"that" Evo working a built LT1, etc

:eek: (http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTE4MjEzNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D)

Oh so nasty.

what is?

:confused: WTF?

Click on the eek :D

Holy crap! That is one baaaaaad EVO.

600 hp evo....no ****...

Weaving in traffic in a tunnel is SO COOL

to bad we live so far apart. I'd like to race that car.

to bad we live so far apart. I'd like to race that car.
lol you would get rocked. unless your putting down more then 600rwhp

Isnt that the Evo that raced those 2 cobras with 600rwhp and messed them up pretty bad?

lol you would get rocked. unless your putting down more then 600rwhpHe does - but it'd be a damn good race.

Those Cobra's were less than impressive...and that guy with the Evo is making a tad more than 600 @ the wheels...

Still waiting for track times from several forums in regard to the Evo...

You may not get track times published on the web - a local shop (AMS) built that car and as I understand it, the kid's a big street racer.

That thing MOOOOOOOVES on the highway!!! That thing is no joke :eek: :bow:

Holy monkey!

lol you would get rocked. unless your putting down more then 600rwhp

Isnt that the Evo that raced those 2 cobras with 600rwhp and messed them up pretty bad?

LOL . Dont worry, my Saleen made 690rwhp with a safe tune and ran consistant mid 9's@146mph last year on 4 year old slicks. I got new slicks and with some suspension tweaking and a little more aggressive tune low 9's @150+mph should'nt be a problem this year. I should be at the track in a couple of weeks.The track opened April 20 and its rained every weekend so far and its supposed to rain this weekend too.New England weather su*ks!! I'm running at New England dragways Quick street class and the first race is the First weekend in June.My tranny is At Dynamic Trans. in Conn. right now.It should be done by Mon-Tues.That'll take a couple of hours to put in. I would like to get a few passes before the Quick Street race.
LOL

I see you live in Rhode Island. You ever hit 'the pike' over here in CT? Any pictures/video clips of your car?

I see you live in Rhode Island. You ever hit 'the pike' over here in CT? Any pictures/video clips of your car?

I have heard of a place in CT that people have some big money races. But is'nt that close to NY?I live in north west RI.In a town called Burrilville. About 2 and a half hours from there. I can usually find a race closer like late night in Woonsocket,RI or if I'm looking for faster cars theres action down in Warwick,RI, or Fall river, and Brockton ,Mass.
But I only race my mustang at the track now. I dont think racing a 9 second car on the street is safe at all.
Thats why I'm building my 2000 T/a street car.It'll be a little slower and safer on the street. I'll be getting a ported LS6 head/ cam package and a LS6 intake in a few months. I already have the basic bolt ons including pacesetter Lt's with TSP ORY and spec St 3 clutch and nitto DR's.
Heres pics of my cars
my saleen-
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=762099
my T/A- needs updating
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=764642

I have heard of a place in CT that people have some big money races. But is'nt that close to NY?I live in north west RI.In a town called Burrilville. About 2 and a half hours from there. I can usually find a race closer like late night in Woonsocket,RI or if I'm looking for faster cars theres action down in Warwick,RI, or Fall river, and Brockton ,Mass.
But I only race my mustang at the track now. I dont think racing a 9 second car on the street is safe at all.
Thats why I'm building my 2000 T/a street car.It'll be a little slower and safer on the street. I'll be getting a ported LS6 head/ cam package and a LS6 intake in a few months. I already have the basic bolt ons including pacesetter Lt's with TSP ORY and spec St 3 clutch and nitto DR's.
Heres pics of my cars
my saleen-
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=762099
my T/A- needs updating
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=764642
you have two very nice cars there :bow:

thanks. :)

Holy crap! That is one baaaaaad EVO.


No joke, I wonder how much somethen like that cost to build? :confused:

No joke, I wonder how much somethen like that cost to build? :confused:


You can almost guarantee he could have bought a nice entry-level house for what's put into that EVO. LOL

You can almost guarantee he could have bought a nice entry-level house for what's put into that EVO. LOL
Negative.

Negative.

Inform us then, since you know more than we do.

Negative.

The only thing negative was this statement :)

Inform us then, since you know more than we do.
An entry level house is about 170k. That Evo has nowhere near 170k in it - the shop that built it is about 5 miles from me.

Entry level house here = @ $50

Entry level house here = @ $50
I didn't think you could even get a house on Oriental Avenue for that. ;)

Entry level house here = @ $50

Agreed.

Show me a $50,000 house that can meet the public's general standard of nice entry level. I'd assume that's around that car probably cost to build.

Show me a $50,000 house that can meet the public's general standard of nice entry level. I'd assume that's around that car probably cost to build.
Dude, that car probably cost more to build than $50k... it's a what... 30-35k car new? Plus paying a SHOP to do all the work the RIGHT way would be easily another 30-35k

and dude, we're not talking about orange county california here... trust me some nice houses can be had for the price of that car in different states. Where do you live dude?

Why is everyone talking about housing? Isnt this a racing forum. ;)

The only thing negative was this statement :)

or your lack of knowledge about anything related to imports and any form of forced induction.

or your lack of knowledge about anything related to imports and any form of forced induction.

I may not know boost very well, but i DO know that the ammount of money it took to get that evo to where it is now cost a FORTUNE.
Go troll somewhere else :looser flag here:

or your lack of knowledge about anything related to imports and any form of forced induction.

I will try and re-explain this AGAIN.
For as long as honduhs have been around, what has been their main purpose? Racing? Bah.. tell that to the 40 and 50 year olds that were around when "hot-rodding" first became popular. Ask those REAL hot-rodders what "honda" meant to them. I bet I can tell you right now what their response is ;)
1.) Granny getter.
2.) 60hp econo-boxes.
3.) Fast? HAHAHAHAH.

I am only assuming 60hp for the most oldest hondas because, as per the 05' hp ratings of only 115, I cant imagine the older ones could possibly be much less.
Now.. in the past 40 years, where has honduhs amazing "technology" gone? Obviously not into horsepower and torque, because as you clearly know, the 05 honda's are less powerfull than my STOCK, lazy, emmisions-central, "boat-motor" of a 305 was ( :rolleyes: ).
SO camracer, how, if you dont mind being sane and thinking straight for one minute out of your hidden, looser-like life, how are your fabled "imports" better?

I may not know boost very well, but i DO know that the ammount of money it took to get that evo to where it is now cost a FORTUNE.
Go troll somewhere else :looser flag here:You know how much money it took to get the Evo where it is? Please give me the rundown on what parts are on it, how much they cost, and the labor involved to install. I'm dying to see this.

