Dibz28 Camaro Concept Comments

I gave it an 8. I love the body style, the cowl hood, the 69 grille, and the georgous lighted leather interior. However, I'm not a fan of the total 69 retro gauge package location. I don't like the idea of having to look down to see the fuel, water, amps and oil pressure. I do like the large RPM & Speedo gauge but I would have liked to have the remaining 4 gauges in front of the dash like the 2nd generation. Also, I would of liked to have seen the rear end look more like the 70-73 model year with the circle lights instead of the vette like rear end.

Would like to hear your comments about my comments.

DIBZ28

I'm sure the interior will look quite different on the production version. I think the interior could use some changes too.

If you made the tail lights round, than it would actually look like a Vette.

The lights it has now are perfect. They combine the 67 square look, with the later round ones.:cool:

we're getting a lot of negative comments about the gages in the console.

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

I agree that the gages in that location are by no means driver friendly.

It was a design cue from the 69 Camaro that was put into the concept to judge public acceptance (or lack thereof!) That's one of the reasons it's wise to do a concept first!

Please......if you haven't already done so......give us your feedback at
www.chevrolet.com --then click on 'contact us'

Please understand that you will get a form letter back..simply due to the volume of email we receive.....but you can be assured that every email will be read....and forwarded on to the parties that need to see your comments.

I am not a big fan of the gauges either, but as Scott said it is a concept. I already sent my feedback to GM back on January 10th. I am thinking of doing a follow-up letter.

Also it was surprising for you to show up on nastyz28, Fbodfather.

I didn't much care for the retro instrument panel nor the gauges in the console.

I agree. The guages in the console look kinda cool, but I know they would get annoying. I had a trio of gauges in that area on an old truck and it was awful having to look down at them all the time. I'd rather spend the extra time it takes to look down at those gauges with my eyes on the road.

I'd leave the gauges in the dash where they belong and extend the console up into the dash like a modern car.

I'm also not one for HUD's. I'm not James Bond.:p

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

If the gauges are going to end up being where they are on the production vehicle, then the HUD would definetly help. I think the production car would be better off with better laid out gauges in the first place though, as well as the HUD option on top of it.

we're getting a lot of negative comments about the gages in the console.

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

I agree that the gages in that location are by no means driver friendly.

You guys should change out the yellow-orange, for a blue-ish color or something more easy on the eyes.

I don't hate them, but if someone told me that they were gaudy, I would be able to see their point of view. :)

I do like the one that was in the Colorado Cruz Concept though. :) The Camaro Concept seems too circular.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4791/2004chevroletcoloradocruzinter1.th.jpg

we're getting a lot of negative comments about the gages in the console.

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

I agree that the gages in that location are by no means driver friendly.

It was a design cue from the 69 Camaro that was put into the concept to judge public acceptance (or lack thereof!) That's one of the reasons it's wise to do a concept first!

Please......if you haven't already done so......give us your feedback at
www.chevrolet.com --then click on 'contact us'

Please understand that you will get a form letter back..simply due to the volume of email we receive.....but you can be assured that every email will be read....and forwarded on to the parties that need to see your comments.

Actualy yes. If you look at the problems Fords been having with the Mustang and switching the gauges back and forth with from Mustang GT to Mustang Shelby where they are reversed. (because you cant see the tach through your left arm) Heads up display would be an awesome soloution. Would the tach be heads up too? What would be included? I love my brothers 02 Grand Prix GXP heads up

That Hugger orange is blinding in that interior. Literally in some shots. I thought you guys were going for 67 look when I saw those big gauges sticking out. I didnt see the 69 in it baring the gauges in front of the stick till I saw a pic(building of the concept GMI) without the glitz. I have to go back and fourth from the pre orange photos of it to judge it fairly.

The interior definately needs the 1st Gen Camaro Script somewhere in the now hugger orange part passenger side.

The origional 69 Dashpad gives a nice flat top that keeps the look even. The concept seems to have a hint of it but it is raised in the center.There seems to be a second dash pad under it that actualy runs into the top of the gauges. The two dash pad look is too much I think but the bottom one does have nice lines that curve to the door. Maybe if the bottom dash pad line came from the doors and has the same angle but was raised to the top and went over top the gauges instead of them being exposed? Before someone says something, yes I do realize it is one dash board now not too dash pads. It is the perception of them I am talking about.

The face of the gauges in front of the stick, would have got at least a little better reception if they were white.

Am I seeing 57 Belair curve of bottom of dash. The curve at the bottom also give the dash at least the tip of the 4th gen look wich not only preceived as imposing but my shins hit in my 98 Could it be pulled back from leg room a touch? It curves back in at the middle like the 57 BelAir which doesnt fit.

