New Nissan GTR (skyline)

TOKYO — Shiro Nakamura, head of design at Nissan Motor, says the company's breathtaking GT-R Proto concept, unveiled Wednesday at the auto show here, is "80 to 90 percent" close to the vehicle design that will be produced in 2007.

While the nose of the GT-R Proto is more conceptual in nature, Nakamura said the car's greenhouse, side profile and rear end, especially the retro-style round taillamps, are "very close" to the final design.

Carlos Tavares, Nissan's executive vice president of product planning, wouldn't reveal many more details of the next-generation GT-R.

"There are a lot of expectations," he said. "We don't want to disappoint our fans."

Tavares no doubt was referring to the hordes of enthusiasts who've begged Nissan over the years to market its legendary Skyline GT-R away from home. The new GT-R will be the first in the series to be exported to other markets. The car will be launched in Japan and will go on sale soon afterward in Europe and North America, Tavares said.

The GT-R will have the same powertrain in all markets, he said. Sources tell Inside Line that Nissan is considering a twin-turbocharged, 3.7-liter V6 that produces about 450 horsepower and drives all four wheels through a seven-speed sequential gearbox.

The production version of the GT-R is expected to debut at the 2007 Tokyo show.


Website: http://www.gtrproto.com/

Pics of the prototype
http://tinypic.com/erd2c5.jpg

http://tinypic.com/erd103.jpg

http://tinypic.com/erd11v.jpg

http://tinypic.com/erd2dt.jpg

http://tinypic.com/erd2lu.jpg

i must say it has one of the oddest looking roofline to cpillar ive ever seen. Seems to have the what i call "depressed whale" look its front. the back definately has g35 design put into it, then again over here the g35 is the current skyline. besides that and its taillights i really dont see much skyline in it... at all.

I really like the basic profile and rear end treatment. I'm assuming it is indeed G35/350Z based as it sure looks it. More real *** sport cars is a good thing. Wonder what the weight will be w/ the AWD.

That a odd looking car :no:

EFF the new Skyline......Bring the R-32 thru R-34 bodys styles with the Twin Turbo I6 to America and sell it for a preice that everyone could buy one at....maybe 25K-40k...THEN AND ONLY THEN would i be happy....the new "Proto" sucks balls...

More pics and info:
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103419

it just gets weirder the more i look at it. look at the back shot. it looks like a bubble!

Ive always hated skylines, that just seals the deal.

How much are they paying GM to use the Cobalt rear end.

I love it

Quote: "Tavares no doubt was referring to the hordes of enthusiasts who've begged Nissan over the years to market its legendary Skyline GT-R away from home."

I would think that most of those "enthusiasts" (read: 20-something ricers) will never be able to get near one with a sticker that will surely be higher than the new Z06. Oh well, just another would-be Japanese competitor for the Corvette to stomp out.

Quote: "Tavares no doubt was referring to the hordes of enthusiasts who've begged Nissan over the years to market its legendary Skyline GT-R away from home."

I would think that most of those "enthusiasts" (read: 20-something ricers) will never be able to get near one with a sticker that will surely be higher than the new Z06. Oh well, just another would-be Japanese competitor for the Corvette to stomp out.
I agree. Most likely a Supra-NSX type car probably. Any ricer will wet themselves over it but they won't be the ones buying them.
Not horribly bad, but why does every car manufacturer have to make the headlights look like they flew all the way down the hood. Absolutely ghastly in that respect, imo.

I dont like how the roofline spikes up then drops down, and the headlights are too long.

I don't care for it that much. I loved the last generation GT-R's. I always said that if I had to pick one performance import, it'd be the Skyline.

(I'm talking about the one like in Fast and Furious)

I personally like the looks except for the nose.

Price north of 70k is too damn high imo. That's not only higher than the 505hp z06, that ventures into M5 and 911 carrerra territory.

Nissan needs to find away to being costs down to around 50k without giving up on the performance.