You know how much money it took to get the Evo where it is? Please give me the rundown on what parts are on it, how much they cost, and the labor involved to install. I'm dying to see this.

Right.. well, lemme see here, I will name off all the parts :rolleyes:
How in the feck would I know? But I do know that turbo's and their parts arn't cheep, especially for the bigger, higher-output turbos. And I also know that parts for ANY import are expensive, especially the less mainstreemed evos.

How in the feck would I know? .Hey, you claimed to know, not me.

But I do know that turbo's and their parts arn't cheep, especially for the bigger, higher-output turbos. And I also know that parts for ANY import are expensive, especially the less mainstreemed evos.
Complete horse****. You do know the engine in the Evo is the 4G63, right?

Here (http://www.automotosports.com/evo_gt_kit.asp) is a kit good for up to 775 horsepower, for $4449. That is the "bigger, higher output" turbo you were talking about. That's not very expensive for that power level - and AMS is at the higher end of the price scale as far as DSMs go.

A blower kit for my Mustang (a car commonly regarded as the poor-man's hot rod) to make that level of power is at least as expensive, and requires every bit as much additional modification (fuel system, internals, ignition) as the Evo does.

How about a stroker kit (http://www.automotosports.com/evo_engine.asp) for 2 grand? Good luck building a racing-quality 383/347/(insert favorite domestic stroker of choice) for that little money.

Please learn a little bit about the car before spouting off misinformation.

Wow.. you dont think $750 for rods, $600 for pistons, $240 for an engine gasket kit, and $203 for an oil pump is expensive? What kind of world are you living in?
And FYI.. I can get a 335 stroker for my 305 for about $1500 ;)

I will try and re-explain this AGAIN.
For as long as honduhs have been around, what has been their main purpose? Racing? Bah.. tell that to the 40 and 50 year olds that were around when "hot-rodding" first became popular. Ask those REAL hot-rodders what "honda" meant to them. I bet I can tell you right now what their response is ;)
1.) Granny getter.
2.) 60hp econo-boxes.
3.) Fast? HAHAHAHAH.

I am only assuming 60hp for the most oldest hondas because, as per the 05' hp ratings of only 115, I cant imagine the older ones could possibly be much less.
Now.. in the past 40 years, where has honduhs amazing "technology" gone? Obviously not into horsepower and torque, because as you clearly know, the 05 honda's are less powerfull than my STOCK, lazy, emmisions-central, "boat-motor" of a 305 was ( :rolleyes: ).
SO camracer, how, if you dont mind being sane and thinking straight for one minute out of your hidden, looser-like life, how are your fabled "imports" better?

you know funny you should mention "real hot rodders". my uncle happens to have resto modded a true 32 ford coupe. i know its a real one because HIS father bought it brand new in 1932. and it sat in my uncles garage for MANY years where i remember seeing it apart. its now bright ass yellow with an EFI 351 windsor in it. he tours on the Good Guys car showing circuit. one night about 5 years ago me and him got into a conversation about imports and what he thought about them. he said something to the effect of "those guys really have something cool going on there. the way they add different parts and stuff is exactly like what i used to do in the 50s with my car. only its more modernized." so, matt, tell me something, if a "true hot rodder" said something like that, then what merit does your arguement hold here? :confused:

and what has "honduh" done with what they have learned? well lets see. they are now walking on the edge of 300hp from a v6 in a fwd family sedan that gets very good gas mileage. several years ago their sedans were running stock lt1 times with 2 fewer cylinders, 2 more doors and fwd. so YOU tell ME what they HAVENT done.

and lastly, there is no way on gods green earth your turd of a motor will EVER compare to anything built after 1993. not ever. so in your sick and twisted little world where you think a hopped up 305 can be faster than anything with more than 100whp, i hope and pray that you run into ANY sort of decently modded import. because it wont be pretty. i would actually pay to be there that day.

PS, you might be able to build a 335 stroker for 1500 bones, but good luck with having it break into even the mid to low 12s and still be anything close to streetable.

Hey, you claimed to know, not me.


Complete horse****. You do know the engine in the Evo is the 4G63, right?

Here (http://www.automotosports.com/evo_gt_kit.asp) is a kit good for up to 775 horsepower, for $4449. That is the "bigger, higher output" turbo you were talking about. That's not very expensive for that power level - and AMS is at the higher end of the price scale as far as DSMs go.

A blower kit for my Mustang (a car commonly regarded as the poor-man's hot rod) to make that level of power is at least as expensive, and requires every bit as much additional modification (fuel system, internals, ignition) as the Evo does.

How about a stroker kit (http://www.automotosports.com/evo_engine.asp) for 2 grand? Good luck building a racing-quality 383/347/(insert favorite domestic stroker of choice) for that little money.

Please learn a little bit about the car before spouting off misinformation.
The $4500 is just for the turbo upgrade that can support 775 hp. They advertise it just like all the other blower/turbo kits.They try to mislead the average guy. The 775hp is the maximum hp range for the turbo. they dont mean that all you have to do is bolt the upgraded turbo on and your up to 775hp like that.Its not that easy no matter what kind of car you have. They all always leave out that you'll need heavily ported cylinder head,intake custom cam,complete fuel system including lines and posibly a built shortblock to handle that kind of power.And that were it gets expensive.
$4500 is expensive for a kit that can support 775hp. I paid $3300 for my paxton Novi 2000 that can easily support 775hp.George Grecco went 8.1 with a Novi 2000.
For example vortech superchargers claims there X trim supports 1000hp on a 5.0 ford engine. That does'nt mean that if you bolt a X trim on a stock 5.0 your gonna make 1000hp.You'll need ported aftermarket heads,intake,cam exhaust,built shortblock,fuel system just to name a few things you'll need a x trim to make 1000hp in a 5.0 mustang.
That Evo, is the shops Evo as stated on your link. Is it me or does it seem like that the vast majoity of very fast imports are owned by speed shops who can pick whatever part they want off the self and put it on or the fully sponsorded rides? Not average guys like you see owning 8-9 second american made cars.
Whats a import lover gonna due when it runs into a 600+cid big block with twin turbos making over 2200hp? run home to mama!! :rolleyes:
they got single turbo small blocks running low 6's making over 2000hp.