Edited to say: I hope this is taken as constructive.

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

I agree that the gages in that location are by no means driver friendly.


I like the location of the gauge pod on the Monaro/HSV/optional on the GTO... above the center console, angled to the driver. I think the gauges ahead of the shifter, while retro and cool in a concept car, are not a good idea at all on a production model (look at all of the flack cars like the Echo and Ion took for their center-mounted gauges/speedo for the whole car).

A HUD is a great idea. A customizable HUD is an even better idea (let me control what's shown in the display). The GTO has the nice DIC but I find myself constantly flipping through screens because I can't customize what information is displayed in the side screens (and I want to keep the digital speedo active in the center, though I'd prefer if it were a HUD like the wife's GTP had - that sure was a ticket-saver :-)

Actually the guages are much closer to the 67-68 layout. 1969 had two big guages, but they weren't in "pods" like 1967 and 1968.

we're getting a lot of negative comments about the gages in the console.

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

I agree that the gages in that location are by no means driver friendly.

It was a design cue from the 69 Camaro that was put into the concept to judge public acceptance (or lack thereof!) That's one of the reasons it's wise to do a concept first!

Please......if you haven't already done so......give us your feedback at
www.chevrolet.com --then click on 'contact us'

Please understand that you will get a form letter back..simply due to the volume of email we receive.....but you can be assured that every email will be read....and forwarded on to the parties that need to see your comments.

I dont care about the guages one way or the other! I dont spend my time staring at them in any of my current vehicles so I doubt it will draw my attention in this one. The HUD in any case would be great! I would love a HUD in this car!

HUD= GOOD

I would like something tasteful in the interior package sort of a modern interior with heritage cues :D (ala mustang, omg I said it kill me now!!!)

You guys should change out the yellow-orange, for a blue-ish color or something more easy on the eyes.



Ditto that. The orange is not eye friendly. Example: The one thing I really dislike about our '98 & '99 is the glaring red odometer readout that cannot be dimmed with the rest of the dash, not to mention it looks like a red warning light when you're not looking directly at it. If I could change the color of it, I would. It fatigues the eyes when driving at night for any length of time.

I am not a fan of the important gauges there (Fuel, Temp), but I think it is a cool location for the aux. gauges.

I love HUD!

we're getting a lot of negative comments about the gages in the console.
Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

I agree that the gages in that location are by no means driver friendly.


I like them, and I would buy them as a cost-option.

As a C5 Corvette owner, I can speak many praises of the HUD-- I absolutely love it!!! I really like the asthetic of the console gages, and expected when I saw it on the concept that it would most likely be an option-only thing, which would be perfect for people like me, who would absolutely love to have it, (the look that it conveys: ALL business, Hell Yes!!) while allowing others to have a (less? ;) ) traditional cluster layout. As long as the important info is also showed on the HUD (a low-gas signal, warnings, etc...) why the hell would you NOT want such a cool looking thing?

I'm still of the opinion that, properly executed and layed-out, a HUD is one of the best things ever-- the C5's has a few flaws, but is easily one of my favorite features of the car. When not over-gimmicked, it has many positive things to add to the driving experience, not the least of which safety.

Keep the console cluster-- just make it an option for Z/28 or SS buyers...

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?



The would be okay for the aux. gages. - trip odometer, fuel economy, voltage, etc. However, instead of HUD, I would prefer that the gages in the conventional location could be customized - similar to the current GTO.

Randy

You know what would be really sweet on the 5th gen? A temp gauge that actually worked in real time again, like on the 98s.

I didn't much care for the retro instrument panel nor the gauges in the console.

agreed 100%. The guages down there seem like they unnecessarily take up a lot of room and also make the interior look a lot less smooth.

HUD would be a VERY nice option to have though

Please understand that you will get a form letter back..simply due to the volume of email we receive.....but you can be assured that every email will be read....and forwarded on to the parties that need to see your comments.
Why doesn't GM have an official spokesperson for the Internet boards?
This is 06, the internet is a huge form of FREE advertising and FREE marketing research. I know you are on here, but it's not your real job.
I would think someday the big 3 will realize how many people they can reach online on message boards like this. How much free feedback they can get, How they can even get photoshops of what someone wants to see and then have 50 people comment and get an instant feel for how well it is recieved without ever lifting a finger.
How they can get a free feel for what options people want and what percentage would be willing to pay what for them.
They can ease complaints, such as ones about weight, by actually reaching a message board with 10,000+users and explaining in detail why it is what it is. This makes the customer(us) feel like we matter and are important much more then a form letter.
There are so many other benefits ,I just for the life of me can't figure out why someone from the big 3 hasn't jumped on this. I'm sure someday someone will and there will be a fulltime person that just types on large message boards all over the internet doing some PR work. I just wonder why not now.