Its the bastard child of the new Eclipse and a G35... :eek:

Front end: horrendous.

back end: pure sex.

Put it together: Bad sex. Youll take it, but wont pay to have it again.

I agree. Most likely a Supra-NSX type car probably. Any ricer will wet themselves over it but they won't be the ones buying them.
Not horribly bad, but why does every car manufacturer have to make the headlights look like they flew all the way down the hood. Absolutely ghastly in that respect, imo.

Yep - agree with you about the lights. I hate that look. The New 350-Z has the same problem. Make the headlights square, circular or oval not that weird glass lozenge crap.

I like the rear end a little, but the rest makes me wish I was dead.

did the japanese manufacturers give up their unspoken rule of only producing cars with up to 276hp? The article says the same powertrain will be offered in all markets with about 450hp.....

I think the styling is ok but the wing is too subtle and the roofline prevents adults from fitting in the back seat. But at that price I'm sure they will sell hundreds.

How much are they paying GM to use the Cobalt rear end.

:thumb: :D

Yeah, that's the first thing I saw.


Overall though, I love it. I actually like the front end (and I hate the new Eclipse front, go figure). It looks almost like an exotic. In fact it reminds me of that car that was on Top Gear last week (the one where he drove a diesel Audi A LOT of miles). I forgot what it was, but I think it was a MG or something, and it had a new Mustang engine in it.

Whatever, I'm straying. I like the new GT-R, I just wonder how much it's going to cost. Probaly around the same as a new Z06 or more since the R-34 is over $80k to buy and import.



EDIT: BTW, one thing that I love that Nissan is doing with their new cars (and that's including Infiniti as well) is that they are putting an enormous amount of detail into the headlights and tailights. I know it might seem petty, but I always look at the lights first, and the effects they add like with this car and the new M45 really draw me in.

http://www.gtrproto.com/: on this page click on gallery and check out the direct closeups on the lights. Love it. :bow:

did the japanese manufacturers give up their unspoken rule of only producing cars with up to 276hp? The article says the same powertrain will be offered in all markets with about 450hp.....


That never actually happened. It was like the way they rated the LS1 Fbodies. They said they produced 276hp, but they were putting out well over that amount. A TT Supra from the mid 90s was NOT making 276 hp, not when we're getting one with 330hp.

Either way, that was dropped a few years ago.

i liked the old skyline, and was dissapointed to here that the new one was basically a G35, which is a good car and all but not cool enough to be the GTR. But this one is just wierd looking.

I would take it. Probably take a z06 over it still, but then again, we don't really know much about this car, just the basics. I am sure Nissan won't disappoint though. I think the new NSX due out in a few years has me more compelled though, after hearing that it will finally get a real engine, a v10, instead of the original hybrid drivetrain. I am sure the v10 will be inspired by no small degree by Honda's formula 1 experience.

did the japanese manufacturers give up their unspoken rule of only producing cars with up to 276hp? The article says the same powertrain will be offered in all markets with about 450hp.....

wasnt an unspoken rule between manufacturers, it was an actual law. Glad to see its been lifted.

wasnt an unspoken rule between manufacturers, it was an actual law. Glad to see its been lifted.

Incorrect. It was never a law. It was an agreement between the Japanese auto manufacturers, that most of them have been breaking for some time, despite whatever they rate their cars.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=29&article_id=8948&page_number=1

Incorrect. It was never a law. It was an agreement between the Japanese auto manufacturers, that most of them have been breaking for some time, despite whatever they rate their cars.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=29&article_id=8948&page_number=1

hmm always heard it was law :confused: o well guess not.

hmm always heard it was law :confused: o well guess not.

I would think that would be an incredibly difficult law to enforce, due to the fact that not all dynos are equal, and the car could show variances in how much HP it made from the different variables involved. Even with the SAE correction factor, good luck getting 276 HP everytime.