The $4500 is just for the turbo upgrade that can support 775 hp. They advertise it just like all the other blower/turbo kits.They try to mislead the average guy. The 775hp is the maximum hp range for the turbo. they dont mean that all you have to do is bolt the upgraded turbo on and your up to 775hp like that.Its not that easy no matter what kind of car you have. They all always leave out that you'll need heavily ported cylinder head,intake custom cam,complete fuel system including lines and posibly a built shortblock to handle that kind of power.And that were it gets expensive.
$4500 is expensive for a kit that can support 775hp. I paid $3300 for my paxton Novi 2000 that can easily support 775hp.George Grecco went 8.1 with a Novi 2000.
For example vortech superchargers claims there X trim supports 1000hp on a 5.0 ford engine. That does'nt mean that if you bolt a X trim on a stock 5.0 your gonna make 1000hp.You'll need ported aftermarket heads,intake,cam exhaust,built shortblock,fuel system just to name a few things you'll need a x trim to make 1000hp in a 5.0 mustang.
That Evo, is the shops Evo as stated on your link. Is it me or does it seem like that the vast majoity of very fast imports are owned by speed shops who can pick whatever part they want off the self and put it on or the fully sponsorded rides? Not average guys like you see owning 8-9 second american made cars.
Whats a import lover gonna due when it runs into a 600+cid big block with twin turbos making over 2200hp? run home to mama!! :rolleyes:
they got single turbo small blocks running low 6's making over 2000hp.

i would like you to point me to where there are 2k+hp cars running on the street as much as a 6-700whp turbo civic. because it doesnt happen. they may take them on to the street once in a while but they arent gonna be driven more than that. period.

and furthermore, please show me where jim said all you had to do was bolt on that turbo kit and you can make 775hp? in fact his post says "UP TO 775hp". but nice try on that one.

and furthermore, please show me where jim said all you had to do was bolt on that turbo kit and you can make 775hp? in fact his post says "UP TO 775hp". but nice try on that one.
Exactly. Reading comprehension is not his friend.

i would like you to point me to where there are 2k+hp cars running on the street as much as a 6-700whp turbo civic. because it doesnt happen. they may take them on to the street once in a while but they arent gonna be driven more than that. period.

and furthermore, please show me where jim said all you had to do was bolt on that turbo kit and you can make 775hp? in fact his post says "UP TO 775hp". but nice try on that one.

I never said anything about the 2000hp cars running on the street. They run at the track in the pro-strret classes were the big dogs run. At the track the fastest turbo cars are the american V8's. I personaly seen Chuck Samual run 6.29@220 in a single turbo mustang. I dont beleive I saw ANY civic's or Evo's running any quicker or faster.

And about the 775hp kit. I just wanted to let everyone out there know that you need a s*** load of other expensive parts than the $4500 turbo upgrade kit to make those power numbers.
And I pointed out that the blower on my car is capable just as much if not more hp that that turbo unit and for $1200 less. What do you have to say about that?

That's fine and dandy. I just want to let people know that it doesn't cost the same as a house to make the Evo move like this. That's just assinine.

I never said anything about the 2000hp cars running on the street.


Ok then why talk about them? are 10 second street fbodys impressive of no?

Ok then why talk about them? are 10 second street fbodys impressive of no?

I was talking about the BIG picture. I was pointing out that in the long run the worlds fastest turbo V8 is gonna be faster than the worlds fastest turbo civic. In the end there really is no replacement for displacement. Import guys say a turbo is but a big cid. V8 can have a turbo too.
10 second street cars are impressive but 12 and even high 11 second street cars are'nt that immpresive anymore. I ran low 12's in my N/A daily driver steeda mustang almost 10 years ago. And nowadays. All you need is a 150 shot on a LS1 to run high 11's. So its very easy to have a 11 second car now.
If its easy to do its not that immpressive. But if you can run 11's N/A thats pretty good but nowadays if you have a blower or turbo and are'nt in the 10's you aint nothing special for what you have.

I was talking about the BIG picture. I was pointing out that in the long run the worlds fastest turbo V8 is gonna be faster than the worlds fastest turbo civic. In the end there really is no replacement for displacement. Import guys say a turbo is but a big cid. V8 can have a turbo too.
10 second street cars are impressive but 12 and even high 11 second street cars are'nt that immpresive anymore. I ran low 12's in my N/A daily driver steeda mustang almost 10 years ago. And nowadays. All you need is a 150 shot on a LS1 to run high 11's. So its very easy to have a 11 second car now.
If its easy to do its not that immpressive. But if you can run 11's N/A thats pretty good but nowadays if you have a blower or turbo and are'nt in the 10's you aint nothing special for what you have.

Ok but there are faster fbodys than your car, so how is your's impressive that was the question. we can talk about the big pictur ein a minute but right now I just want you to answer the question.

Ok but there are faster fbodys than your car, so how is your's impressive that was the question. we can talk about the big pictur ein a minute but right now I just want you to answer the question.

I never said my car was impressive . When did I say the my car was "immpresive"?But If I had the $$ I could make it as fast as any F body out there. But no matter how much money you have you'll NEVER make a civic to be as fast as the fastest V8's. The big picture is that you can build a turbo V8 to make more power than a turbo 4 or 6cyl.
But I'm definatly not impressed by 12 second civic's
And I'm not that immpressed with 10 second F bodies. Theres alot of 9 and 8 seocond LS1's now and a couple of them in the 7's. So a 10 second LS1 is kind of common now just like 9 second mustangs.

I never said my car was impressive . When did I say the my car was "immpresive"?And the big picture is that you can build a turbo V8 to make more power than a turbo 4 or 6cyl.
But I'm definatly not impressed by 12 second civic's

Ok so you car isnt impressive, then why mention that you were not impressed by the civic, apparently your own car doesnt impress you.

Ok so you car isnt impressive, then why mention that you were not impressed by the civic, apparently your own car doesnt impress you.

.Its fairly easy to go 9's in a 5.0 with a power adder now. There running mid 9's in NMRA real street which only allows small street blowers,stock cam,unported aftermarket heads (there's a list of legal heads) and 5 speeds only

.Its fairly easy to go 9's in a 5.0 with a power adder now. There running mid 9's in NMRA real street which only allows small street blowers,stock cam,unported aftermarket heads (there's a list of legal heads) and 5 speeds only


But there are faster cars, so we have two facts. fact 1 is you are not impressed with your car, fact 2 is there are faster fbodys than your mustang. now that makes me wonder why you are still driving a mustang since obviously a fbody is superior... because its faster

But there are faster cars, so we have two facts. fact 1 is you are not impressed with your car, fact 2 is there are faster fbodys than your mustang. now that makes me wonder why you are still driving a mustang since obviously a fbody is superior... because its faster

Accually I have a 2000 LS1 trans am too!!!

Accually I have a 2000 LS1 trans am too!!!

does it run 6's like mike moran?

does it run 6's like mike moran?
Not yet!!But It could with some $$ unlike hondas. were's all the 6 sec. hondas? BTW what kind of times is your car running anyway? 8's probally.

