since it's putting out around 400 in Escalades.
*Since the Camaro is about as long as the current GTO, and notably wider, and the CTSv is 3850 while the new Holden VEs run 3725-4023 (V6-V8), it's probally safe to say a new loaded V8 5th gen Camaro should weigh in around the neighborhood of the current GTO's 3700 pounds. About 150 pounds over a fully loaded current Mustang GT (newer ones will be marginally heavier due to a higher horsepower rated structure), which makes sense: Camaro will have IRS and have a structure rated for alot of horsepower out of the starting gate. Both of which adds weight.
*If a "super" Camaro uses Z06 powertrain, it's going to cost well in excess of $40K. Keeping the roughly $15K spread between Camaro & Corvette, and dropping the ZO6's expensive carbon fiber parts and alumunum chassis, a pie in the sky guess would be $45-50,000. If "super" Camaro uses a supercharger & intercooler, that's going to be an extra 200 pounds...minimum. Putting the car at least 3900 pounds. A mere 20 pounds lighter than the current GT500 that's derided as a pig, but it should be about 5-10 grand cheaper than a Z06 based version, say $35-40K in current dollars. Since blowers and intercoolers add at 25-50% horsepower, a 6.0 would run from 5-600 horses. Almost identical to what GT500s have been warranty tested to.
Admittedly lots of speculation here, but I layed out in detail what I base it all on.
On a side note, assuming Chrysler manages to lose 100-200 pounds on the Challenger, it will still weigh in within a 100 pounds of these possible 500+ horse cars from Chevy and Ford. Unless an S/C SRT version puts out over 600 horses (which I'm not dismissing...1) I know their mentality, and 2) they got over half that out of half the number of cylinders) it's going to be outrun.
(Then again, it's going to be in a different class because of it's size
)
I can see the 6.0 being used in Zeta sedans, while Camaro & GTO use 6.2, but we're talking 2-3 years from now, so anything can happen.
Taking out the speculation machine:
*Rule of thumb regarding car versions of LS engines seems to be adding 50 horses over the truck versions. That said, a good prediction of the 6.2 engine's output is probally in the ballpark of 440-450 horses since it's putting out around 400 in Escalades.
*Since the Camaro is about as long as the current GTO, and notably wider, and the CTSv is 3850 while the new Holden VEs run 3725-4023 (V6-V8), it's probally safe to say a new loaded V8 5th gen Camaro should weigh in around the neighborhood of the current GTO's 3700 pounds. About 150 pounds over a fully loaded current Mustang GT (newer ones will be marginally heavier due to a higher horsepower rated structure), which makes sense: Camaro will have IRS and have a structure rated for alot of horsepower out of the starting gate. Both of which adds weight.
*If a "super" Camaro uses Z06 powertrain, it's going to cost well in excess of $40K. Keeping the roughly $15K spread between Camaro & Corvette, and dropping the ZO6's expensive carbon fiber parts and alumunum chassis, a pie in the sky guess would be $45-50,000. If "super" Camaro uses a supercharger & intercooler, that's going to be an extra 200 pounds...minimum. Putting the car at least 3900 pounds. A mere 20 pounds lighter than the current GT500 that's derided as a pig, but it should be about 5-10 grand cheaper than a Z06 based version, say $35-40K in current dollars. Since blowers and intercoolers add at 25-50% horsepower, a 6.0 would run from 5-600 horses. Almost identical to what GT500s have been warranty tested to.
Admittedly lots of speculation here, but I layed out in detail what I base it all on.
On a side note, assuming Chrysler manages to lose 100-200 pounds on the Challenger, it will still weigh in within a 100 pounds of these possible 500+ horse cars from Chevy and Ford. Unless an S/C SRT version puts out over 600 horses (which I'm not dismissing...1) I know their mentality, and 2) they got over half that out of half the number of cylinders) it's going to be outrun.
(Then again, it's going to be in a different class because of it's size
)
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
Originally Posted by CLEAN
Is that an Austrailian-only thing? The original Tuned Port 350ci (5.7L)that came out in 1985 was L98 on this side
. I didn't know they were using that code name again. It was a nice, tourquey engine
. I didn't know they were using that code name again. It was a nice, tourquey engineIt's not to be confused with the 350ci.
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
hmm.. a little more research show GM is calling Holdens Gen IV 6.0L a L98
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Commodore
http://www.caradvice.com.au/613/60l-...v8-l98-engine/
So correct me if I'm wrong but the L98 is just a L76 without DoD?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Commodore
It has a new revised version of the 6.0 L L76 V8 known as the L98 which unlike the L76, does not support Displacement on Demand.
So correct me if I'm wrong but the L98 is just a L76 without DoD?
Re: Whats the future of the 6.0L Displacement?
Originally Posted by Z28x
hmm.. a little more research show GM is calling Holdens Gen IV 6.0L a L98
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Commodore
http://www.caradvice.com.au/613/60l-...v8-l98-engine/
So correct me if I'm wrong but the L98 is just a L76 without DoD?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Commodore
http://www.caradvice.com.au/613/60l-...v8-l98-engine/
So correct me if I'm wrong but the L98 is just a L76 without DoD?
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