I love it for the most part... especially those headlights. They just look evil.:D

How much are they paying GM to use the Cobalt rear end.

Why do people always think their favorite car company has been copied by another car company but never seem to notice that maybe the opposite happened?:think:

Concept skyline rear (http://tinypic.com/erd11v.jpg) = Trademark characteristics of the last several generations of Skyline rear ends (http://www.mitsubishiklub.pl/forum/uploads/RaDZio/D4E5F_600hp-r34-rear.jpg) + G35 (http://www.carphotoalbums.com/photos/data/713/11infiniti_g35_07-med.jpg)

Cobalt rear
http://www.canadianautoreview.com/cobaltcoupe-%20rear.jpg

So you tell me which came out first... the R32 skyline (1989), and the G35 (2003)... or the Cobalt (2005)?;)

Its pretty obvious that the Nissan copied the Chevy's rear end. ;)

Why do people always think their favorite car company has been copied by another car company but never seem to notice that maybe the opposite happened?:think:

Concept skyline rear (http://tinypic.com/erd11v.jpg) = Trademark characteristics of the last several generations of Skyline rear ends (http://www.mitsubishiklub.pl/forum/uploads/RaDZio/D4E5F_600hp-r34-rear.jpg) + G35 (http://www.carphotoalbums.com/photos/data/713/11infiniti_g35_07-med.jpg)

Cobalt rear
http://www.canadianautoreview.com/cobaltcoupe-%20rear.jpg

So you tell me which came out first... the R32 skyline (1989), and the G35 (2003)... or the Cobalt (2005)?;)
Well then we could say that the Corvette started the 4 round taillamps etc. Now who is copying who? ;)

I know, because no previous Skyline ever had a tailight arrangement like that.

Well then we could say that the Corvette started the 4 round taillamps etc. Now who is copying who? ;)

You're right there... first Vette with four round tail lights was, I believe, 1960, right? First Skyline model with round tail lights was, I believe, 1963.

The Vettes have always to my knowledge been straight all the way across and one single color. The Skyline has had the 'center circle in the middle' and generally been offset from inner light to outerlight.

Much like the Cobalt does for 05... offset with an 'inner circle'... Skyline trademark for decades now.

Those early Skylines sure were ugly though. They weren't even Nissans/Datsuns at the time. Looked like a taxi cab sort of.

Those early Skylines sure were ugly though. They weren't even Nissans/Datsuns at the time. Looked like a taxi cab sort of.

They didn't even become the skyline that we know today till the late 80's.

Even right upto the R34, they still looked like a taxi cab (guess the standard variation is actually used for that). All boxy and sedan'ish shaped. Not exactly the kinda shape that screams "FAST" or "Sports car".

They didn't even become the skyline that we know today till the late 80's.

Even right upto the R34, they still looked like a taxi cab (guess the standard variation is actually used for that). All boxy and sedan'ish shaped. Not exactly the kinda shape that screams "FAST" or "Sports car".
Well I think the R32 was just as sporty as the fox body stangs or most other cars of the 80's, minus the 4-door version. I don't know, maybe not... I didn't see too many that were still stock appearance. But you're right, my first ride in a skyline was a cab ride. Talk about being disappointed.

Well I think the R32 was just as sporty as the fox body stangs


Thats not exactly saying alot. Those cars never looked that sporty to begin with (at least to me.)

Yeah, thats how I feel as well.

Skylines may have been used as cabs but I doubt any GTRs were. GTR is what most people are really talking about when they say Skyline instead of the more mundane base model.

It's like an Evo compared to a Lancer.

threxx: ehhhh, Im pretty sure the bigger outter light, unless it was on an older model, was an R34 thing only. the R32 and 33 had same size circles, and the R32s reverse light was inbetween the two circles.

Thats not exactly saying alot. Those cars never looked that sporty to begin with (at least to me.)
Agreed. Worst looking Mustangs imo.

Not ugly to me, but nothing about them says "Mustang".

it just gets weirder the more i look at it. look at the back shot. it looks like a bubble!

So did the 4th gen. : :lol:

Screw the skyline, bring back the 510 ;)

Screw the skyline, bring back the 510 ;)

Now that would be cool. And it wouldn't cost 70 grand either.

nison=garbage can on wheels! ;) :p Didn't Chevrolet have a Skyline back in the 50's?

Didn't Chevrolet have a Skyline back in the 50's?

Uhh....no. I am not sure how to take this post, so sorry if I am taking it the wrong way. Prince Motor Company did in 1955, that is until Datsun bought them out an claimed the at the time ugly ass Skyline for itself.

Uhh....no. I am not sure how to take this post, so sorry if I am taking it the wrong way. Prince Motor Company did in 1955, that is until Datsun bought them out an claimed the at the time ugly ass Skyline for itself.


Sure it wasn't in 57?

I googled it, and this was the first website to pop up.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/3823/prince.html

nison=garbage can on wheels! ;) :p Didn't Chevrolet have a Skyline back in the 50's?

You = mullet trash in a mobile home.;):p

I think garbage can on wheels more acurately describes that new Chinese 4X4. At least after its first 40mph collision it will be.

I googled it, and this was the first website to pop up.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/3823/prince.html


Yeah, I keep finding conflicting info. They built them in 55 but didn't sell them until 57, they sold them in 55, etc etc. I have no idea at this point now haha.

You = mullet trash in a mobile home.;):p
You=guy who can't satisfiy his wife! :alert: :lol: Once again, I own a home, and no mullet, but you keep tellin' yourself what ya need to to get by! ;) Chevrolet did use the name skyline in the 50's. And IMFO nison is garbage, don't agree IRDGARFA! :alert: :p

You=guy who can't satisfiy his wife! :alert: :lol: Once again, I own a home, and no mullet, but you keep tellin' yourself what ya need to to get by! ;) Chevrolet did use the name skyline in the 50's. And IMFO nison is garbage, don't agree IRDGARFA! :alert: :p

I am trying to find a car called the Skyline built by Chevy, but I am not finding any evidence to suggest that. Would you care to elaborate? Also, you may be kidding around in your post, but at least spell Nissan right if you are going to call it trash.

I am trying to find a car called the Skyline built by Chevy, but I am not finding any evidence to suggest that. Would you care to elaborate? Also, you may be kidding around in your post, but at least spell Nissan right if you are going to call it trash.


Never was one that I'm aware of, and SCNGENNFTHGEN is the master of critisizing things of which he doesn't understand, much less even know how to spell. He's been spelling it "nison" for as long as I can recall (Though I've never bothered to point it out until you did). I guess that's why he sticks to using the :bow: emoticon toward other's posts, so that he can avoid writing his own opinions and lookin stupid.

:tired: :shrug:

is it just me or has this gotten out of hand?

Never was one that I'm aware of, and SCNGENNFTHGEN is the master of critisizing things of which he doesn't understand, much less even know how to spell. He's been spelling it "nison" for as long as I can recall (Though I've never bothered to point it out until you did). I guess that's why he sticks to using the :bow: emoticon toward other's posts, so that he can avoid writing his own opinions and lookin stupid.

I see.

:bow:

I see.

:bow:

I feel dirty. Please don't touch my penor again. Please.:(

;)

I am trying to find a car called the Skyline built by Chevy, but I am not finding any evidence to suggest that. Would you care to elaborate? Also, you may be kidding around in your post, but at least spell Nissan right if you are going to call it trash.
I don't believe it was the model name, more like a line within a model. I wanna say 54 or so, Bel Air maybe. I just can't recall, and if I'm wrong. :shrug: Don't think I am though, I could swear there was one (Bel Air Skyline ). Do I have to spell it right? Is it really required of me? :cry: Does everyone spell Camaro right?