Not yet!!But It could with some $$ unlike hondas


but apprantly it cant or else it would be..

but apprantly it cant or else it would be..
I see how your changing my posts. I said that with the $$ I could get a car in the 6's. you changed it to say I would. kind of childish :rolleyes:

I see how your changing my posts. I said that with the $$ I could get a car in the 6's. you changed it to say I would. kind of childish :rolleyes:



your exact words were

Not yet!!But It could with some $$ unlike hondas. were's all the 6 sec. hondas? BTW what kind of times is your car running anyway? 8's probally.


so this implies that it will run 6's one day.

the not yet was a joke. just like you asking me if it ran 6's.What I ment was that If I had the $$$ it could be done. I did'nt say I was going to do it. Also I dont think Mike Morans has a LS1 in his 6 second car.But with a civic ,even if someone had the cash. they dont have the technology yet to make a FWD civic run 6's. As far as I know the only FWD in the 7's is a scion.

I never said anything about the 2000hp cars running on the street. They run at the track in the pro-strret classes were the big dogs run. At the track the fastest turbo cars are the american V8's. I personaly seen Chuck Samual run 6.29@220 in a single turbo mustang. I dont beleive I saw ANY civic's or Evo's running any quicker or faster.

And about the 775hp kit. I just wanted to let everyone out there know that you need a s*** load of other expensive parts than the $4500 turbo upgrade kit to make those power numbers.
And I pointed out that the blower on my car is capable just as much if not more hp that that turbo unit and for $1200 less. What do you have to say about that?

why even bring up drag cars then? this was a conversation about street cars. i could personally give a damn less about drag cars. im not really impressed by something that can ONLY go in a straight line. so again, show me how these cars are not something impressive.

and my opinion about your Novi, you WAY overpaid. if your blower alone was 1200 less than that kit, and can support the same hp then thats fine. but that turbo kit comes with oil feeds, wastegate, turbo header, intake tubing, filter ect ect ect. you bought an overpriced blower headunit.

why even bring up drag cars then? this was a conversation about street cars. i could personally give a damn less about drag cars. im not really impressed by something that can ONLY go in a straight line. so again, show me how these cars are not something impressive.

and my opinion about your Novi, you WAY overpaid. if your blower alone was 1200 less than that kit, and can support the same hp then thats fine. but that turbo kit comes with oil feeds, wastegate, turbo header, intake tubing, filter ect ect ect. you bought an overpriced blower headunit.

I paid that 6 years ago brand new.Prices may have dropped a little since. It was the whole kit not just the head unit.Everything needed to install just like the $4500 turbo kit.But my whole kit like I said was $1200 less.

I paid that 6 years ago brand new.Prices may have dropped a little since. It was the whole kit not just the head unit.Everything needed to install just like the $4500 turbo kit.But my whole kit like I said was $1200 less.

ah, see i misunderstood that part then. i thought you paid that just for the headunit itself. i wont say much more about it to save us from a turbo vs. supercharger debate.

ah, see i misunderstood that part then. i thought you paid that just for the headunit itself. i wont say much more about it to save us from a turbo vs. supercharger debate.

Don'y worry about that debate. I think that turbos are better. I have a supercharger becuase the class I originally set the car up for ,FFW's street renegade class does'nt allow turbo's.What we were talking about earlier was price and i think it was Jim that linked over to the site that had the turbo upgrade for $4500 and I wanted to show him how someone could buy a supercharger for a V8 that makes similar power as that particular turbo for less. Thats all I meant and I got into this huge debate.

Don'y worry about that debate. I think that turbos are better. I have a supercharger becuase the class I originally set the car up for ,FFW's street renegade class does'nt allow turbo's.What we were talking about earlier was price and i think it was Jim that linked over to the site that had the turbo upgrade for $4500 and I wanted to show him how someone could buy a supercharger for a V8 that makes similar power as that particular turbo for less. Thats all I meant and I got into this huge debate.

nah if youve been around here enough, youll know that everything you argued with is ALWAYS said "against" imports. if an import beating a domestic is caught on tape and posted here, someone will ALWAYS come in thinking we are saying one is better than the other. and more and more and more and well you get the picture. people just cant be mature enough to say nice car and move on it seems.

nah if youve been around here enough, youll know that everything you argued with is ALWAYS said "against" imports. if an import beating a domestic is caught on tape and posted here, someone will ALWAYS come in thinking we are saying one is better than the other. and more and more and more and well you get the picture. people just cant be mature enough to say nice car and move on it seems.


actually what the say is "I'm not impressed because john force, mike moran and chuck samuels runs 6's therefore nothing under 6's is fast unless its a mustang or fbody that runs 9's in which case its equal to the 6 second car"

:cool:

I paid that 6 years ago brand new.Prices may have dropped a little since. It was the whole kit not just the head unit.Everything needed to install just like the $4500 turbo kit.But my whole kit like I said was $1200 less.
Wow, a whopping 1200. That almost makes the Evo build up cost as much as a house, right? :rolleyes:

Like I said: the link I pointed you to charges premium prices. There are far cheaper kits available. It's the equivalent of buying an Incon kit for Mustangs back in the day. Pricey, but great parts.

you know funny you should mention "real hot rodders". my uncle happens to have resto modded a true 32 ford coupe. i know its a real one because HIS father bought it brand new in 1932. and it sat in my uncles garage for MANY years where i remember seeing it apart. its now bright ass yellow with an EFI 351 windsor in it. he tours on the Good Guys car showing circuit. one night about 5 years ago me and him got into a conversation about imports and what he thought about them. he said something to the effect of "those guys really have something cool going on there. the way they add different parts and stuff is exactly like what i used to do in the 50s with my car. only its more modernized." so, matt, tell me something, if a "true hot rodder" said something like that, then what merit does your arguement hold here? :confused:

and what has "honduh" done with what they have learned? well lets see. they are now walking on the edge of 300hp from a v6 in a fwd family sedan that gets very good gas mileage. several years ago their sedans were running stock lt1 times with 2 fewer cylinders, 2 more doors and fwd. so YOU tell ME what they HAVENT done.

and lastly, there is no way on gods green earth your turd of a motor will EVER compare to anything built after 1993. not ever. so in your sick and twisted little world where you think a hopped up 305 can be faster than anything with more than 100whp, i hope and pray that you run into ANY sort of decently modded import. because it wont be pretty. i would actually pay to be there that day.

PS, you might be able to build a 335 stroker for 1500 bones, but good luck with having it break into even the mid to low 12s and still be anything close to streetable.