Actually the guages are much closer to the 67-68 layout. 1969 had two big guages, but they weren't in "pods" like 1967 and 1968.

Not when you really look at them. The Dash pad that went across the top of the 69 is pulled way back in the concept exposing the tops of the guages(Tach and Speedo). It looks to be similar when you look at it without the bling. Remember origionally alot of that Orange was black...

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25453&page=1&pp=20

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

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That would be sort of a gimmick, bundling the unuseable gauges with the HUD.

HUD would be cool but still, if the retro look inside was kept, I'd really dislike it.

Please please please, no retro look inside. No guages by the shifter, I dont feel like rearending a semi truck as a result of looking at one of them down there.

I like the guages in the console. Combined that with a HUD would be great. At least make console guages an option..

Scott-Please, if a HUD is to be incorporated, make it an option. I'm not saying I want roll up windows and such, but the Camaro needs to be somewhat simple, I don't need navigation, climate control, hud, heated seats, stability control, and such. ABS/TCS is great for most driving, and I really don't need a power seat for my passenger. Look at the way the Mustang is equipped, and selling quite well, I may add.
Just a thought.
:)

I like the idea of the HUD, I've been wanting one since GM starting using them years ago. But like above I'd be worried about it being attached to a larger expensive option package w/ a bigass nav screen/AC control/radio control thing in my dash and whatever accompanying crap. I don't really want that other stuff, that would cost like $2k or more.

I actually really like the idea of some gauges down by the shifter, I had thought of doing a custom project to add some gauges like a tranny temp gauge, oil temp gauge etc down in a similar location (instead of the ashtray) on my thirdgens. Never got around to doing it. However, I don't like the idea of my fuel level, oil pressure, engine temp, or voltage (ok, maybe voltage) gauges being down there. It's not a deal breaker but I like more of a cockpit feel and having those gauges tucked that far down there seems old fashioned (which I guess it is). I'd rather have those kinds of gauges over to the side more towards the middle of a dash in a panel that is angled towards the driver or something (to help add some "wrap around" cockpit feel to the dash setup) if they can't be right w/ the speedo and tach.

Maybe you guys are deliberately trying to get rid of it due to some complaints or it being a little extreme for teenage girls and the like, but I like the center console that flows up into the dash and then forms a bit of a "wrap around" feel for the driver like the 4thgens. In fact if it didn't have a aircraft carrier deck for a upper dash panel I'd say the dash and gauge setup on the 4thgens is one of the better setups I've ever used... It's extremely sweet IMO and I really dig it, definitely has a cockpit feel.

A HUD along w/ those gauges down there is better than nothing though, I think I already said it but as long as all the gauges are decent looking (I thought the concept gauges looked hideous and near unusable regardless of positioning, maybe it would help alot of people if they were realistic looking gauges) it's not a deal breaker...

Hmm, I did a quick edit on the interior image since I feel the gauges used in the concept really hurt getting a feel for that layout.

I'm not very good at image editing and this was just supposed to be quick and dirty anyway, still has orange crap showing around and stuff, but I think with something that actually resembles gauges the layout actually isn't too bad:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/s/jstriet/camaro/Cam-int-edited.jpg

Hmm, I did a quick edit on the interior image since I feel the gauges used in the concept really hurt getting a feel for that layout.

I'm not very good at image editing and this was just supposed to be quick and dirty anyway, still has orange crap showing around and stuff, but I think with something that actually resembles gauges the layout actually isn't too bad:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/s/jstriet/camaro/Cam-int-edited.jpg

Can you turn the orange a soft blue?

we're getting a lot of negative comments about the gages in the console.

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

I agree that the gages in that location are by no means driver friendly.

It was a design cue from the 69 Camaro that was put into the concept to judge public acceptance (or lack thereof!) That's one of the reasons it's wise to do a concept first!

Please......if you haven't already done so......give us your feedback at
www.chevrolet.com --then click on 'contact us'

Please understand that you will get a form letter back..simply due to the volume of email we receive.....but you can be assured that every email will be read....and forwarded on to the parties that need to see your comments.

Just wanted to say WOW! I did as you said, commented on the gauges and the possibility of having a HUD, along with the gauges in the console. Not only did I get a phone call thanking me for my comment and assuring me I'd get a follow-up email, but I got the follow-up email the next day.

Not that I doubted you, but it was a great feeling to get the phone call and know that people really do read the comments.