Do I have to spell it right? Is it really required of me? :cry: Does everyone spell Camaro right?

Generally if you can't even spell the name of a car company even remotely correctly then you might not really have enough substantiated knowledge about that car company to be rightfully critisizing them with such blunt generalizations. Unless of course you can just admit your opinions are filled with nothing but black and white blind bias. Then everyone will understand they can just ignore you since you're just talking to yourself, trying to make yourself feel better.:p

I don't believe it was the model name, more like a line within a model. I wanna say 54 or so, Bel Air maybe. I just can't recall, and if I'm wrong. :shrug: Don't think I am though, I could swear there was one (Bel Air Skyline ). Do I have to spell it right? Is it really required of me? :cry: Does everyone spell Camaro right?
the Skyliner was from Ford
http://www.57skyliner.com/

the Skyliner was from Ford
http://www.57skyliner.com/
Not the one I was thinking of.

then you're thinking of the STYLEline
http://chevy.tocmp.com/1951chevy/

Generally if you can't even spell the name of a car company even remotely correctly then you might not really have enough substantiated knowledge about that car company to be rightfully critisizing them with such blunt generalizations. Unless of course you can just admit your opinions are filled with nothing but black and white blind bias. Then everyone will understand they can just ignore you since you're just talking to yourself, trying to make yourself feel better.:p
Ever think maybe, I actually know how to spell nissan, but was merely trying to get a rise out of some nison. And for someone who says to ignore me you certainly seem to know exactly how I spell things. ;)

I don't believe it was the model name, more like a line within a model. I wanna say 54 or so, Bel Air maybe.
49-52 Styleline. In 1951, it was the top seller.

Ever think maybe, I actually know how to spell nissan, but was merely trying to get a rise out of some nison. And for someone who says to ignore me you certainly seem to know exactly how I spell things. ;)

No. You didn't know how to spell it. Period. If you wanted to spell it improperly you would have done it with a more emphatic meaning, or at least I'd hope. nison means nothing at all.

Rice Burner is a much better term.

No. You didn't know how to spell it. Period. If you wanted to spell it improperly you would have done it with a more emphatic meaning, or at least I'd hope. nison means nothing at all.


who gives a crap about spelling! Let it go, everyone!


MOD please lock this flame war.

who gives a crap about spelling! Let it go, everyone!

OK would you really take too much heart into someone's opinion of a the Chevy Corvette if they said something like

"The Shevvy Coorvate is a big POS lololol"

:lol:

:p

If I'm getting on nerves here I'll quit. Just wanted to point out that yet again too many people here seem to state 'absolute' opinions, yet when you pay attention to the details it becomes apparent that they know little more about the entire company they're critisizing other than the fact that "they don't like 'em".:p

if somebody said that i'd laugh and walk away. :lol:

I hate the roofline, but I actually like the main body and the headlights :shrug: . Everybody knows that this will probably be expensive, most likely powerful, and definitely eye catching (good or bad). However, what this car will be officially (as far as performance and price go) is unknown, because there are still a lot of details about the car that are unknown. So I am not sure what the arguing is about and frankly I am not reading this whole thread to just to see.

I wouldn't own one (not my style), even if I could afford it, but I wouldn't be against seeing it on the road and I am definitely interested to see the specs on it.

David

If I'm getting on nerves here I'll quit.


:think:

I don't believe it was the model name, more like a line within a model. I wanna say 54 or so, Bel Air maybe. I just can't recall, and if I'm wrong. :shrug: Don't think I am though, I could swear there was one (Bel Air Skyline ). Do I have to spell it right? Is it really required of me? :cry: Does everyone spell Camaro right?


There was no BelAir Skyline ever made. Maybe you are thinking about the 1958 Ford Fairlane Skyliner??

http://www.smallspace.demon.co.uk/Car_Models/SKYLINER.JPG

already covered that, pretty sure hes thinking of the 49-52 Chevy Styleline.