You know whats even funnier? My g/f's (not that you know what a *girlfriend is, as you are too busy bonering over your freaking imports) mom's boyfriend is about 55. Everytime one of those retarded sh*t-mobiles fly's by the house, he always swears and says "damned econobox trash; i hate those f*cking weedwhackers :rolleyes: ".


But.. yoru aren't trying to disprove the fact that a BRAND NEW honday civic puts out 115hp; how is that ANY WHERE NEAR the 340hp that an LS1 puts out?
Man are you guys retarded :mad:

you know funny you should mention "real hot rodders". my uncle happens to have resto modded a true 32 ford coupe. i know its a real one because HIS father bought it brand new in 1932. and it sat in my uncles garage for MANY years where i remember seeing it apart. its now bright ass yellow with an EFI 351 windsor in it. he tours on the Good Guys car showing circuit. one night about 5 years ago me and him got into a conversation about imports and what he thought about them. he said something to the effect of "those guys really have something cool going on there. the way they add different parts and stuff is exactly like what i used to do in the 50s with my car. only its more modernized." so, matt, tell me something, if a "true hot rodder" said something like that, then what merit does your arguement hold here? :confused:

and what has "honduh" done with what they have learned? well lets see. they are now walking on the edge of 300hp from a v6 in a fwd family sedan that gets very good gas mileage. several years ago their sedans were running stock lt1 times with 2 fewer cylinders, 2 more doors and fwd. so YOU tell ME what they HAVENT done.

and lastly, there is no way on gods green earth your turd of a motor will EVER compare to anything built after 1993. not ever. so in your sick and twisted little world where you think a hopped up 305 can be faster than anything with more than 100whp, i hope and pray that you run into ANY sort of decently modded import. because it wont be pretty. i would actually pay to be there that day.

PS, you might be able to build a 335 stroker for 1500 bones, but good luck with having it break into even the mid to low 12s and still be anything close to streetable.

You know whats even funnier? My g/f's (not that you know what a *girlfriend is, as you are too busy bonering over your freaking imports) mom's boyfriend is about 55. Everytime one of those retarded sh*t-mobiles fly's by the house, he always swears and says "damned econobox trash; i hate those f*cking weedwhackers :rolleyes: ".


But.. yoru aren't trying to disprove the fact that a BRAND NEW honday civic puts out 115hp; how is that ANY WHERE NEAR the 340hp that an LS1 puts out?
Man are you guys retarded :mad:

You know whats even funnier? My g/f's (not that you know what a *girlfriend is, as you are too busy bonering over your freaking imports) mom's boyfriend is about 55. Everytime one of those retarded sh*t-mobiles fly's by the house, he always swears and says "damned econobox trash; i hate those f*cking weedwhackers :rolleyes: ".

and some old people still think the world is flat. matt i gave you a perfect example to show you that even old shcool hot rodders respect what kids are doing today. yet you didnt even touch on that fact, i wonder why? :confused: :rolleyes:


But.. yoru aren't trying to disprove the fact that a BRAND NEW honday civic puts out 115hp; how is that ANY WHERE NEAR the 340hp that an LS1 puts out?
Man are you guys retarded :mad:

why do i need to? the 115hp civic IS an economy car. you dont mention the civic Si, or the GSR integra or the Integra type r, or the civic type r, or the new integra type r in japan. since we are comparing base models, lets look at the base model camaro shall we? 220hp isnt it? thats pathetic for a $20k sports car.

BTW i noticed you just so happened to skip over my question in the other thread. let me go copy and paste is over here. here we go.

ive tried to be nice all along, but you really DONT know wtf you are talking about do you? boost pressure has very little to do with hp output.

let me ask you something. hypothetically here, say i have an ls1 and i want to turbo it. which would be the better turbo for my car with a near stock redline (lets say 6500 rpms)?

A. T70
B. T76
C. T88
D. None of the above

if no one answers before you do, i bet you get it wrong. and how is it suddenly worse to "hand somebody 3g's for a turbo, and then just push the accelerator and win." than it is to hand someone 25-30k for a (then) brand new ls1 and run the same times? that has nothing to do with this arguement anyway.

and lastly, not a single person on this site has proven my "ricer-logic" wrong.

have fun. :)

have fun. :)

While it isn't directed at me, i'll point out that little "question" of yours is very vague. Better? What do you mean by that? T70s have made close to 700rwhp, while T76GTS and T88 turbos have both made 1000rwhp in sub-400 cubic inch SBCs of all generations, with close to the rpm limit you imposed (and ~20psi). All were hitting full boost by 4000-4500rpm on the dyno with respectably small turbine housings and A/R ratios, which dyno's tend to hurt spool-up with turbos due to lack of loading, and real-world loads usually make them do a little better. Given the choices above, i'd use the biggest i can afford. Price differences aren't much and boost response isn't much different either. Check out the dyno section of www.turbomustangs.com and see what those guys are doing with the turbos you speak of. A few are over 1000rwhp while not going over 6500rpm, with Brent's foxbody hitting 1177rwhp/1097rwtq at 32psi.

Anything with wheels can be made fast, the fastest cars will belong to the guys with the fattest wallet. In the end brand name and everything else doesn't matter, it's all about who can spend more, but no matter how fast they become, I will never like imports. I don't have to have a reason and I won't debate it because it's all just personal preferance. I have nothing against people who like imports (I have friends that have them) I just don't like them myself. Just my opinion, not wright or wrong.

By 87camracer: QUOTE (nah if youve been around here enough, youll know that everything you argued with is ALWAYS said "against" imports. if an import beating a domestic is caught on tape and posted here, someone will ALWAYS come in thinking we are saying one is better than the other. and more and more and more and well you get the picture. people just cant be mature enough to say nice car and move on it seems.) QUOTE

What else would you expect, this is CAMAROZ28.com . It is a site for people that like F-bodys. If you posted that on an Evo site everyone would love it. This is like going onto a Christian forum and posting a video of Christ being crucified and saying "Man, those Jews really whooped Jesus' ass."

It didnt cost a assload of cash to make that EVO fast. Im not shure what mods he has, but heres basically what it takes to make that kind of power.

Bottom end
Turbo kit
Cams
Fuel system / fuel managment

+ alot of boost

It didnt cost a assload of cash to make that EVO fast. Im not shure what mods he has, but heres basically what it takes to make that kind of power.

Bottom end
Turbo kit
Cams
Fuel system / fuel managment

+ alot of boost



which can be said for any car

Is that evo from the chitown area or was it just built by ams?

which can be said for any car

Not In a camaro

You have to upgrade the trans if its an auto, and regardless get a new rearend. + suspension to get it to hook.