Thanks!

I keep going back and looking at this interior concept. I have to honestly say that there is nothing about it that I like. I despise the retro theme (I like the exterior though); Gauges in the console are ridiculous; Gauges are supposed to give information to the driver. If you are going to put them this far out of the line of sight, they may as well be in the trunk.

A HUD would be a nice option. It won’t make up for a bad interior design.

The interior needs to be modern, well styled, sporty and functional. It should be well built with good materials and good fit and finish.

GM, I am begging you, please, please please! Scrap this interior design and start over!!!

NO RETRO IN THE INTERIOR!

I keep going back and looking at this interior concept. I have to honestly say that there is nothing about it that I like. I despise the retro theme (I like the exterior though); Gauges in the console are ridiculous; Gauges are supposed to give information to the driver. If you are going to put them this far out of the line of sight, they may as well be in the trunk.

A HUD would be a nice option. It won’t make up for a bad interior design.

The interior needs to be modern, well styled, sporty and functional. It should be well built with good materials and good fit and finish.

GM, I am begging you, please, please please! Scrap this interior design and start over!!!

NO RETRO IN THE INTERIOR!

Dont you think thats exagerating just a touch? The interior has distracting reflective orange trim and too much chrome around the gauges. No camaro ever had that. I see BelAir lines in it. I dont think it ever had a chance.

Lets compare them,

1969 instrument cluster all blacked out the way it came with a little chrome around the gauges, also covered by the black dash pad that went straight across over the top. Origional 69 and all blacked out. Much more room than 4th gen, and stylish. The White gauges infront of the gear selector instead of reflective orange much more attractive.
http://i4.ebayimg.com/04/i/05/fe/76/10_3.JPG

The gauges have way too much chrome extending above and past the dash pad in the concept.
http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/01/Camaro-Binnacle-closeup-450.jpg

Another 1969 from a different angle. Again no bulge at your legs.
http://www.clarionconst.com/images/Cars/2003/Large/69CamaroInteriorDetail2003large.gif

The bulge in the bottom of the dash didnt come from 69 however looks 4th gen/ Belair the way it comes back in. It doesnt belong. I think a smooth Vette angled glove blox would give it a better look. Its also imposing on real and percieved room. The doors are beautiful and look like they came right off the vette but the reflective orange hurts the look.
http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/01/Camaro-Interior-1-450.jpg

and the best automatic gear selector GMs ever produced again 1969 I truly hope this makes the production automatics.
http://i24.ebayimg.com/03/i/06/05/0e/a9_3.JPG

You know being one that loved my 1st gen car and still love them the gauges down there was one of the very things I truely loved about the car. 90% of people never look at a gauge driving unless a warning light comes on first anyway and it seems like alot belong to the club that can't chew gum and walk at the same time. If every thing was changed on the car that has been stated on boards I will forget about getting one. The car as is is 98% what I dreamed of

AMEN Mike!!

Dont you think thats exagerating just a touch? The interior has distracting reflective orange trim and too much chrome around the gauges. No camaro ever had that. I see BelAir lines in it. I dont think it ever had a chance.



No it is not an exageration at all. I did not say this interior was an exact copy of a 69 camaro. I said that it is Retro (60s Camaro or 60 Belair is irrelevant, Still retro none the less). Did I mention I hated the retro theme.

I find the interior ugly, sorry but that is my opinion.
Useless gauges put in the console just be different, or worse, just to be 60s is still ridiculous.

Consumers of cars built in this decade have very high expectations of interior design. This one does not cut it. Sorry but the bar has been raised substantially since the 60s.

No it is not an exageration at all. I did not say this interior was an exact copy of a 69 camaro. I said that it is Retro (60s Camaro or 60 Belair is irrelevant, Still retro none the less). Did I mention I hated the retro theme.

I find the interior ugly, sorry but that is my opinion.
Useless gauges put in the console just be different, or worse, just to be 60s is still ridiculous.

Consumers of cars built in this decade have very high expectations of interior design. This one does not cut it. Sorry but the bar has been raised substantially since the 60s.

how is it irrelevant? You say its changed since the 60's but you dont care that it has belair lines from the 50's NOT 60's I said I would like things changed in the interior which you completely ignored. Yes you said you hated retro but nothing else you said made sense. Your whole argument made NO sense other than your opinion you dont like retro, And PLEASE dont site the 4th gen interior as being higher expectations. We get it you dont like retro. Obviously with your belair reference you need to brush up on your history.

I am not very picky as far as most interiors go. I do like the cockpit feel, (look at the 90's supras for the console curving into the dash!). And, although the '93 camaro yellow guages are hated by most, I don't mind them. That being said, out of all the vehicles i've driven (forklifts included ;) ), this guage cluster is the only one that really struck me as nearly unlivable.

To reiterate, put fuel, temp, oil pressure where it should be, in plain sight, and a hud can help fix the rest of the cluster down by the shifter (which I think looks cool...ignoring its functionality). Finally, please just scrap the guages and make something that should be found in a 200X's car. I'll even accept it if it is a repeat of my 93 camaro haha.

Besides that....:bow: :bow:

how is it irrelevant? You say its changed since the 60's but you dont care that it has belair lines from the 50's NOT 60's I said I would like things changed in the interior which you completely ignored. Yes you said you hated retro but nothing else you said made sense. Your whole argument made NO sense other than your opinion you dont like retro, And PLEASE dont site the 4th gen interior as being higher expectations. We get it you dont like retro. Obviously with your belair reference you need to brush up on your history.

I must have missed your point with all of the pictures.

I was trying to make the following points:

1) The interior is very retro. I don't want the interior to be retro. I don't care if it is based off early Camaros, Belairs, Impalas or what ever. I want it to be modern. That is what I meant by irrelevant. i.E. I don't care which car from which decade it is based on. It is still retro. (For the record the Belair reference was made by you. My comment was in response to it) I don't need to brush up on my history? I didn't reference any.

2) I think Gauges put out of the line of sight (i.e. console gauges) defeat the purpose of having the gauges in the first place.

3) Customer expectations for interior design have changed alot since the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. I am talking about functionality, fit, finish, material choices, ect. All I was trying to say is that interior designs that worked in the (enter previous decade here) will not cut it in year 20XX.

Who said anything about 4th gen interiors? For the record that has been my biggest complaint about the 4th gen. The rubber-maid quality interiors. No I don't want it like a 4th gen. I thought the 3rd gen interior was bad, the 4th gen was as bad or worse. That's just it, I don't want it to copy any previous generation I want it to be new and modern.

That is really all I was trying to say.

You said my argument made no since? I didn't realize I was having an argument. I gave my opinion about the interior; You said I was over reacting. I clarified why I don't like the interior.

I must have missed your point with all of the pictures.

I was trying to make the following points:

1) The interior is very retro. I don't want the interior to be retro. I don't care if it is based off early Camaros, Belairs, Impalas or what ever. I want it to be modern. That is what I meant by irrelevant. i.E. I don't care which car from which decade it is based on. It is still retro. (For the record the Belair reference was made by you. My comment was in response to it) I don't need to brush up on my history? I didn't reference any.

2) I think Gauges put out of the line of sight (i.e. console gauges) defeat the purpose of having the gauges in the first place.

3) Customer expectations for interior design have changed alot since the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. I am talking about functionality, fit, finish, material choices, ect. All I was trying to say is that interior designs that worked in the (enter previous decade here) will not cut it in year 20XX.

Who said anything about 4th gen interiors? For the record that has been my biggest complaint about the 4th gen. The rubber-maid quality interiors. No I don't want it like a 4th gen. I thought the 3rd gen interior was bad, the 4th gen was as bad or worse. That's just it, I don't want it to copy any previous generation I want it to be new and modern.

That is really all I was trying to say.

You said my argument made no since? I didn't realize I was having an argument. I gave my opinion about the interior; You said I was over reacting. I clarified why I don't like the interior.

The belair lines were pointed out by me because I didnt think they fit. The point of the pictures was to show the lines I would change. I think the interior can be improved on and still be retro. You seemed to be building an argument for non-retro. which this post did better than your first.

I dont agree with you but at least it is a little more clear I hope, that I would like better 69/c6 lines in the dash as I pointed out and you dont want retro at all

Color coordinate some interior lights, and or dash lights to match the interior colored portions......anybody, some chops maybe??

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?
I had not read this before - but I would DEFINITELY go for that.

I say that I would not mind the gauges on the console so long as their data was backed up w/ a HUD for one reason. When I had my C5, I NEVER LOOKED AT MY GAUGES! The HUD was so well done, that I honest to goodness would go days w/out looking at the IP. Not saying my opinion is worth any more than anyone elses, but for those that haven't used the HUD, it is sooo much easier to work with, and so addictive, that you'll never ever need the main gauges again. So if they put them somewhere out of the way like the console...fine w/ me. I don't look at fuel, coolant, volts, and oil pressure that much anyway..certainly not like the speedo.

GO HUD SCOTT!!!!