In that EVO, He could have built it to that power level, added a clutch and been done with it.

I still like F-bodys more. Just stating the obvious you didnt.

While it isn't directed at me, i'll point out that little "question" of yours is very vague. Better? What do you mean by that? T70s have made close to 700rwhp, while T76GTS and T88 turbos have both made 1000rwhp in sub-400 cubic inch SBCs of all generations, with close to the rpm limit you imposed (and ~20psi). All were hitting full boost by 4000-4500rpm on the dyno with respectably small turbine housings and A/R ratios, which dyno's tend to hurt spool-up with turbos due to lack of loading, and real-world loads usually make them do a little better. Given the choices above, i'd use the biggest i can afford. Price differences aren't much and boost response isn't much different either. Check out the dyno section of www.turbomustangs.com and see what those guys are doing with the turbos you speak of. A few are over 1000rwhp while not going over 6500rpm, with Brent's foxbody hitting 1177rwhp/1097rwtq at 32psi.

since you said exactly what i figured matt would say ill go ahead and spill the beans. in short yes you can make TONS of power with any of those turbos, but the correct answer for a street car in this case is going to be "D. None of the above". i say that because of the powerband you will have with those turbos. you say they will spool around 4k rpms or so, but the redline is set to 6500rpms. so youll only have anout 2500 rpms of full boost? thats why supras run the times they do and trap like they do. if you size the turbo more appropriately then your car will be faster.

It is a site for people that like F-bodys. If you posted that on an Evo site everyone would love it. This is like going onto a Christian forum and posting a video of Christ being crucified and saying "Man, those Jews really whooped Jesus' ass."
That would be true if I also posted a video of Jesus whooping the Jews...

C'mon man, look at my sig. I'm obviously a fan of domestics (even owned 2 f-bodies) and I've shown this particular Evo both winning and losing.

since you said exactly what i figured matt would say ill go ahead and spill the beans. in short yes you can make TONS of power with any of those turbos, but the correct answer for a street car in this case is going to be "D. None of the above". i say that because of the powerband you will have with those turbos. you say they will spool around 4k rpms or so, but the redline is set to 6500rpms. so youll only have anout 2500 rpms of full boost? thats why supras run the times they do and trap like they do. if you size the turbo more appropriately then your car will be faster.

What size turbo would you choose? I would suggest looking at some compressor maps before you answer.

since you said exactly what i figured matt would say....

Aw come on, you didn't "figure" anything.

ill go ahead and spill the beans. in short yes you can make TONS of power with any of those turbos, but the correct answer for a street car in this case is going to be "D. None of the above". i say that because of the powerband you will have with those turbos. you say they will spool around 4k rpms or so, but the redline is set to 6500rpms. so youll only have anout 2500 rpms of full boost? thats why supras run the times they do and trap like they do. if you size the turbo more appropriately then your car will be faster.

With a T56 shifting at 6500, the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts only drop back to ~4800 with the 3-4 shift clocking in at about 5400rpm. Nice 2500rpm window to operate in, but once you get rolling the turbo has enough momentum to get back into boost that you'd never notice during shifts. A 350 makes enough torque NA to get out of the hole very fast, and as i said before, they'll actually spool a little quicker on the street. And turbos coupled with an automatic is the ultimate combo, trust me. You get into boost pretty fast and you never loose it with an auto anytime after you go WOT.

If your "assumptions" are right, then go tell that to JZ SS 1500, INTMD8, and a number of others with cars with those "too big of a turbo" making 900rwhp+ in true street cars. They'll laugh you right off the planet.

http://www.ls1speed.com/movies/jim.wmv (INTMD8 when he had the single GT80, ~780rwhp)
http://www.ls1speed.com/movies/dan.WMV (danimal's 1020rwhp mustang, twin GT61s)
http://www.ls1speed.com/movies/980.WMV (INTMD8 with the twins, ~880rwhp, still an M6 weighing in at ~3700lbs)
http://www.swtracing.com/videos/BrentDyno1178HP.AVI (Brent's 302 fox, single 88mm at 32psi, 5-speed)
http://home.comcast.net/~deezuns/MM836.wmv (MIGHTMOUSE's formula, daily driven, single Turbonetics 76mm HP turbo, now makes over 900rwhp on 93 pump gas and methanol injection)
http://home.comcast.net/~mightym0use/1078pump.wmv (shakedown runs on street tires)

Not much lag in these "True" street cars with "big" turbos. There's a lot more out there if that's not enough proof for you. V8s with turbos play by a different set of rules than imports, if you and GotBoost haven't noticed.

^Looks to me as though none of the "imports rock the planet" fanatics have had anything to say about any of the technicalities being told as of now ;)

Quick car. Give him that.

Not any faster then my car on 4# with the FMU/inline pump. Ran a bolt on LS1 and pulled just as much if not a bit more then he did on his. I would have LOVED to have run him with my old procharger setup. Don't know if he wants any of my current setup though...where is this EVO at? ;)

^Only 4lbs :eek:
What size was the procharger?

^Looks to me as though none of the "imports rock the planet" fanatics have had anything to say about any of the technicalities being told as of now ;)

Wong again Matt (http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=253322) full weight street cars with a/c power steering etc...


;)

Quick car. Give him that.

Not any faster then my car on 4# with the FMU/inline pump. You had a 10 second car with 4lbs of boost? :bs:

Quick car. Give him that.

where is this EVO at? ;)

Pensacola, FL :D

Aw come on, you didn't "figure" anything.



With a T56 shifting at 6500, the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts only drop back to ~4800 with the 3-4 shift clocking in at about 5400rpm. Nice 2500rpm window to operate in, but once you get rolling the turbo has enough momentum to get back into boost that you'd never notice during shifts. A 350 makes enough torque NA to get out of the hole very fast, and as i said before, they'll actually spool a little quicker on the street. And turbos coupled with an automatic is the ultimate combo, trust me. You get into boost pretty fast and you never loose it with an auto anytime after you go WOT.