I say that I would not mind the gauges on the console so long as their data was backed up w/ a HUD for one reason. When I had my C5, I NEVER LOOKED AT MY GAUGES! The HUD was so well done, that I honest to goodness would go days w/out looking at the IP. Not saying my opinion is worth any more than anyone elses, but for those that haven't used the HUD, it is sooo much easier to work with, and so addictive, that you'll never ever need the main gauges again. So if they put them somewhere out of the way like the console...fine w/ me. I don't look at fuel, coolant, volts, and oil pressure that much anyway..certainly not like the speedo.

GO HUD SCOTT!!!!

I'd probably feel the same way after using HUD. I personally will pay whatever cost to have it as my 5th gen Z28 will be most likely all the premium content you can get. The more I think about it the more I dont really care that the gauges are by the shifter but would rather they not be. I do hope that the interior is driver oriented like the 4th gen. I really like that type of setup. Useable cupholders would be nice too. Oh and how about a factory short shifter? There's no reason to have a long ass shifter, period. I dont like my Cobalt's long shifter and when I had the stock shifter in my 96 Z28 I thought it was stupid. Being a performance car or "sport coupe" every manual shifter that comes in this car should be short throw. I would think that would be common sense but if its not mentioned we'd get the longest shifter possible. Of course things are going to get changed like exhaust and what not but there's no reason to have to shell out $150-200 for a shifter after you drive a brand new Camaro off the lot. But yeah, HUD is awesome. I want it.

I thought everyone was saying how the Camaro wasn't retro while the Mustang and Challenger are? Call me crazy, but isn't having nearly identical gauges considered retro?

I don't mind the new Camaro having some of the same features as the first gens if they're a benefit. But having the nearly identical gauges just for the sake of looking like the '69 is just plain dumb. Put all the gauges in the dash where they belong. If you want first gen features, add the double gauge hump or the shifter that 5thgen69camaro posted.

Also, I know its a concept, but please make the radio so I can swap it out for an aftermarket one. And for goodness sake, make all the hvac vents either round or rectangular, not both.

On a side note, I just noticed the interior rearview mirror. Cool idea!

I keep going back and looking at this interior concept. I have to honestly say that there is nothing about it that I like. I despise the retro theme (I like the exterior though); Gauges in the console are ridiculous; Gauges are supposed to give information to the driver. If you are going to put them this far out of the line of sight, they may as well be in the trunk.

A HUD would be a nice option. It won’t make up for a bad interior design.

The interior needs to be modern, well styled, sporty and functional. It should be well built with good materials and good fit and finish.

GM, I am begging you, please, please please! Scrap this interior design and start over!!!

NO RETRO IN THE INTERIOR!


Could not agree more...

HUD FTW!!!! That is just a great idea in a performance car. As for console gauges I could care less. Leave the fuel, tach and speedo up top though.

I also wanted to mention that I agree completely with what Aaron91RS stated about online feedback. Its is where your sole target market resides, why not use us and be guaranteed that a good percentage of your product will be loved by those willing to fork over the money.

GM needs to be the front runner on this and change the way car marketing/building/critiquing and buying are handled. No more scratching your heads wondering why a product didnt sell.
There are atleast 6 boards that I know right off the top of my head that will give you all the info you need and take all the guess work out of it.
Shane

Also something to remember about the Camaro CONCEPT interior....remember the Mustang CONCEPTS interior, and how much it changed for production? I remember it had those weird speedo/tach gauges that looked like clock gears or something on the outside. The final version was nowhere near that. So there is hope, and precedent for the interior haters.

we're getting a lot of negative comments about the gages in the console.

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

See, I said this when the first photos leaked. Now to have Scott actually say the words "heads up" when talking about a Camaro, I no longer have any problem with the interior... go nuts!

Why doesn't GM have an official spokesperson for the Internet boards?
This is 06, the internet is a huge form of FREE advertising and FREE marketing research. I know you are on here, but it's not your real job.
I would think someday the big 3 will realize how many people they can reach online on message boards like this. How much free feedback they can get, How they can even get photoshops of what someone wants to see and then have 50 people comment and get an instant feel for how well it is recieved without ever lifting a finger.
How they can get a free feel for what options people want and what percentage would be willing to pay what for them.
They can ease complaints, such as ones about weight, by actually reaching a message board with 10,000+users and explaining in detail why it is what it is. This makes the customer(us) feel like we matter and are important much more then a form letter.
There are so many other benefits ,I just for the life of me can't figure out why someone from the big 3 hasn't jumped on this. I'm sure someday someone will and there will be a fulltime person that just types on large message boards all over the internet doing some PR work. I just wonder why not now.

Because this is where the cream of the fan crop hang out and our opinions are usually more towards making the car something that ultimately wouldnt be as accessable to the mainstream buyer. IOW, we want a bad arse hotrod that can do several things. Id think a lot of us regulars would like 3" exhaust with no converters, a 7-speed paddle shifted trans, and a 10-point cage, lol.

Also something to remember about the Camaro CONCEPT interior....remember the Mustang CONCEPTS interior, and how much it changed for production? I remember it had those weird speedo/tach gauges that looked like clock gears or something on the outside. The final version was nowhere near that. So there is hope, and precedent for the interior haters.
FYI: Mustang Concept/Production Photos (http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/concept/s197/), including interior.

Not that far apart...

FYI: Mustang Concept/Production Photos (http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/concept/s197/), including interior.

Not that far apart...
I was meaning to emphasize the gauges specifically, they ended up almost completely different from the concept. The overall flavor of the interior was the same, sure, but the gauges were different. Also, the gauge on the Mustang concepts HVAC panel didn't make production, a key sticking point to the Camaro interior argument.

http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/concept/s197/pics/MustangGTInterior02.jpg


http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/05/05/ISAP-2.jpg

I was meaning to emphasize the gauges specifically, they ended up almost completely different from the concept. The overall flavor of the interior was the same, sure, but the gauges were different. Also, the gauge on the Mustang concepts HVAC panel didn't make production, and key sticking point to the Camaro interior argument.

Gotcha. I was looking at the overall interior, the exact opposite of what you were doing... ;)
I agree with you then. The overall interior may look very similar to the concept, but the gauges have to change. Judging by Scott's comments regarding the center console, someone is obviously gung-ho at getting them into the finished product. IMHO, I think they'd like to keep them and add the HUD in order to keep simple, vanilla lines of the interior. The HUD allows them to that and just replicate information in a more readable area, namely the windshield.

we're getting a lot of negative comments about the gages in the console.

Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?

DO IT! DO IT!! DO IT!!! DO IT!!!!

HUDs are THE BOMB.

While yer at it, PLEASE consider doing a "Performance Plate" on the center console like C3's used to have!

2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS
Engine - LS7 V8
Displacement - 427 cubic inches
Compression - 11:1
Horsepower - 500 horsepower @ 6200 rpm
Torque - 470 lb.ft. @ 4800 rpm
Transmission - 6spd Tremec T-56
Final Drive - 3.42:1
EPA MPG - 21 city, 30 highway
Certified Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle

Obviously, the above is speculative, but I swear my brother that it's a great thing to do!

Note the addition of the fuel economy and emissions lines... make the font you use a hair larger so that it stands out. You guys have got the goods in Powertrain to rub the fact that you can make 400hp and 30mpg in everybody else's faces, so get to rubbing!!!

Boy Pacer, that console is going to be some crowded real estate. Loaded with unuseable, gimmicky, gauges and a cheesy "performance plate".

They could steal the interior out of the new GTO and it would look better than the concept. I just don't like an old interior in a new car.

[QUOTE=Fbodfather]Let me ask you this: What would you think if they were there......but Heads up display was standard with that gage package?IQUOTE]

cheap gimmick. I specifically remember you saying one year after the Chicago show your opinion was if it's not functional it doesn't belong on the car. Perhaps that was limited to scoops, but in all I understood it as an entire philosophy towards the car.

HUD would be cool.

I also wanted to mention that I agree completely with what Aaron91RS stated about online feedback. Its is where your sole target market resides, why not use us and be guaranteed that a good percentage of your product will be loved by those willing to fork over the money.

Sole target market? Appearently no one's gonna buy the base car.:think:

I'd venture the majority of the people who will buy a Camaro are not on this or any other enhusiast board.

Boy Pacer, that console is going to be some crowded real estate. Loaded with unuseable, gimmicky, gauges and a cheesy "performance plate".

Silence, heathen.

You'd try to order the car without seat foam if they'd let you.

"Nah, I'll just sit on the springs and it'll be cheaper that way."

ROFL @ PacerX

Hahahaha!!

Sole target market? Appearently no one's gonna buy the base car.:think:

I'd venture the majority of the people who will buy a Camaro are not on this or any other enhusiast board.
Yup you are right and was my point exactly

I guess I mis-interpreted the use of 'us'.

Silence, heathen.

You'd try to order the car without seat foam if they'd let you.

"Nah, I'll just sit on the springs and it'll be cheaper that way."


That was awesome.:bow:

And I agree with Z284ever about 90% of the time...

Silence, heathen.

You'd try to order the car without seat foam if they'd let you.

"Nah, I'll just sit on the springs and it'll be cheaper that way."

No way dude, I need the seat foam. And leather (suede inserts would be cool). And PW. But worthless gauges, I could do without...and rather not be stuck with, if I choose a HUD.

I just don't like alot of worthless bullsh!t all over the place.

Also, I don't like the shifter either. It looks like a 1950's throttle control for Flash Gordon's space ship. I'd rather have a modern short throw shifter.

Sole target market? Appearently no one's gonna buy the base car.:think:

I'd venture the majority of the people who will buy a Camaro are not on this or any other enhusiast board.

Ummm... I stated that there were atleast 6 message boards out there off the top of my head....2 of those are for v6 f bodies. I also have a v6 camaro and Im on this board as well as all the others. Your point again:confused:

P.S. I would like to drive home what I was saying. People spend time on the internet, you cant escape it. If your into cars youll be searching around to find info on it. If your shopping for cars youll search for info. I shop for cars and I am not even in the market, wouldnt it be nice to tell someone who can make a difference? Convey your thoughts with a group of people, one of which takes note and lets the car manufactuer know what people are interested in. Even if your not searching, word travels fast via 0's and 1's so more than likely your bound to run across some info along the way.

Shane

Ahh I see what your saying as far as these sites alone. I was refering more along the lines of a manufacturers site. Have individuals who are marketing the car target these sites and invite them to their site to give feedback. Im sure you would tell other people that you could do that and how great GM is for letting the buyer give input about the cars they want. Then they would check it out and tell other people. Hell you can order pizza online nowadays, car manufacturers need to look into the possibilities that are on the internet...thats all.

At one point it was all about word of mouth, then newspaper, then the radio, then television now its the internet and they must take advantage.

P.S. I would like to drive home what I was saying. People spend time on the internet, you cant escape it. If your into cars youll be searching around to find info on it. If your shopping for cars youll search for info. I shop for cars and I am not even in the market, wouldnt it be nice to tell someone who can make a difference? Convey your thoughts with a group of people, one of which takes note and lets the car manufactuer know what people are interested in. Even if your not searching, word travels fast via 0's and 1's so more than likely your bound to run across some info along the way.

Shane

I dont think it should be the sole source though. There are plenty of enthusiast that go to different car shows, races, cruise fest who do not go online. Also 1 person could have 10 accounts and use all ten to vot in a particular pole. Ive seen plenty of times "just clear your cache and vote again" That may not work but the idea that someone would do that is telling. Its good for a feel of the public perception but not by itself.

Yes I stated sole target, then I said a good percentage. That is my fault. What I should have said is that a majority of your target source is on the internet.
Shane

Also, I don't like the shifter either. It looks like a 1950's throttle control for Flash Gordon's space ship.:lol: ...whew, that was good... I'd forgotten all about that show...:D maybe I am old...but I agree 100%.

maybe im an idiot but can someone show what a Heads up display is????? Maybe im just confused?

http://www.accesscom.com/~alant/corvette/hud.jpg
http://www.corvetteconti.com/welcome/images/stories/coupes/2006-heads-up.jpg
http://a.focus.de/D/DL/DLB/DLBE/DLBEA/UPLOAD/HBKBAHAaioX.jpg
http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/roadtest/05.chevrolet.corvette/05.chevrolet.corvette.hud.500.jpg
http://johnboy00.fastmail.fm/vette/z-hud2.jpg

The world's first production "performance" Head-Up Display is a GM exclusive patent allowing the driver to view the speedometer, tachometer, water temperature, oil pressure, fuel level, and turn signal while looking directly at the road ahead.

I just tried looking for how much the HUD costs to put as an option for the corvette, but i must be blind or something. Can someone tell me about how much this option would be on the camaro?

The world's first production "performance" Head-Up Display is a GM exclusive patent allowing the driver to view the speedometer, tachometer, water temperature, oil pressure, fuel level, and turn signal while looking directly at the road ahead.
Radio stations too doesn't it? I can't remember.

You can turn off the HUD if you want, right?

Yes, and you can select what info you want, I usually ended up going w/ just the speed and maybe the fuel.

Hmm....Sounds pretty cool. Okay, sign me up for the HUD. :yes:

Oh, I'll take those vette gauges in the Camaro too.

Not a fan of the console guages. The idea of looking next to my knees for fuel and tempreature is going to turn annoying within the 1st hour of driving.

Heads up display is just another high tech way of solving a very simple issue.

Instead of spending the added costs of putting a HUD to compensate for a bad styling idea, simply put the guages up on the dash. You can still keep the alternator and oil pressure guage in the console, but put the fuel and temp where you can glance it in an instance.

HUD should be an option (though it would be one I'd skip myself), but it shouldn't be a subsitute.