If your "assumptions" are right, then go tell that to JZ SS 1500, INTMD8, and a number of others with cars with those "too big of a turbo" making 900rwhp+ in true street cars. They'll laugh you right off the planet.

http://www.ls1speed.com/movies/jim.wmv (INTMD8 when he had the single GT80, ~780rwhp)
http://www.ls1speed.com/movies/dan.WMV (danimal's 1020rwhp mustang, twin GT61s)
http://www.ls1speed.com/movies/980.WMV (INTMD8 with the twins, ~880rwhp, still an M6 weighing in at ~3700lbs)
http://www.swtracing.com/videos/BrentDyno1178HP.AVI (Brent's 302 fox, single 88mm at 32psi, 5-speed)
http://home.comcast.net/~deezuns/MM836.wmv (MIGHTMOUSE's formula, daily driven, single Turbonetics 76mm HP turbo, now makes over 900rwhp on 93 pump gas and methanol injection)
http://home.comcast.net/~mightym0use/1078pump.wmv (shakedown runs on street tires)

Not much lag in these "True" street cars with "big" turbos. There's a lot more out there if that's not enough proof for you. V8s with turbos play by a different set of rules than imports, if you and GotBoost haven't noticed.

i guess read comprehension isnt a friend of yours. i said that they can make tons of hp and can run good times. your links just proved what i said. but its my opinion that they can be a bit faster with a smaller turbo better suited for their needs. obviously im talkin more in terms of lower hp mostly stock engined cars. like the guy buyin an *insert turbo kit name here* for his stock ls1 engine. most come with turbos in the t70 range. in fact i believe the Phamspeed kit (www.phamspeed.com) DOES come with the t70 with bigger upgrades as options. those are big turbos and DO make good power on an ls1 but the turbos are designed for higher boost levels than what they will be running on a stock ls1 or any ls1 for that matter. yes a bigger turbo flowing more cfm of air at a given boost level will make better hp and can even make the same hp as a smaller turbo at less boost. but IMO that comes at a sacrafice to torque and power under the curve. no one has ever tested this so i cant prove or disprove it. but thats my opinion.

and for the guy asking what turbo i would run, it depends on the application. but if i were goin for a good fast street car i would go for 2 smaller turbos over a single anyway. but if i went single (and depending on other mods) i would go with something around an SC61.

i guess read comprehension isnt a friend of yours. i said that they can make tons of hp and can run good times. your links just proved what i said. but its my opinion that they can be a bit faster with a smaller turbo better suited for their needs. obviously im talkin more in terms of lower hp mostly stock engined cars. like the guy buyin an *insert turbo kit name here* for his stock ls1 engine. most come with turbos in the t70 range. in fact i believe the Phamspeed kit (www.phamspeed.com) DOES come with the t70 with bigger upgrades as options. those are big turbos and DO make good power on an ls1 but the turbos are designed for higher boost levels than what they will be running on a stock ls1 or any ls1 for that matter. yes a bigger turbo flowing more cfm of air at a given boost level will make better hp and can even make the same hp as a smaller turbo at less boost. but IMO that comes at a sacrafice to torque and power under the curve. no one has ever tested this so i cant prove or disprove it. but thats my opinion.

and for the guy asking what turbo i would run, it depends on the application. but if i were goin for a good fast street car i would go for 2 smaller turbos over a single anyway. but if i went single (and depending on other mods) i would go with something around an SC61.

My reading comprehension is quite good. Your explanation skills could use some touching up, however, as you never once said you're only talking about turbos with stock engines. No one who is serious about turbocharging these cars are going to stay with the stock shortblock, for obvious reasons (the engines just won't last). They know, or should know, that sooner or later they're going to have to invest in a better bottom end when they step to the plate. "Sized for their needs" is subjective too, you mention that the cars in the links i posted above would be faster with smaller turbos.... those guys i linked to are very knowledgable on these things, in fact some of the best, and they KNOW what they're doing, and they KNOW the size turbos they need. If a smaller one was better, they would've used it. But they chose the "larger" turbos.

As for the rest of it, that's what i'm trying to get across to you... the terms "smaller" or "too large" are very vague and in the context that you're spitting out, it's very hard to tell what you mean. A T76 or T88 aren't too large for a 350 V8 compared to a 70mm or smaller turbo, and in the many cases i've seen between them, don't perform any worse than the "smaller" turbos out there in any speed range. They spool quite easily and produce powerbands well into the rpm windows the drivetrain operates in. Take Brent's car for example, he never reved over 6200 in any of his dynos, yet you can easily see how responsive the car was in every gear. I dare another fox built just like his with a t70 try to race him, he'd slaughter them in ANY kind of race. Yea a T70 might spool a second faster at launch, but that's a moot point when the T88 car blows his doors off shortly thereafter and continues to put bus lengths on him. Just because a turbo spools at 4k rpm doesn't make it slow, these V8s get to that rpm fast enough NA and so you won't notice much of a difference.

And you mention testing? Bud that's done on the tracks and the streets everyday. Some classes of NHRA, IHRA, and NMCA are allowing turbos and they're getting a lot faster. The SSO cars alone dropped from high 7s down to 7 flats and tickleing high 6s within just a couple of seasons of turbo's allowance of use. And the street V8 crowd is going to ever larger turbos (76+) and they aren't slowing down compared to the smaller turbos they came from. I'm supposing the "need" you refer to is the one to get faster. Well, there it is.

Your opinion is of your own, and i do respect it. I'm just hoping to shed a little light on "what used to be", and "what is". I used to buy into the "smaller is better" thing too with turbos, but with the more efficient exhaust/turbine wheel/turbine housing designs out these days, lag's presence isn't what it used to be.

Good post.

Camracer, you also gotta remember your experience is with Hondas and doesn't apply the same way to v8's. It's gonna take a lil 4 banger a lot longer to create enough exhaust gas to spool a big turbo like a T88 than it'll take a LS1 to spool that same turbo. It's like the turbo's on the big diesel semi's. There bigger than your head. You put that turbo on your honda and it won't spool til redline, whereas the big diesel engine is spinning it with ease. You gotta select the best turbo for the application.

Jason

My reading comprehension is quite good. Your explanation skills could use some touching up, however, as you never once said you're only talking about turbos with stock engines. No one who is serious about turbocharging these cars are going to stay with the stock shortblock, for obvious reasons (the engines just won't last). They know, or should know, that sooner or later they're going to have to invest in a better bottom end when they step to the plate. "Sized for their needs" is subjective too, you mention that the cars in the links i posted above would be faster with smaller turbos.... those guys i linked to are very knowledgable on these things, in fact some of the best, and they KNOW what they're doing, and they KNOW the size turbos they need. If a smaller one was better, they would've used it. But they chose the "larger" turbos.

As for the rest of it, that's what i'm trying to get across to you... the terms "smaller" or "too large" are very vague and in the context that you're spitting out, it's very hard to tell what you mean. A T76 or T88 aren't too large for a 350 V8 compared to a 70mm or smaller turbo, and in the many cases i've seen between them, don't perform any worse than the "smaller" turbos out there in any speed range. They spool quite easily and produce powerbands well into the rpm windows the drivetrain operates in. Take Brent's car for example, he never reved over 6200 in any of his dynos, yet you can easily see how responsive the car was in every gear. I dare another fox built just like his with a t70 try to race him, he'd slaughter them in ANY kind of race. Yea a T70 might spool a second faster at launch, but that's a moot point when the T88 car blows his doors off shortly thereafter and continues to put bus lengths on him. Just because a turbo spools at 4k rpm doesn't make it slow, these V8s get to that rpm fast enough NA and so you won't notice much of a difference.

And you mention testing? Bud that's done on the tracks and the streets everyday. Some classes of NHRA, IHRA, and NMCA are allowing turbos and they're getting a lot faster. The SSO cars alone dropped from high 7s down to 7 flats and tickleing high 6s within just a couple of seasons of turbo's allowance of use. And the street V8 crowd is going to ever larger turbos (76+) and they aren't slowing down compared to the smaller turbos they came from. I'm supposing the "need" you refer to is the one to get faster. Well, there it is.

Your opinion is of your own, and i do respect it. I'm just hoping to shed a little light on "what used to be", and "what is". I used to buy into the "smaller is better" thing too with turbos, but with the more efficient exhaust/turbine wheel/turbine housing designs out these days, lag's presence isn't what it used to be.

Wong again Matt (http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=253322) full weight street cars with a/c power steering etc...


;)

I'm not about to join some damned supra forum to see what the hell you are talking about, but the import fanatics I was reffering to was you and camaracer ;)

My reading comprehension is quite good. Your explanation skills could use some touching up, however, as you never once said you're only talking about turbos with stock engines. No one who is serious about turbocharging these cars are going to stay with the stock shortblock, for obvious reasons (the engines just won't last). They know, or should know, that sooner or later they're going to have to invest in a better bottom end when they step to the plate. "Sized for their needs" is subjective too, you mention that the cars in the links i posted above would be faster with smaller turbos.... those guys i linked to are very knowledgable on these things, in fact some of the best, and they KNOW what they're doing, and they KNOW the size turbos they need. If a smaller one was better, they would've used it. But they chose the "larger" turbos.

As for the rest of it, that's what i'm trying to get across to you... the terms "smaller" or "too large" are very vague and in the context that you're spitting out, it's very hard to tell what you mean. A T76 or T88 aren't too large for a 350 V8 compared to a 70mm or smaller turbo, and in the many cases i've seen between them, don't perform any worse than the "smaller" turbos out there in any speed range. They spool quite easily and produce powerbands well into the rpm windows the drivetrain operates in. Take Brent's car for example, he never reved over 6200 in any of his dynos, yet you can easily see how responsive the car was in every gear. I dare another fox built just like his with a t70 try to race him, he'd slaughter them in ANY kind of race. Yea a T70 might spool a second faster at launch, but that's a moot point when the T88 car blows his doors off shortly thereafter and continues to put bus lengths on him. Just because a turbo spools at 4k rpm doesn't make it slow, these V8s get to that rpm fast enough NA and so you won't notice much of a difference.

And you mention testing? Bud that's done on the tracks and the streets everyday. Some classes of NHRA, IHRA, and NMCA are allowing turbos and they're getting a lot faster. The SSO cars alone dropped from high 7s down to 7 flats and tickleing high 6s within just a couple of seasons of turbo's allowance of use. And the street V8 crowd is going to ever larger turbos (76+) and they aren't slowing down compared to the smaller turbos they came from. I'm supposing the "need" you refer to is the one to get faster. Well, there it is.

Your opinion is of your own, and i do respect it. I'm just hoping to shed a little light on "what used to be", and "what is". I used to buy into the "smaller is better" thing too with turbos, but with the more efficient exhaust/turbine wheel/turbine housing designs out these days, lag's presence isn't what it used to be.

wow kinda forgot about this thread. :lol:

ya i understand big power can and IS made with "big" turbos. with the short time i looked at it, i would liked to be around an SC61 (t3 flange) on a single turbo ls1. i wouldnt really wanna rev any higher than 7k rpms as valvetrain life even that high becomes an issue. and yes for a while it would be on a stock engine.

and ya i know that cars are running faster with bigger turbos than smaller ones. and im not saying that you will slow down when you go to a big turbo. what im saying is the turbo kits available today are nice. but IMO the turbos are still too large for a stock bottom end and rev limit as well as the boost the owners would be running. most are around $5k just for the kit (yes you can get them cheaper). some need supporting parts (ala fuel ect). it adds up real fast and is a BIG reason why most start out with lower boost levels on a stock engine. a t76 running at 9psi or so on a stock engine shifting at 6k-6500 (some run into fuel problems above 6k from what ive seen) just isnt putting that turbo where its designed to be. yes that car will be fast but i bet the same setup with a t3 flange running with an sc61 or so sized turbo would pull on it on the highway. in fact when i briefly looked into buying an mk3 supra, i was planning on the SP63 turbo from Sound Performance. it spooled around 3500 rpms. and IMO would be better suited for the street and especially a stock engine than say a t76 or so sized turbo. BTW i know im bein real generic here, been a long long day..lol

and yellavette, im aware that a honda will take longer to spool a decent sized turbo compared to the same turbo on an ls1. the exhaust velocity simply isnt there.

The car is pretty quick from a roll. Its dead out of the hole though. It ran 7.3x@97-100 in a 1/8

That Evo, is the shops Evo as stated on your link. Is it me or does it seem like that the vast majoity of very fast imports are owned by speed shops who can pick whatever part they want off the self and put it on or the fully sponsorded rides? Not average guys like you see owning 8-9 second american made cars.
Whats a import lover gonna due when it runs into a 600+cid big block with twin turbos making over 2200hp? run home to mama!! :rolleyes:
they got single turbo small blocks running low 6's making over 2000hp.

:clapping: very well put.

david

^Only 4lbs :eek:
What size was the procharger?


Little lowly P1SC Now the TA is getting a big hawk'n turbo :D

You had a 10 second car with 4lbs of boost? :bs:


Never said I did Jim. I am just saying that a light bolt on LS1 like the one that Evo ran...I have run also. It was looked to be about the same pace of me pulling the LS1 I ran vs the one he ran. ET is based on traction, something I didn't have nor with the 10 bolt wanted to try.

I don't understand you're "hate" I gave the Evo props..damn. harsh crowd.

Pensacola, FL :D


Sweet. I'll be passing through sometime this year. I have to hit up a 'Canes game ya know. ;)

Little lowly P1SC Now the TA is getting a big hawk'n turbo :D

Awesome dude :cool: