95 Z28 Vs. 04 Cobra.... oh wow...

Now i know this guy probably wasnt the greatest driver in the universe, he was just some punk kid that daddy obviously bought him the car..... assuming the car was his at all..... but i pulled up to a stop sign today with a brand new.... supercharged....4.6L mustang cobra.....6 speed? 5? im not sure, but i know it was a stick... im almost positive it was a 6 though (not big on mustang trivia) but anyways, so i launch it..... he launches it.... and i neglected to see that he was even a cobra..... it was at night, and the car was black.... so it was hard to see much detail... but my friend pointed it out later and i stopped and asked him if it was a cobra and he affirmed it... even admitted to it being supercharged.... i will not try to say i beat it... but god DAMN i was close.... for my car with what it has? i was only about 2 car lengths behind him after the (estimated) 1/4 mile mark....( from start to finish i counted to 14 and estimated how far he was with an average 1/4 mile time... i know its flawed but hey, either way, he wasnt 5 cars ahead of me...) i was disappointed at first, because i thought i just got ripped by a stock GT... because when we first pulled to the light all he said was it was stock with exhaust... and didnt mention it was a stock cobra.... but i was stoked when i heard what it was... i HELD with a SUPERCHARGED COBRA!!!!! that made my firday night something special... i know i didnt beat it, but i know without spending a whole lot i know i could tear some paint off of one of those.... i figure with a new stall converter... flywheel... and full exhaust (headers, and some type of catback system) i would be able to take him..... and no i dont want bob cosby in here talkin mess about how i shouldnt and couldnt have been able to hang as i did with that car, because i have a flesh and blood witness to it, and if i ever see the mustang dude again on the street ill tell his ass to come on here and affirm it for you..... im sorry but im proud that an auto 95 Z28 can run with an 04 cobra... and still get smoked... but nowhere NEAR an embarassment like i thought it would be.....i was just relieved to hear that it wasnt a GT that smoked me.... i was beginning to wonder if i was losing power.... you know how when you drive a car with no current mods on it for a long time it just doesnt seem that fast anymore after a while? yeah.... i figured if i just got blown by a stock GT with exhaust... there was something SERIOUSLY wrong with my car mechanically... but hey... cant argue with how it went down tonite :) i can handle that... :bow:

ROFLOL. You know, mentioning me in your post is not a smart thing to do. I'd of been more than happy to read your post, get a little chuckle from it, and then go on. But oh well. :)

There was likely nothing wrong with that car. With a poor driver, even your wore out LT1 with a grey hood could stay with it (which is why I have no problem believing your story). Don't pat yourself on the back too hard though, an 03/04 Cobra is a high 12 second car in stock form with a a good driver, which is quite capable of obliterating a lightly-modded low 14 second LT1. Not a slam - just a fact.

You have also discovered how nice it is to have an A4 against an M6 (all 03/04s are M6s). All you have to do is stab and steer. The other guy actually has to have skill (which was obviously lacking in this case).

ROFLOL. You know, mentioning me in your post is not a smart thing to do. I'd of been more than happy to read your post, get a little chuckle from it, and then go on. But oh well. :)

There was likely nothing wrong with that car. With a poor driver, even your wore out LT1 with a grey hood could stay with it (which is why I have no problem believing your story). Don't pat yourself on the back too hard though, an 03/04 Cobra is a high 12 second car in stock form with a a good driver, which is quite capable of obliterating a lightly-modded low 14 second LT1. Not a slam - just a fact.

You have also discovered how nice it is to have an A4 against an M6 (all 03/04s are M6s). All you have to do is stab and steer. The other guy actually has to have skill (which was obviously lacking in this case).


True that.
A half decent driver would make your car look like a Honda, no ifs and's or buts. ;)

I raced one out at the track last night. My only loss of the night. It was naturally quite a bit faster but due to his inability to cut a decent RT and a bad 60 ft., it was actually a good race. He nipped me by less than a car. My buddy with a '95 Talon TSI returned the favor a couple passes later. :D

the way i see it... yeah all i REALLY have to do it hit the gas, but there IS a small bit of technique in driving an auto... like how high to bring your revs up before launching, and how much gas to give it so you dont lose traction... things like that.... when he launched? he had decent traction... and i would have assumed that with him changing gears and not missing (as in he seemed to have the gears where they needed to be when they needed to be there) his car even with a bad driver wouldnt lose 2 seconds in the 1/4....... granted it WAS a street race... so he probably wasnt going "balls out".... but then again..... neither was i....

Good run, but an '04 Cobra is a high 12, low 13 second car. With a better driver in the Cobra, it could have been an ugly loss. But it wasn't, so cogratulations.

Bottom line is a race is a race. Even if the almighty cobra missed a shift, or if it was a bad driver. None the less, u hung with him and didn't get smoked that time. Nice race.

.....even with a bad driver wouldnt lose 2 seconds in the 1/4.......

I've seen (with my own two beedy little eyes) brand new 03 Cobra's run 14.5 @ 104 mph. That's about 2 seconds and 8 mph off what a well driven Cobra is capable of running.

Ya, a bad driver (with a manual) can have a HUGE effect on the outcome of a race. Good or bad.

Zeedub,
See what you can do about cleaning that sig up a bit. Too much whitespace...

So you're sandbagging the 04's eh?

-Mindgame

Drivers make all the difference in the world. I raced an 03/04 cobra at the track last weekend. I ran a 13.5 to his 14.1 !!!!! :eek: His mph was like 108 but could not launch. His best for the day was a 14.0... can you believe that shiznit?? In all reality I should have lost; but I did'nt. To the victor go the spoils. :D

He should have annihilated you, but this is proof anything can happen on the street...FYI all 03/04 cobras are 6 spds, and all cobras are stick...good runs

a race is a race is a race he still hung with him...thats like saying well gohliath won cause he is much stronger then david...even though david killed him...it should not have happened!

thus my point.... whether or not he SHOULD have won (which he did, but really not by much and i KNOW it would be a little bit worse if he was better..) but come on now man... neither of us were going all out, i didnt floor it off the line and neither did he.. it was a semi rolling start... and he hooked up just as good as i did.... so with his hp/tq he should...and i mean SHOULD have smoked me bad..... but here is how i see it.. if a new cobra... supercharged and everything was running a 14.5...... he had to have been SO BAD as to have been stuck at the starting line roasting his tires.... OR he was at half throttle damn near the whole race... COME ON GUYS! WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!?!?!? thats from high 12s to 14.5??!?!?!? that takes a PROFESSIONAL IDIOT to pull off.... you gotta actually TRY to screw up in order to make a run at 14.5 in a car capable of running high 12s.... granted i DO know a driver makes a difference.. mainly in how they hook up off the line... after that? its just shift speed... and he didnt miss any shifts... and since we had a semi-rolling start... (which i see to be a speed of 5 - 10mph before actually stomping the throttle) so i dont see how a whole lot of his driver skill was being used, when he had no traction issues and didnt miss a shift.... i mean maybe he was shiftin a bit slow, and maybe he was too small to reach the pedal for WOT.... who knows... a lot of factors could be considered, but only one of em is worth looking at....... the fact that on a timeslip i would have proof that i wasnt too much slower than a new 04 cobra...

and btw, someone mentioned an 03 cobra? were those even supercharged? it was to my knowledge that the SC version only came out in 2004+.... cuz when i worked at the hospital, the engineer had a 01 cobra, and it was cool, but nothing to blow your skirt up.... and he got his 04 cobra when it first came out... and said he only got it because they added an SC to it... so... why even use an 03 as ammunition? its a dud...

you guys seriously underestimate my car man.... this isnt my first car..... its my 10th.... and my 7th camaro....ive built 4 of those 10 cars... im not just sayin my car is fast because ive been driving a ford festiva all my life..... im sayin its fast because its faster than any car ive had.... including the 72 nova i restored... that had a 97 corvette 350 in it.... (of course, you have to consider it had a carburator conversion, and was in a 30 year old nova... so it wasnt really a whole lot of competition for another 97 vette.. so im not saying it was lighting fast..) but that car was damn quick, and this one? would eat it alive... i dont know WHAT it is, or WHY its like that, but the car says it has 150k miles on it (false due to gears, probably more like 125k) and with things like shift improvement, gears, ECM tuning, and intake.... this car is FUH-KING FAST!!!! nuff said...

You'd really do a lot better if you'd just learn when to shut up. Unfortunately, though you claim to "know enough" about cars, you certainly don't know enough about how the rest of the world turns.

Line item time....

thus my point.... whether or not he SHOULD have won (which he did, but really not by much and i KNOW it would be a little bit worse if he was better..) but come on now man... neither of us were going all out, i didnt floor it off the line and neither did he.. it was a semi rolling start...

So neither of you were going all out? Perhaps you were racing and he was not? And what is a "semi rolling start"? Either you were rolling, or you weren't. Either you were racing, or you weren't.

Simple, really.

and he hooked up just as good as i did....
My 04 hooks perfectly damn near everytime. Then again, I don't street race. Hey...maybe we're on to something here! See above statement that ends with "and he was not".

so with his hp/tq he should...and i mean SHOULD have smoked me bad.....
Correct.

but here is how i see it.. if a new cobra... supercharged and everything was running a 14.5...... he had to have been SO BAD as to have been stuck at the starting line roasting his tires.... OR he was at half throttle damn near the whole race... COME ON GUYS! WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!?!?!? thats from high 12s to 14.5??!?!?!? that takes a PROFESSIONAL IDIOT to pull off.... you gotta actually TRY to screw up in order to make a run at 14.5 in a car capable of running high 12s....
Those "professional idiots" were Ford Executives that brought a couple of 03 Cobra convertibles to the 2003 NMRA Columbus race last year. They had probably never even been to a dragstrip - to say nothing of running down one.

You know - they probably had something in common with you - never been to a drag strip. Does that make you a "PROFESSIONAL IDIOT" too? One could make a pretty good case for this.

granted i DO know a driver makes a difference.. mainly in how they hook up off the line... after that? its just shift speed...
Sorry, but that last statement shows you know squat about getting a manually-shifted car to accelerate quickly.

Stick with you stab-n-steer car, Jr.

and he didnt miss any shifts... and since we had a semi-rolling start... (which i see to be a speed of 5 - 10mph before actually stomping the throttle) so i dont see how a whole lot of his driver skill was being used, when he had no traction issues and didnt miss a shift....
Well, at least we defined "semi-rolling". So its rolling, just not rolling very fast? Thus "semi-rolling?" Got it.

As for driver skill...again, you know not what you speak of. Wouldn't it be interesting to put you in my 99 and watch you go a full second (or more)slower than I do? But its just shifting. Right?

i mean maybe he was shiftin a bit slow
How do you know this? Were you timing him?

and maybe he was too small to reach the pedal for WOT.... who knows...
Who knows indeed. The point is that you do not.

a lot of factors could be considered, but only one of em is worth looking at....... the fact that on a timeslip i would have proof that i wasnt too much slower than a new 04 cobra...
A) To get a timeslip one must visit the racetrack
B) Pat yourself on the back some more - a car that would normally fry you was driven poorly and allowed you to stay close.

and btw, someone mentioned an 03 cobra? were those even supercharged?
Yup.

it was to my knowledge that the SC version only came out in 2004+....
Which once again proves your depth of knowledge. Or not.

cuz when i worked at the hospital, the engineer had a 01 cobra, and it was cool, but nothing to blow your skirt up.... and he got his 04 cobra when it first came out... and said he only got it because they added an SC to it... so... why even use an 03 as ammunition? its a dud...
No, you're a dud - the 03 is virtually identical to the 04.

Hey, perhaps you raced an 02? Those were only semi-supercharged. You'd have stayed close to that one I bet.

you guys seriously underestimate my car man....
Not likely.

this isnt my first car..... its my 10th....
Seeing as you are 21, that is a rather scary thought.

and my 7th camaro....ive built 4 of those 10 cars...
Really? Did you used to work at one of GM's assembly plants or what?

im not just sayin my car is fast because ive been driving a ford festiva all my life..... im sayin its fast because its faster than any car ive had....
Wow.

including the 72 nova i restored... that had a 97 corvette 350 in it.... (of course, you have to consider it had a carburator conversion, and was in a 30 year old nova... so it wasnt really a whole lot of competition for another 97 vette.. so im not saying it was lighting fast..)
Wow #2

but that car was damn quick, and this one? would eat it alive...
If your low 14 second car would eat this Vette-engined Nova alive, then that that "damn quick" car was likely a 15 second ride.

A good race for your local Honda boys, but not fast.

And I just can't pass this one up....do you know what engine comes in a 97 Corvette?

You really should think before you type. Making things up on the internet is dumb - and makes you look the same.

i dont know WHAT it is, or WHY its like that, but the car says it has 150k miles on it (false due to gears, probably more like 125k) and with things like shift improvement, gears, ECM tuning, and intake.... this car is FUH-KING FAST!!!! nuff said...
In your world, and from your perspective, I'm sure it is.

Have fun.

Yeah, the LTSZR2 engine came in the 1997 Corvette.
Thanks! I was trying to remember the designator (I'd of put it in my post if I could).

:D

Come on now, don't blow your credibility. The block isn't what makes the engine so strong - it is the overbored crankshaft. I had a pic somewhere....I'll go try and find it.

OR he was at half throttle damn near the whole race... COME ON GUYS! WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!?!?!? .... granted i DO know a driver makes a difference.. mainly in how they hook up off the line... after that? its just shift speed... and he didnt miss any shifts...

While this may not be true of the Cobra, with my Z06, short shifting makes a big difference in E.T. and MPH, since the peak horsepower is right near redline.

.. the fact that on a timeslip i would have proof that i wasnt too much slower than a new 04 cobra...

Yeah, but you don't have one, so you have no proof. You have a SLIGHTLY modded LT1, and you think you're just a bit slower than an '04 Cobra? Keep dreaming.

it was to my knowledge that the SC version only came out in 2004+....

Ever hear of verifying what you think is true? The Eaton roots type SC DOHC Cobra came out in '03. http://www.modernracer.com/history/fordmustangsvtcobrahistory.html

you guys seriously underestimate my car man....

I disagree. You seriously OVERestimate your car. Essentially what you're saying is that your car is as fast or faster than an LS1. I don't buy it at all, not with the limited amount of mods that you have.

Bob- You're killing me! :bow: That line-by-line breakdown is one of the funniest posts I've ever read! :lol:

ZeeDub- There is two ways to restore your credibility to this thread. 1) Go to an actual racetrack, and show us YOUR 12 second timeslip (not the Cobras...). 2) Quit while you are behind. Not trying to rag on you, but this thread and your explanation of it is pretty damn ridiculous.

Bob Cosby- Are you always this arrogant with people on the board or do you just have something up your a$$ today? Zeedub- I give you props for hanging with that Cobra, they are very fast vehicles. :cool:

Bob Cosby- Are you always this arrogant with people on the board or do you just have something up your a$$ today?
Yes, and yes. As far as you know.

Stick around and find out, shippy.

Zeedub- I give you props for hanging with that Cobra, they are very fast vehicles. :cool:
Actually, I think my 04 is rather slow.

What I find humorous is people actually being concerned with credibility that someone designates they should or should not have-----on the internet. I'm sure they'll be losing sleep over it. What you guys need to realize is some people are still learning, some of you have 20 or more years of experience on these guys, give 'em a break. Either they'll learn their sh*t or they won't, but there's no need to publicly humiliate them, whether you like them or not. If they're as dumb as you assume, they'll humiliate themselves. Be a mentor, not judge/jury/executioner.

Very well said Birchman98z.

Be a mentor, not judge/jury/executioner.

I nominate BirchMan98z to be the mentor for ZeeDub. Good luck, BirchMan :lol:

Either they'll learn their sh*t or they won't, but there's no need to publicly humiliate them, whether you like them or not. If they're as dumb as you assume, they'll humiliate themselves. Be a mentor, not judge/jury/executioner.

I have no problem with someone with limited automotive knowledge, but to brag about yourself and your "expert" knowledge and tell everyone that you know more than them (while saying some ridiculous things I might add) is setting yourself up to be called out, plain and simple. I still find it humerous that Bob's identity was questioned in another thread and at some of the other banter that has been used. If you do not know something, admit it. There is no shame in that.

all i know that a4 LT1's are F-ing fast!!! Bob please no more auto bashing :cry:

TONY

LOL. Wanna know a dirty little secret? I LOVE A4s with loose converters. IMHO, they are a ton of fun to drive, both on the street and at the track. They suck gas, but oh well. Problem is, Ford A4s suck. Plain and simple. Add to that the fact that you'd need a converter about the size of a quarter to make a n/a DOHC perform at the track, and you'll soon realize why there are virtually no n/a A4 DOHC Cobra's out there.

I'll be glad to cut Zeedoo some slack. Starting now. :)

FWIW, let me through a couple of my pennies in here. Was at the track last month running my '04 Cobra. After making a couple of 12.1 passes (on F1's) a fellow Cobra owner walks over to check out my car. His was an '03 vert, other than that the cars were virtually identical, 2.8 pulley, CAI, flasher, midpipe and CB. He thought something was wrong with his car, he had bought it used. His best pass was a 13.4. He asked me to make a pass in his car, so I took it down the track. Now I am by no means a great driver, nowhere near as good as Mr Cosby :bow: but I'm pretty decent. Without really beating on the car like I do mine, with one pass only in the car I ran a 12.60. Kinda lends credence to the non-driver part of this story. You may have stayed close to the driver, but not the car.

I nominate BirchMan98z to be the mentor for ZeeDub. Good luck, BirchMan :lol:

:lol:

No one is ragging on Zeedub for being "knowledge-challenged". Its him yapping about his near-stock LT1 being...and I quote... "this car is FUH-KING FAST!!!! nuff said..." Wow. :rolleyes:

low 14 second eh? LOL wow... im just gonna leave you to pat yourself on the back, its obviously a very intimate thing you share with yourself....

I nominate BirchMan98z to be the mentor for ZeeDub. Good luck, BirchMan :lol:

lol I'm just an advice giver, not a miracle worker... although some of my good friends started out as some of my worst enemies, we all have something in common here: a love for cars, be them fords, chevys, pontiac, imports, whatever. People I consider friends now I started out disliking, but you just have to get to know people, keep an open mind. Help a guy install an intake manifold, or a set of longtubes and you can learn a lot about them.

:lol:

No one is ragging on Zeedub for being "knowledge-challenged". Its him yapping about his near-stock LT1 being...and I quote... "this car is FUH-KING FAST!!!! nuff said..." Wow. :rolleyes:

So he's enthusiastic about his car, no need to hang him for it. Even stock LT-1 cars are faster than 90% of cars on the road. Not the fastest by any means, but it's still a high performance "sports car." He's just a rookie, and we all started that way. No one becomes an "expert" overnight.

rookie? i see what your saying, but im no rookie... i test drove another 95 Z28, with no mods but intake, exhaust, and Zr-1 wheels.... and that car was sluggish in my opinion... this one? actually threw me back in my seat, which is why i got it... ive driven lots of camaros, my style, and the LS1 style, and LS1s are quick, but this will give an 02 SS a run for its money... and its an LT1 with 275 BHP.... like i said, i know i still have a lot to work on, but with the mods i carry on this car, and the experience i have driving others, i can honestly say its a hell of a lot faster than most other Z28s of the 4th generation....stock/mildly modded ones anyways... im just saying guys, this car has its benifits... im not saying its fast because i own it.... i own it because i thought it was fast before i bought it.... and while i know in order to be REALLY fast... as in low 13s - high 12s... im gonna need a nice set of hi performance mods... such as cam, injectors, full exhaust, a stall converter, and maybe even a set of AFR heads... plus proper tuning, i think i could run in the mid - high 12s even at best... and thats all im shooting for, i dont care about 10 second ETs, or lifting my nose off the ground... i just want a streetable car that will turn heads and jam on just about anything i come in contact with on the street.... and if not? with a new motor, built for low compression, i could probably even slap on a nice 200HP nitrous shot rigged on a time release... like Zex or something.... for the race you just CANT afford to lose :D (and yes, i know it doesnt guarentee races, but at the same time, if a guy is a car length or 2 in front of you, im sure a nice 200 shot would put you in the lead....) and thats when i would park the car, and make it track use only... but by then i will have 2 or 3 cars, so i could afford to do that. Right now? i need to focus on getting it in 100% condition, then i will work on performance... then i will take it to a track...

I have no problem with someone with limited automotive knowledge, but to brag about yourself and your "expert" knowledge and tell everyone that you know more than them (while saying some ridiculous things I might add) is setting yourself up to be called out, plain and simple. I still find it humerous that Bob's identity was questioned in another thread and at some of the other banter that has been used. If you do not know something, admit it. There is no shame in that.

When did i say i knew more than anyone else? Or that i knew more than any 1 person in this forum? or that my knowledge was even close to expert?!?!?!?!?

actually, i never said any of those things.... thanks for making up lies to prove a dull and un founded point :)

all i said was, im not as dumb as all you guys try to play me out to be... I NEVER EVEN SAID I WON THE RACE! I SAID I HUNG WITH HIM, THATS IT!!! I dont care WHY i did, or HOW i did, or how bad of a driver he is, or anything about that race other than for WHATEVER REASON... i wasnt too far behind him.... i think im gonna take my car to the track and make a run just so i can shut some of you fuccers up.... and if i run a 14.5? so be it... i never claimed to be in the 12s.... on the track is a whole other story than on the street... yeah, hes gonna get more grip on the track to "show me whose boss"...but....so am i.... so we both have the same advantages, but our times will change.... like i said, the GT i raced with all his mods was (according to him) runnin a 14.2... and i was gaining on him before we hit the turn, then we had to stop.... so im guessing i would run a 14.1 or maybe even a 14.2... or maybe a 13.9? who knows... i will soon :p now.... can someone close this thread? as it has obviously been once again tarnished and crapped on by trolls..... little varmint runnin around the board sh*ttin on other peoples posts to try and gain more credibility for themselves...... *Gag* just a bunch of happy-go-lucky, positive thinkers in here.... aint ya? (no offense to those who dont fit that discription)

rookie? i see what your saying, but im no rookie... i test drove another 95 Z28, with no mods but intake, exhaust, and Zr-1 wheels.... and that car was sluggish in my opinion... this one? actually threw me back in my seat, which is why i got it... ive driven lots of camaros, my style, and the LS1 style, and LS1s are quick, but this will give an 02 SS a run for its money... and its an LT1 with 275 BHP.... like i said, i know i still have a lot to work on, but with the mods i carry on this car, and the experience i have driving others, i can honestly say its a hell of a lot faster than most other Z28s of the 4th generation....stock/mildly modded ones anyways... im just saying guys, this car has its benifits... im not saying its fast because i own it.... i own it because i thought it was fast before i bought it.... and while i know in order to be REALLY fast... as in low 13s - high 12s... im gonna need a nice set of hi performance mods... such as cam, injectors, full exhaust, a stall converter, and maybe even a set of AFR heads... plus proper tuning, i think i could run in the mid - high 12s even at best... and thats all im shooting for, i dont care about 10 second ETs, or lifting my nose off the ground... i just want a streetable car that will turn heads and jam on just about anything i come in contact with on the street.... and if not? with a new motor, built for low compression, i could probably even slap on a nice 200HP nitrous shot rigged on a time release... like Zex or something.... for the race you just CANT afford to lose :D (and yes, i know it doesnt guarentee races, but at the same time, if a guy is a car length or 2 in front of you, im sure a nice 200 shot would put you in the lead....) and thats when i would park the car, and make it track use only... but by then i will have 2 or 3 cars, so i could afford to do that. Right now? i need to focus on getting it in 100% condition, then i will work on performance... then i will take it to a track...

When did i say i knew more than anyone else? Or that i knew more than any 1 person in this forum? or that my knowledge was even close to expert?!?!?!?!?

actually, i never said any of those things.... thanks for making up lies to prove a dull and un founded point :)

all i said was, im not as dumb as all you guys try to play me out to be... I NEVER EVEN SAID I WON THE RACE! I SAID I HUNG WITH HIM, THATS IT!!! I dont care WHY i did, or HOW i did, or how bad of a driver he is, or anything about that race other than for WHATEVER REASON... i wasnt too far behind him.... i think im gonna take my car to the track and make a run just so i can shut some of you fuccers up.... and if i run a 14.5? so be it... i never claimed to be in the 12s.... on the track is a whole other story than on the street... yeah, hes gonna get more grip on the track to "show me whose boss"...but....so am i.... so we both have the same advantages, but our times will change.... like i said, the GT i raced with all his mods was (according to him) runnin a 14.2... and i was gaining on him before we hit the turn, then we had to stop.... so im guessing i would run a 14.1 or maybe even a 14.2... or maybe a 13.9? who knows... i will soon :p now.... can someone close this thread? as it has obviously been once again tarnished and crapped on by trolls..... little varmint runnin around the board sh*ttin on other peoples posts to try and gain more credibility for themselves...... *Gag* just a bunch of happy-go-lucky, positive thinkers in here.... aint ya? (no offense to those who dont fit that discription)

Alright, there's goofy's free pass - even though there's enough fodder in that.....mess.....he typed to keep me entertained for at least 15 minutes.

Next one is free game though. :D

This post was loaded with threats so it has been deleted.

ZeeDub, if you can't learn to rib the other guy respectfully then I'll just start deleting all your replies.

-Mindgame

So he's enthusiastic about his car, no need to hang him for it. Even stock LT-1 cars are faster than 90% of cars on the road. Not the fastest by any means, but it's still a high performance "sports car." He's just a rookie, and we all started that way. No one becomes an "expert" overnight.

Birchman....that's pretty good advice, and is easily forgotten in the heat of selfish fun. We certainly were all rookies or novices or whatever at one time. In many (most?) ways, all of us still are. I admit to getting rather carried away sometimes in the "heat of the fun". :)

I shall endeavor to be more factual and less sarcastic. :cool:

Bob Cosby you're just a PITA. You should add another o in your first name.

Oh bummer - I've got another detractor. Sucks to be me I guess. :cool:

ive driven lots of camaros, my style, and the LS1 style, and LS1s are quick, but this will give an 02 SS a run for its money... and its an LT1 with 275 BHP.... like i said, i know i still have a lot to work on, but with the mods i carry on this car, and the experience i have driving others, i can honestly say its a hell of a lot faster than most other Z28s of the 4th generation....stock/mildly modded ones anyways...

Okay, here is where you lost me. You say that your car will give an 02 SS a run for its money, but then you go on to say:

and while i know in order to be REALLY fast... as in low 13s - high 12s... im gonna need a nice set of hi performance mods... such as cam, injectors, full exhaust, a stall converter, and maybe even a set of AFR heads... plus proper tuning, i think i could run in the mid - high 12s even at best...

So, after all of those mods, your car that, in present condition, will "give an 02 SS a run for its money," is finally going to be running similar times (low 13's) as a stock 02 SS? :confused:

Maybe he meant to say a "poorly driven" SS.
S.

Yeah Bob Cosby you know a lot about cars and have a 11 sec time slip but there is a right way and a wrong way to dealing with people. You're in the military and I was in the military and I know very well about people like you. I can tell by the way you deal with people on this board. You are an officer? Not sure how navy's rank structure goes but I know you wave been in forever and a day and probably have many troops under you. Do you also treat them like dumba$$es too? Pretty sure you do. Respect is earned not demanded. Yeah you have your little following here with people ever so impressed with a 11 sec slip. But I tell you if you treat people in your unit the same way you treat people here you have many troops taking garbage behind your back. You can be a good mentor for people wanting to learn about cars because you know your sh!t but you should know you can get more bees with honey than a flyswatter. You already know this though which makes me think that you go out of your way to stir stuff up.

When did i say i knew more than anyone else? Or that i knew more than any 1 person in this forum? or that my knowledge was even close to expert?!?!?!?!?

:think:


your probably right, but whether you want to believe me or not (and i couldnt blame you if you didnt, after all you dont know me) i have driving skill above all others.... i can take the same exact car as someone else and run .2 seconds less in the 1/4 (in most cases) just because i have that skill...

Yeah Bob Cosby you know a lot about cars and have a 11 sec time slip but there is a right way and a wrong way to dealing with people. You're in the military and I was in the military and I know very well about people like you. I can tell by the way you deal with people on this board. You are an officer? Not sure how navy's rank structure goes but I know you wave been in forever and a day and probably have many troops under you. Do you also treat them like dumba$$es too? Pretty sure you do. Respect is earned not demanded. Yeah you have your little following here with people ever so impressed with a 11 sec slip. But I tell you if you treat people in your unit the same way you treat people here you have many troops taking garbage behind your back. You can be a good mentor for people wanting to learn about cars because you know your sh!t but you should know you can get more bees with honey than a flyswatter. You already know this though which makes me think that you go out of your way to stir stuff up.
LOL. Everything you said above is true - as far as you know. Perhaps we'll meet up some time and I'll give you the scoop from my perspective? Too bad this little discussion didn't happen a couple of months ago. There was an NMRA race in Joliet back in late July. We could have hooked up and had a cold one. :)

FWIW...an 11 second timeslip doesn't mean much of anything. There are plenty of cars way, way, way faster than mine (and slower ones too). There are pleny of people that have way,way more knowledge and experience than I do (and less too). You might be surprised on my view of things, but I just don't feel the need to type it here. And finally, I cannot control what other people say - be it good or bad.

You have a wonderful day. :)
Bob

so im guessing i would run a 14.1 or maybe even a 14.2... or maybe a 13.9? who knows... i will soon :p now....

That's great. It's hard to argue against real track times. You keep trying to base what your car can do with street races where nobody is using a timer, and mostly what you've been told is you just can't do that with ANY sort of reliability. At least get a GTech, if you're not going to get real 1/4 mile times.

Saying that you *think* you can run xx.xx because they guy you ran with says he does xx.xx is a kissing cousin to "I'm sure I have Y horsepower because my car came with X horsepower and I added parts A, B & C."

Ricer-ish... get the numbers or shut up about what you *think* you can do, whether you're talking about 1/4 mile times or horsepower.

When did i say i knew more than anyone else? Or that i knew more than any 1 person in this forum? or that my knowledge was even close to expert?!?!?!?!?

actually, i never said any of those things.... thanks for making up lies to prove a dull and un founded point :)

Shall we examine some of your recent postings? Lets see, you are a better driver than anyone else as witnessed here:

your probably right, but whether you want to believe me or not (and i couldnt blame you if you didnt, after all you dont know me) i have driving skill above all others.... i can take the same exact car as someone else and run .2 seconds less in the 1/4 (in most cases) just because i have that skill...

....and that you have no idea who a real racer is:

more info from bill cosby....... how bout this dude...... i dont care who you are, how little or how much you know.... fuc-k off... your opinions/knowledge means precisely jack sh*t to me, and if anyone else is kissing your ass for info, i feel sorry for the poor dickless bastard....

and that according to you people only read to learn what they know about cars....looks like you stating that you had more knowledge than most because you work on your own cars:


as always jeff....... you know that... fact is? you should also know that this bull**** only pisses me off.... hearing a bunch of pricks talk like they know their ****, and all they know is what they can read from a book, or have learned from hearing about fixing a car.... like the guy that pays 8 grand to get his motor rebuilt.... knows every single spec of whats in it, what it does, and how it relates to the rest of the motor.... but knows nothing of how it REALLY works, or what it REALLY takes to install those parts..... someone whose only hope is a mechanic chargin $60+ an hour... i have actually put whole cars together man... thats the difference.... that nova was totally torn down and rebuilt... i replaced EVERYTHING in it.... how many people here actually do all their own work on their cars?

.....and that when backed into a corner you come out with something ridiculous like this:

my point exactly.... spoken like a true **** sucker.... anyone here see this as amusing? that another human being can kiss so much ass and still have an ounce of pride left? i dont do that.... when this bob cosby guy can PROVE to me that hes got the knowledge that backs up his mouth... then ill respect him... sorry man, but a pic you can dig up off the internet just isnt proof enough.... i could change my name to dale earnhardt jr. and send you a pic of him in the winners circle and try to play it off like its me.... dont show me pics man.... try and be a little more creative... cuz frankly? i dont believe you....... why would a guy renowned for his mustang accomplishments be lurking around a camaro board? just doesnt make sense to me.....

I have a picture of myself standing with Bob and his car at Martin I could post to satisfy your curiosity that this is indeed the man in the picture. Oh but wait, I might not really be me.....


all i said was, im not as dumb as all you guys try to play me out to be

The for God sakes stop acting like it then!!! Even your own "friends" have turned on you in the past few weeks, and though it is entertaining to see Bob rip you a new one over and over again, you don't know when to stop.


... I NEVER EVEN SAID I WON THE RACE! I SAID I HUNG WITH HIM, THATS IT!!! I dont care WHY i did, or HOW i did, or how bad of a driver he is, or anything about that race other than for WHATEVER REASON... i wasnt too far behind him

Does that mean if I stay behind a new Cobra on the on ramp because he was 1/4 throttle and me at full throttle on my daily driven Sunfire that I can proclaim that I am close to the same times as the Cobra? I mean, WHATEVER REASON that I was so close really didn't matter.....

.... i think im gonna take my car to the track and make a run just so i can shut some of you fuccers up.... and if i run a 14.5? so be it...

And it will prove exactly what has been said about your car in the first place. The fact that you are running your internet mouth about how fast your car is without a slip again goes against the statement you have made about how smart you are. Are you seeing a pattern yet?


i never claimed to be in the 12s.... on the track is a whole other story than on the street... yeah, hes gonna get more grip on the track to "show me whose boss"...but....so am i.... so we both have the same advantages, but our times will change

Wait a second here, the track is another story but you both will have the same advantages? According to you, neither of you spun on the street as you went from a "slow roll", so how is anything going to change, especially if traction is not an issue? And how are "times going to change" if you have never raced at the track?


.... like i said, the GT i raced with all his mods was (according to him) runnin a 14.2... and i was gaining on him before we hit the turn, then we had to stop.... so im guessing i would run a 14.1 or maybe even a 14.2... or maybe a 13.9? who knows... i will soon :p now

Only way to know is to actually visit a track.


.... can someone close this thread?

You have that very ability, or to at least the ability to delete this thread, with your edit functions.


as it has obviously been once again tarnished and crapped on by trolls.....

We can't help it if you crapped on your own thread with more childish idiotic babbling.

little varmint runnin around the board sh*ttin on other peoples posts to try and gain more credibility for themselves......

LOL... Besides the fact that I have been on this board nearly 6 years, I am old enough not to care a damn bit what anyone on a board thinks of me. I have enough "credibility" in the real world without worrying about a kid who looks dumber and dumber everytime he posts. Your best bet is to re-register as someone else and then get a personality transplant. Your current one is lacking in to many critical areas, and is not able to play anywhere else than under the bridge.



*Gag* just a bunch of happy-go-lucky, positive thinkers in here.... aint ya? (no offense to those who dont fit that discription)

Just tip-toeing through the troll sh!t, another typical day in the kills forum:)

:think:

thats funny..... you quoted a post of mine stating i had driving skill... to counter act a post where i said "i never said i was an expert in automotive knowledge".... how does that work? *grunt* anyways...

to mindgame, all i said was if he told me half the crap he does online.. to my face... i would smack the hell out of him... nothing more... i never said i was going to hunt him down, or that even if i saw him that i would do that... i just said that i know he wouldnt talk the same trash as he does on the net.... when the man is standing right in front of him...

to mightyZ28.... where you get that a stock SS of any year is running low 13s? you know GoFast908Z.... he has a 98 Z bangin WAY more HP than a stock SS... and i believe he told me his best was a 13.5..... id give a bone stock SS a 13.9 at best..... and i never said i would beat it, i said i would give it a run for its money... i gave that cobra a run for its money, and according to you all its a 12 second drag monster.... so what now? oh yeah... time to shut up :eek: :rolleyes:

and to scott9050... your credibility just went to crap... you guys must be in the same preschool together huh? god damn i hate ass kissin...

to bob? damn dude... your reputation has you workin hard to live up to it eh? while i dont believe an 11 second time slip is anything worth saying you are the greatest that hit the streets... (9 seconds would have you high in my list of reputable people) but ill give you the benifit of a doubt, that with all the backup you have recieved maybe i should take a listen at what you have to say.... when what you have to say consists of more than a bullcrap verbal bash session over an internet messageboard.... you state you know so much more than me, yet no facts ever come out of your mouth.... you never tell me WHY a mustang cobra should have raped me... only that you are 100% positive it would.... and you never say why you think im a crappy driver (even though A: im not, and B: you wouldnt know anyways) you just talk crap..... when am i going to hear some real technical info? bedazzle me with your expertise... give me ideas as to what you think i should do to take care of the problem i have of a track slug (i know my car is slow on the track, but on the street i have to say there arent a whole lot of matches to be lost...) remember that half the fun of racing is helping your fellow racers build up their cars so they can give you a bit of competition.... without competition cars would be the way they were in the early 1900s.... gravity flow gas tanks with 1 BBL carbs and stagecoach wheels...... now what do we have? multi port fuel injection with massive pressurized fuel delivery systems and V8s with electronic distributorless ignition and solonoid shifted transmissions...... all in the pursuit of being a competitor in the autmotove industry... progress is what keeps things going.... and im just tryin to progress my self into the 12 second margin.... got advice?

you never tell me WHY a mustang cobra should have raped me... only that you are 100% positive it would....


I wanna play!
A 03+ Cobra would 'rape' you because it dyno's over 100 more hp than your car would do on a 'great day'. Anywho....... :eek:

seriously... some of you guys are true racers with an adult attitude, others are arrogant little children still acting like they have something to prove.... what the hell is wrong with you guys? Doesnt it make sense to anyone here but me to try and bring up those who have fallen or have not yet gotten themselves up to par with everyone else? As far as i know, this board is dedicated to making sure camaros stay one of, if not THE best performance autos in the country.... why are you all trying to bring down everyone elses rides but your own? you telling me you bought a POS when you first got your camaros? I am proud of how my car runs right now... and im proud it has a chevy emblem emblazened all over it.... while i know its not heavily modded, it still plants my ass in the seat.... and thats enough for me to be proud of!

id give a bone stock SS a 13.9 at best.....

What rock have you been living under? Evan Smith got a bone stock LS1 Fbody into the 12s.

If you've been beating or coming close to LS1 Fbods, that's one thing, but to say that you give an SS a 13.9 at best is just plain stupid. But given that it's you that said it, it's doesn't surprise me at all.

It seems that we have only seen the tip of the iceburg from which your ignorant statements come forth.

You want to talk Chevy brethren yet you think an SS can only do a 13.9 at best? W....T.... F.....?????

Might just take you up on that shoot me an email next time you're up here. I'm just a jump and a skip away from 66. You seem like a pretty smart dude but I got to tell you everytime I see a lengthy thread I can always count on either you or Steve Y to chime in and start the flame throwing. Just see that unnecessary. If someone doesn't like your input why just not let it alone instead of resorting to nonsense. You're smarter than that. Unless you just enjoy watching people fighting aimlessly.
Either way thanks for your service to the country.

LOL. Everything you said above is true - as far as you know. Perhaps we'll meet up some time and I'll give you the scoop from my perspective? Too bad this little discussion didn't happen a couple of months ago. There was an NMRA race in Joliet back in late July. We could have hooked up and had a cold one. :)

FWIW...an 11 second timeslip doesn't mean much of anything. There are plenty of cars way, way, way faster than mine (and slower ones too). There are pleny of people that have way,way more knowledge and experience than I do (and less too). You might be surprised on my view of things, but I just don't feel the need to type it here. And finally, I cannot control what other people say - be it good or bad.

You have a wonderful day. :)
Bob

ok.... let me ask you something... if a bone stock LS1 can make it into the 12s... and my car is the same car as that, minus about 30 HP.... WHY THE !@#$@#$ HELL DO YOU GIVE ME SUCH BULLCRAP ABOUT MY CAR RUNNING HIGH 14S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im sorry, you are a fuccin hypocrite if i have ever saw one.......

as for me claiming a 13.9? like i said, jeff is running 13.5 according to what he told me, and hes runnin upwards of 360HP... how is a bone stock LS1 going to beat his time? unless its a professional driver with a 6 speed?

BUAHAHAHAHAH! thats funny... STOCK yes.... modded? no... its all about preference when it comes to modding a car... as i have made clear in the past, i like steel blocks.. and i dont give a DAMN if aluminum is better, im old fashioned in that sense... but the fact is, if you build the 2 motors the same way, with the same parts, and same tuning, chances are? i would have to say an LT1 would probably smoke out an LS1... unless distributorless ignition makes THAT much of a difference.... it all boils down to this.......... my car... your car... race.. and see who wins... other than that? doesnt really matter whose car was better when they first came out... its all about whose car is better at the current time... and ill tell you right now, a stock and even mildly modded Z28 LS1 is no competition for me, i have taken those on several occasions..... and the whole bit about "a good driver" is super played out... yes drivers matter, but the race is won by 1 person.... not some other guy in another state somewhere that could probably have driven it better......

and as for altitude? my estimates are for my local track, and those who i race daily on the street, vs their track times here..... for that matter? i could probably run a 13.3 on a good day at a certain altitude, but once again... a race is a race... when its won there is no judgement based on whether or not someone SHOULD have or COULD have won... its about whether they did or didnt.... inch or a mile... winning is winning ;)

Unless you just enjoy watching people fighting aimlessly.
:D

My word, there is so much fodder and BS in his latest posts, that it damn near takes an act of Congress to keep from having some fun. However, in the the spirit of Detente', I'll try to stay factual, with no sarcasm. And I'll only quote that which I see to be factually incorrect (vice just silly jibberish).

Wish me luck! :D

to mindgame, all i said was if he told me half the crap he does online.. to my face... i would smack the hell out of him... nothing more... i never said i was going to hunt him down, or that even if i saw him that i would do that... i just said that i know he wouldnt talk the same trash as he does on the net.... when the man is standing right in front of him...
This is incorrect. I would say the same thing. And threats from you are meaningless to me.

to bob? damn dude... your reputation has you workin hard to live up to it eh?
This is incorrect. I do not come here to build or uphold any reputation.

while i dont believe an 11 second time slip is anything worth saying you are the greatest that hit the streets... (9 seconds would have you high in my list of reputable people)
Going fast is easy. Going fast with all the wrong parts is not so easy. It is not necessarily how fast you go that makes something special. Rather, it is sometimes how you do it.

you state you know so much more than me, yet no facts ever come out of your mouth....
This is incorrect. I never stated how much more I know than you. Facts have come out of my mouth (keyboard). I can quote them if you like.

you never tell me WHY a mustang cobra should have raped me...
Because it has a superior power to weight ratio and there is not enough gearing difference or difference in traction potential to matter.

even though A: im not, and B: you wouldnt know anyways
The basic assumptions leading to this conclusion are inaccurate. Drag racing a mostly-stock LT1 F-body equipped with an A4 transmission requires virtually no skill, hence the term "push-n-go" or "stab-n-steer".

when am i going to hear some real technical info?
What would you like to know? If I know it, I'll tell you. If I don't, I won't.

give me ideas as to what you think i should do to take care of the problem i have of a track slug
Technically impossible, as your car has never been to the track, and thus we have no basis to work from.

got advice?
Yes.

you telling me you bought a POS when you first got your camaros?
Yes - though it was a Firebird vice a Camaro, and I didn't know at the time it was basically a POS (http://members.cox.net/rdcosby1/images/formula.jpg).

f a bone stock LS1 can make it into the 12s... and my car is the same car as that, minus about 30 HP.... WHY THE !@#$@#$ HELL DO YOU GIVE ME SUCH BULLCRAP ABOUT MY CAR RUNNING HIGH 14S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You cannot make these kinds of assumptions. Among other things, your car is likely down 50-60 RWHP over an LS1, there is more to it than just peak HP, and it requires an extremely well driven M6 to get one into the 12's in stock form.

as i have made clear in the past, i like steel blocks..
Assuming you mean iron vice steel, there is no benefit to an iron block at HP levels that the vast majority of fast street cars will ever see. Aluminum is plenty strong and lighter. Additionally, if iron is required, LSx engines can be had in iron vice aluminum.

if you build the 2 motors the same way, with the same parts, and same tuning, chances are? i would have to say an LT1 would probably smoke out an LS1...
That is an incorrect statement based upon poor assumptions. Among other things, the LS1 is lighter and has superior head design.

and ill tell you right now, a stock and even mildly modded Z28 LS1 is no competition for me, i have taken those on several occasions.....
Given the mods in your signature, it is my opinion that you are very much incorrect. Your car likely makes 260 RWHP - less than even a 1998 A4 LS1, without the benefit of the extra rpm.

i could probably run a 13.3 on a good day at a certain altitude
In my opinion, based on my experience and your mods, you would have to be in Death Valley with a temperature of approximately -20F in order to make enough power to run 13.3.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

You know, I don't know. I've been there, and I remember that the Dead Sea is quite a bit below sea level, but I don't know how much. However, Death Valley is closer, and its not underwater. ;)

Cool! ;)


This is incorrect. I would say the same thing. And threats from you are meaningless to me.

it was not a threat... im just letting you know that upon recieving your "courteous" remarks in person, i am not the type of person to hesitate in engaging in a physical scuffle... thats all :D

This is incorrect. I do not come here to build or uphold any reputation.

maybe not... but at the same time you defend yourself and hold yourself on a higher sense of respect than me... thats not cool man..


Going fast is easy. Going fast with all the wrong parts is not so easy. It is not necessarily how fast you go that makes something special. Rather, it is sometimes how you do it.

not quite sure what you mean by that... but ok... maybe you could explain some more? i mean of course you should do the car right, and use nothing but the best parts, and match them to the car for best results... but who doesnt try to do that? its about economy, and having the money to do what you want... some people.. like me.. have a bit of a harder time doing that, and are happy with what we have worked hard to get... just my $0.02...


This is incorrect. I never stated how much more I know than you. Facts have come out of my mouth (keyboard). I can quote them if you like.

sure...


Because it has a superior power to weight ratio and there is not enough gearing difference or difference in traction potential to matter.

true.... but as we all know, sometimes it takes a damn good driver to hold all that power... and my statements simply said i was happy i managed to hang with one... for whatever reason...


The basic assumptions leading to this conclusion are inaccurate. Drag racing a mostly-stock LT1 F-body equipped with an A4 transmission requires virtually no skill, hence the term "push-n-go" or "stab-n-steer".

I had a 92 305 Camaro RS with a 5 speed..... and with nothing but intake, no cat, and flowmasters, i was able to hang with an LT1... automatic of course, but you get the picture... i didnt lose too many races in that car, assuming it was a decent matchup... i know how to drive a stick, and i do know that it can be a bit of a challenge to operate an auto with perfection... takes a lot of foot work to get the proper launch... i LOVE manuals... i wanna do a conversion to this car... which is why i dont want to take it to a track... in my opinion? an auto is a waste among racing... its nice... and fun... but has no real place at the track unless its built completely bulletproof and matched precisely for what the car needs, and then some.... and i would rather just say screw all that, and put in a nice bulletproof manual with a dual plate or triple plate clutch.... the possibilities are endless...




Technically impossible, as your car has never been to the track, and thus we have no basis to work from.

your absolutely right...

Yes - though it was a Firebird vice a Camaro, and I didn't know at the time it was basically a POS (http://members.cox.net/rdcosby1/images/formula.jpg).

huh? that car may have been a POS, i wasnt speaking to you though, i was speaking to the camaro enthusiasts, who so blatently bash the camaro for having pretty much jack sh*t for power.... yet they bought one... go figure...


You cannot make these kinds of assumptions. Among other things, your car is likely down 50-60 RWHP over an LS1, there is more to it than just peak HP, and it requires an extremely well driven M6 to get one into the 12's in stock form.

you just proved my point.... i KNOW it would take a godsent driver to get that car in the 12s.. so its relevancy is squashed... thank you :)

Assuming you mean iron vice steel, there is no benefit to an iron block at HP levels that the vast majority of fast street cars will ever see. Aluminum is plenty strong and lighter. Additionally, if iron is required, LSx engines can be had in iron vice aluminum.

wonderful... but back to the subject of MY car.. im happy with it... and i like how its built...


Given the mods in your signature, it is my opinion that you are very much incorrect. Your car likely makes 260 RWHP - less than even a 1998 A4 LS1, without the benefit of the extra rpm.

probably... but we were speaking in terms of HP at the crank.... i would say (educated estimate) i am probably running about 290 at the crank... maybe 300 max...


In my opinion, based on my experience and your mods, you would have to be in Death Valley with a temperature of approximately -20F in order to make enough power to run 13.3.

yep.... and it would be the same conditions for a bone stock SS to make it down the track in the mid-high 12s as well....

Thank you, and have a nice day

thank you.... you too...

ok.... let me ask you something... if a bone stock LS1 can make it into the 12s... and my car is the same car as that, minus about 30 HP.... WHY THE !@#$@#$ HELL DO YOU GIVE ME SUCH BULLCRAP ABOUT MY CAR RUNNING HIGH 14S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF you only have 30 horses less than a bone stock LS1. The problem with that reasoning is that LT1's were pretty much spot on. LS1's in Fbodies were UNDERrated by Chevy. Go ask in the LS1 Tech section if anyone thinks your minor bolt on LT1 can hang or beat an LS1 SS that's driven properly. Be prepared to be laughed at.

The fact is that I have never given you any crap about running "HIGH 14S!!!!!!!!!!" -- however, I still say you're full of it if you think that lightly modded LT1 can hand with a PROPERLY driven LS1 or Cobra. Either car will have you by 5 car lengths.

IF you only have 30 horses less than a bone stock LS1. The problem with that reasoning is that LT1's were pretty much spot on. LS1's in Fbodies were UNDERrated by Chevy. Go ask in the LS1 Tech section if anyone thinks your minor bolt on LT1 can hang or beat an LS1 SS that's driven properly. Be prepared to be laughed at.

here we go with this driver bull crap..... DUDE!!! IS DALE EARNHARDT BEHIND THE WHEEL OF EVERY LS1 IN THE WORLD?!?!??!!? NO!!!! Thus my POINT... that it takes a combination of things to make a race happen... doesnt matter if you suck at driving... i raced YOU.. not just the car... and if i won? something was full of crap... you, or the car... but i tore the crap out of something! and thats what racing is about...

Understood, but the whole point that many people tried to make was that if you were up against a properly driven Cobra, it would have been an UGLY loss for you. That's all that was initially said, yet you got your panties in a wad and proclaimed that there's no way a Cobra could do that to you and your car.

The fact still remains that your lightly modded LT1 would fare an ugly loss to a properly driven LS1, much less a Cobra. Did you hang with that specific Cobra? Yes. Congratulations. Just don't think it's typical.

Your lightly modded, high milage LT1 is more like 50-70 horses shy of an LS1.
Again, don't believe me? Go ask in the Tech section. There are lots of people (like me) who had an LT1 and now have an LS1. Take me up on it -- go ask in the Tech section... tell them you're thinking about getting a low milage LS1 Fbody and want to know the Hp difference, lightly modded LT1 and stock LS1.

and to scott9050... your credibility just went to crap... you guys must be in the same preschool together huh? god damn i hate ass kissin...


Since that is in your eyes, I will take that as a compliment :)

finally, some real conversation from nuke... glad to hear some real info, ill take you up on that offer... finding out the difference between an LS1 and my LT1... but i am serious when i say i am serious competition for an LS1.... i dont even KNOW all of whats in my car guys... i know it was WAY hotter than any other LT1 i drove, which is why i bought it... i dont know why entirely, i just listed what i know for a fact is a part of my car.... there could be a load of other things as well... i just know its much faster than any other LT1 ive driven... and thats something to say in itself.. is it not?

fwiw, one of my old bosses had a '97 a4 lt1 with more/better mods than you, including 3.73 gears. i raped him from a dig and a roll (this was before the ls6 cam).

mmkay... and this means what to me? your (claiming) running 13 flat damn near.... which is damn good for any Fbody... although, i dont see much of a long list of crap on your car... GoFast908Z has way more than that... and as i said, hes pullin mid 13s.... so either your in one hell of a climate.... or your barkin up your own tree....in other words... full of sh*t! but i dont think so... i think now that i have pondered the idea of climate control, driver ability, and traction problems (the local track is Infineon raceway... and they recently did a re paving of the drag strip, so everyone has been losing time from wheelspin) i would probably assume GoFast could probably catch a time better than yours if he had a stall converter, shiftkit, and managed to hook up perfectly.... so yeah, good ****.... but you also have 3.72 gears... so how can you use his car as a comparison? its the same car, with the same basic mods... with less base HP, and the same gearing... OF COURSE YOUR GONNA WIN!

it was not a threat... im just letting you know that upon recieving your "courteous" remarks in person, i am not the type of person to hesitate in engaging in a physical scuffle... thats all
Ok. Sounds like a Jr High School threat to me. Too bad I only get to the San Diego area on my trips out west.

maybe not... but at the same time you defend yourself and hold yourself on a higher sense of respect than me... thats not cool man..
This statement makes no sense.

not quite sure what you mean by that... but ok... maybe you could explain some more? i mean of course you should do the car right, and use nothing but the best parts, and match them to the car for best results... but who doesnt try to do that? its about economy, and having the money to do what you want... some people.. like me.. have a bit of a harder time doing that, and are happy with what we have worked hard to get... just my $0.02...
My point was that I try to run fast with mostly stock ("wrong") parts. Not just talk of being fast on the street, but at verifiable numbers from the track.

I had a 92 305 Camaro RS with a 5 speed..... and with nothing but intake, no cat, and flowmasters, i was able to hang with an LT1... automatic of course, but you get the picture...
Yes I do. The "picture" in this case is that you are typing falsehoods (how's that for tact?). In 1992, a 305 RS Camaro was equipped with a 170 HP LO3 V8. There is no way on God's green earth that this car, with those minor bolt-ons, could have come anywhere near a stock LT1 that was actually trying to race.

Yes, I got the picture.

i know how to drive a stick, and i do know that it can be a bit of a challenge to operate an auto with perfection
This is an inaccurate statement. As previously stated, a mostly stock LT1 A4 takes virtually no skill to launch effectively.

an auto is a waste among racing... its nice... and fun... but has no real place at the track unless its built completely bulletproof and matched precisely for what the car needs
The vast majority of "race cars" use automatic transmissions. Calling them a "waste" shows a basic lack of knowledge of the subject.

probably... but we were speaking in terms of HP at the crank.... i would say (educated estimate) i am probably running about 290 at the crank... maybe 300 max...

Likely correct. However, it is what gets to the ground that counts. A stock LS1 is capable of 300+ RWHP, or ~350 at the crank.

yep.... and it would be the same conditions for a bone stock SS to make it down the track in the mid-high 12s as well....
Incorrect statement. Evidence (http://members.cox.net/rdcosby1/images/ss.jpg). Note statement in that article about the weather conditions.

but i am serious when i say i am serious competition for an LS1
Unless your car is modded much more than you say, this is virtually impossible.

i just know its much faster than any other LT1 ive driven
It is impossible to say this with authority, as you do not have any actual data to back this up, other than your perceptions. A famous drag racer once said "the seat of the pants is the world's biggest liar". Words to race by.

think now that i have pondered the idea of climate control, driver ability, and traction problems
Please explain "climate control" and how it pertains to this conversation.

Wow ZeeDub, its obvious you don't know when to quit.

Of all the diatribe you have spit, I have to say the Comment:

an auto is a waste among racing... its nice... and fun... but has no real place at the track unless its built completely bulletproof and matched precisely for what the car needs

Is my favorite. Have You ever rode in a car with a big stall, or met someone serious about bracket racing? Or for that matter EVER Been "at the track"? I would think not, because you'd laugh at your post.

mmkay... and this means what to me? your (claiming) running 13 flat damn near.... which is damn good for any Fbody... although, i dont see much of a long list of crap on your car... GoFast908Z has way more than that... and as i said, hes pullin mid 13s.... so either your in one hell of a climate.... or your barkin up your own tree....in other words... full of sh*t! but i dont think so...

i dunno what to tell you about gofast's car. i got the timeslip here to back it all up, though. along with 8-9 others from the same day. my 13.09 run was against a hugger orange ls1 ss on spray. he ran a 12.3@118.6. i don't know his user name on this board, but it is tooclean on ls1.com. you can ask him if you'd like. that particular run was in heat that was well over 90 degrees with a good dose of southern humidity thrown in to boot.

as for what my previous post has to do with you- my boss had a strong running, lightly modded a4 lt1 and i wasted him with not many mods. the difference in rwhp was more like 50-60 hp, not 30.

so how can you use his car as a comparison? its the same car, with the same basic mods... with less base HP, and the same gearing... OF COURSE YOUR GONNA WIN!

i'm not saying that i shouldn't win. i'm saying that it wasn't close. well, it was close from a dig until i hit second. from i roll i walked him pretty good. the higher the speeds got, the harder i pulled.

edit- check this thread, zeedub: http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188659

ZeeDub sometimes a man has to cut his loses and get out of a situation. You're fighting an uphill battle here. Claims of cars performance can be settled at only one place and that's the track. Take your car there and fill us in when once you did. I'd be interested to see what it runs.

Birchman....that's pretty good advice, and is easily forgotten in the heat of selfish fun. We certainly were all rookies or novices or whatever at one time. In many (most?) ways, all of us still are. I admit to getting rather carried away sometimes in the "heat of the fun". :)


Well that's half the fun isn't it? lol

ZeeDub sometimes a man has to cut his loses and get out of a situation. You're fighting an uphill battle here. Claims of cars performance can be settled at only one place and that's the track. Take your car there and fill us in when once you did. I'd be interested to see what it runs.

or a dyno for braggin rights. I'm rather proud of my 316 rwhp and 326rwtq on a bone friggin' stock 98 z28. :D

here we go, bob cosby once again telling me that i didnt have what i know i had... or that im not capable of doing something i did plenty of times.... keep in mind, the idiot claiming something is in capable of being done, is only interrupted by the one who did it! you can state your claims all you want about me not having a chance in hell with an auto LT1.... but ive got witnesses to say that he only beat me be half a car length.... and no i dont care why... i dont care if you think his car had vaccuum leaks, or a blown head gasket, or a fuccin dead cylinder... or just a bad driver... i dont CARE what you say dude... i know what i did, and despite your ill educated claims of knowing what ive done in my lifetime, im proud of what ive accomplished... im not looking for a pat on the back from you man, im trying to shut you up by letting you know that i HAVE DONE everything you say i could NOT do..... how the fucc are you gonna tell me what is possible for me to have done? if i tell you i know its possible for a v6 camaro to hang with a v8 of the same year and both cars are stock... you would probably laugh and give me the same routine you just did... but i would accept it because i have not had the chance to prove it to myself to be a fallacy or otherwise.. but when you try to tell me that i have not done something i have witnesses watching me do.... that only pisses me off more.... i told you before im not going to respond to your bullsh|t anymore... and i fucced up....should have been true to that, but for some reason i thought you would grow a brain and realize that you cant tell a person that has been there and done that, that its not possible.... but.. i guess not... so you keep talkin to yourself and your little buddies about why im full of crap and i couldnt possibly have done what i did... and i will continue to hold the respect of my peers for having done what the great bob cosby claims is impossible to do.... i guess i have you to thank for that.... dont i? :D

here we go, bob cosby once again telling me that i didnt have what i know i had... or that im not capable of doing something i did plenty of times.... keep in mind, the idiot claiming something is in capable of being done, is only interrupted by the one who did it! you can state your claims all you want about me not having a chance in hell with an auto LT1.... but ive got witnesses to say that he only beat me be half a car length.... and no i dont care why... i dont care if you think his car had vaccuum leaks, or a blown head gasket, or a fuccin dead cylinder... or just a bad driver... i dont CARE what you say dude... i know what i did, and despite your ill educated claims of knowing what ive done in my lifetime, im proud of what ive accomplished... im not looking for a pat on the back from you man, im trying to shut you up by letting you know that i HAVE DONE everything you say i could NOT do..... how the fucc are you gonna tell me what is possible for me to have done? if i tell you i know its possible for a v6 camaro to hang with a v8 of the same year and both cars are stock... you would probably laugh and give me the same routine you just did... but i would accept it because i have not had the chance to prove it to myself to be a fallacy or otherwise.. but when you try to tell me that i have not done something i have witnesses watching me do.... that only pisses me off more.... i told you before im not going to respond to your bullsh|t anymore... and i fucced up....should have been true to that, but for some reason i thought you would grow a brain and realize that you cant tell a person that has been there and done that, that its not possible.... but.. i guess not... so you keep talkin to yourself and your little buddies about why im full of crap and i couldnt possibly have done what i did... and i will continue to hold the respect of my peers for having done what the great bob cosby claims is impossible to do.... i guess i have you to thank for that.... dont i? :D


So you would brag about beating a viper if it had a blown head gasket, busted tranny, and if it was running not on tires, but on rims?

"guys, i know my car is fast, i just beat a viper, and because i beat a viper, i think i might be able to hang with an enzo"

no one gives a **** if you can beat a busted up "insert supercar here".

here is my .02 to the conversation. you are a moron. the only reason this thread lives on is because we are getting a kick out of you making a fool of yourself. i could read stupid **** like this all day. its hilarious.

Wow zeedub, just imagine if you would have claimed to beat the cobra. I believe a brawl would break out, or somebody may have been killed. :cool:

So you would brag about beating a viper if it had a blown head gasket, busted tranny, and if it was running not on tires, but on rims?

:lol: Maybe that explains how how our very own driver extraordinaire was able to pull off the feat of:
I had a 92 305 Camaro RS with a 5 speed..... and with nothing but intake, no cat, and flowmasters, i was able to hang with an LT1... automatic of course, but you get the picture...

ROTFL!!! Yes, now I *do* get the picture. The LT1 had 2 flat tires :lol:

So you would brag about beating a viper if it had a blown head gasket, busted tranny, and if it was running not on tires, but on rims?

"guys, i know my car is fast, i just beat a viper, and because i beat a viper, i think i might be able to hang with an enzo"

no one gives a **** if you can beat a busted up "insert supercar here".

here is my .02 to the conversation. you are a moron. the only reason this thread lives on is because we are getting a kick out of you making a fool of yourself. i could read stupid **** like this all day. its hilarious.

:D :Owned:

Maybe the TBI 305 COULD hang with an LT1....

if the LT1 wasn't trying...

just like the Cobra in the original post...

notice a trend here? :lol:

ZeeDub, you have no idea what you are talking about. I know an 02 Z that hit 12.9 stock. LT1s stock run 14s for the most part, high 13s are there with proper driving ability! Your car has almost no mods other then an "intake" is it even a CAI? And it has a shift kit. You cannot beat an LS1 that is running correctly that is trying to race you. And that Cobra was probly dicking around laughing at you trying.

Bob Crosby - Keep schooling ZeeDub, it is hilarious.

its unbelievable...... what a bunch of goons... keep it up... the keyboard courage intimidates me....... :rolleyes:

and on another note... i never said my TBI 305 could beat or even stay neck and neck with an LT1.... the loss wasnt all that bad, is all i was saying..... most 3rd gens couldnt keep up with me, or didnt have the balls to..... i take my driving to the extreme..... and no i dont care what you think of its safety on the street, the way i see it? we all gotta die sometime... and if it was doing something i enjoyed then **** it... i wont have anything to regret now will i? but i dont usually endanger other people... as in driving on the wrong side of the freeway or somethin... but the fact is that LT1 wasnt modded, was an automatic, may have had some other issues with it, but nothing visable... and he was only about 2 - 3 car lengths ahead of me.... steadily pulling, but LS1s would take off and be 6 car lengths ahead before i hit 3rd gear.... (hot LS1s anyways...) im speaking in terms of driving skill... not HP... that guy couldnt drive his auto any better than i could drive my stick... and that says a lot about him.... i KNOW that car coulda took me downa hell of a lot worse than he did... and he DID take me down, but not like he was supposed to..... because i knew how to drive what i had, and he didnt... end of story...

have you ever considered professional bracket racing? Seeing how you take your driving skills to the extreme....

TONY

haha don't you think its funny about how you point out that the LT1 that you "kept up with" was an auto (as in slower than M6), but now you have an auto LT1 and it's F-ing fast?

i would like to.. but seeing as how i cant make it to the track every weekend or even once a month to run my car (lack of funds) how am i supposed to get into anything but street racing? stoplight to stoplight... most i pay is car parts and gas.... i just dont have the money for anything else.... :( but hey, one day :) then i can throw 10 grand under my hood and be pulling 10s :D then it will be worth my time at the track...

here we go, bob cosby once again telling me that i didnt have what i know i had... or that im not capable of doing something i did plenty of times....
Inaccurate statement. I said that you could not beat a stock LT1 F-body with a mostly-stock LO3 92 RS M5 (about the same weight, about the same gearing, about 100 HP difference). The only caveat to that is if

A) The LT1 wasn't racing
B) The LT1 driver totally screwed up
C) The LT1 had a very major mechanical problem.

I stand by my conclusion. You are welcome to stand by yours. Those that read this will come to their own conclusions.

keep in mind, the idiot claiming something is in capable of being done, is only interrupted by the one who did it!
Assuming that I am the idiot to which you refer, and that you are the one to claim to have done the above, then I stick by my claim that it is BS.

you can state your claims all you want about me not having a chance in hell with an auto LT1.... but ive got witnesses to say that he only beat me be half a car length....
Completely indefensible claim. Further, see above statements.

and no i dont care why... i dont care if you think his car had vaccuum leaks, or a blown head gasket, or a fuccin dead cylinder... or just a bad driver...
In addition to my A) and B) above, those are possibilities, though I suspect the LT1 would still beat you with "vaccuum leaks, or a blown head gasket, or a fuccin dead cylinder... or just a bad driver...".

i dont CARE what you say dude...
I believe that to be an inaccurate statement, as you continue to reply to my posts.

i know what i did, and despite your ill educated claims of knowing what ive done in my lifetime, im proud of what ive accomplished...
I'm sure you are.

im not looking for a pat on the back from you man
This is fortunate.

im trying to shut you up
You are doing a very poor job of it. Kindly refer to previously posted advice on a recommended course of action to obtain this goal.

by letting you know that i HAVE DONE everything you say i could NOT do.....
I am sure you believe this. I am sure I do not.

how the fucc are you gonna tell me what is possible for me to have done?
Basic physics dictates otherwise.

if i tell you i know its possible for a v6 camaro to hang with a v8 of the same year and both cars are stock... you would probably laugh and give me the same routine you just did...
Correct. This is no different than saying that your 170 HP 3500 lb car could not keep up with a 275 3500 lb car.

but i would accept it because i have not had the chance to prove it to myself to be a fallacy or otherwise..
Please see basic physics statement above.

but when you try to tell me that i have not done something i have witnesses watching me do.... that only pisses me off more....
I'm sorry.

i told you before im not going to respond to your bullsh|t anymore...
This is inaccurate, as you just did reply to my bullsh|t (your word, not mine).

and i fucced up....
We have a point of agreement.

should have been true to that
We have two points of agreement.

but for some reason i thought you would grow a brain and realize that you cant tell a person that has been there and done that, that its not possible....
That is an inaccurate statement, as I don't believe that you have been or done much of what you claim.

but.. i guess not...
Correct.

so you keep talkin to yourself and your little buddies about why im full of crap and i couldnt possibly have done what i did...
Ok, I will.

and i will continue to hold the respect of my peers
Could you point them out to us, please?

for having done what the great bob cosby claims is impossible to do....
I'm not great, and by any reasonable measure, what you claim is not possible.

i guess i have you to thank for that.... dont i? :D
You're certainly welcome.

Good evening. :)

^... LOL
line by line... just the way i like it :D

^... LOL
line by line... just the way i like it :D

It does NOT get any better than that.

ZeeDub trying to Battle Bob......It's like a midget getting it's nuts stomped by a Clydesdale :)

ZeeDub trying to Battle Bob......It's like a midget getting it's nuts stomped by a Clydesdale :)


OMFG! :lol: This thread is KILLING me! I love it!

Well, I better go do some mods to my LT1 so that I don't get taken down by any TBI 305s.... :lol: :rolleyes:

This thread gives me headache... hard to read... Run on sentence... Hard to read... Please learn English.... makes post easier to read... please be kind to those trying to read... thanks.... :eek:

Hey Zeedub why dont you just meet up with one of my buddies who has a stock LS1 in the Ptown area? Then you can prove yourself.

I mean theres is no way anywone will EVER believe you beating even a stock LS1 unless you do something like that....or post a timeslip.

Not knocking on you or anything, Im just saying..You have a hard time believing LS1s are high 12 cars stock. So back it up. There are plenty of people that would be willing to back up the LS1 but very, very few back up the LT1 in this case.

Again, Im not hating on you, but Im providing a good means of settling this.

You meet up with someone with a stock/lightly modded LS1, be it auto or stick, and run them.

Come back, report the results, and you will be vindicated.

simple.

Otherwise, the BS will just rattle on and on.....and on...

Although it is VERY entertaining to read you guys go back and forth

I was just entertained while I read this thread(about 30 mins of slow reading while drinking my Dr. Pepper and smoking my Marlboro Lights and relaxing)

but the fact is that LT1 wasnt modded, was an automatic, may have had some other issues with it, but nothing visable... and he was only about 2 - 3 car lengths ahead of me.... steadily pullingIf I may interject, and I'm quite suprised given your usually lucid replies, but this statement contradicts your previous claim regarding the race with the LT1.
I'll refresh your memory.
I had a 92 305 Camaro RS with a 5 speed..... and with nothing but intake, no cat, and flowmasters, i was able to hang with an LT1...
...as well as...
...you can state your claims all you want about me not having a chance in hell with an auto LT1.... but ive got witnesses to say that he only beat me be half a car length...I would recommend that you proofread your posts for accuracy and correlation with prior lies, fibs, exaggerations and fabrications before hitting the "Submit" button.
S.

If I may interject, and I'm quite suprised given your usually lucid replies, but this statement contradicts your previous claim regarding the race with the LT1.
I'll refresh your memory.
[/b]I would recommend that you proofread your posts for accuracy and correlation with prior lies, fibs, exaggerations and fabrications before hitting the "Submit" button.
S.

I noticed that too but I didnt want to say anything, plus I didnt want to go back and quote...too lazy

Be a mentor, not judge/jury/executioner. True, There's only enough rooom at CZ for one of us. :cool:

"Could you point them out to us, please? "

ill only point out this..... i dont give a flying fucc about you, or anyone elses opinion in this place..... my respect is held elsewhere, because people i associate myself with dont make random assumptions, and flap their lips continuously... and all this? because they respect me, and know that if they choose to lose that respect, i will ask them to refrain from being in my presence... and if they choose to disrespect that wish...... they also know im going to take offense to it with a passion.... and thats when it would get ugly...... im no bully, and i dont look for fights, i hate them... but fact is, people respect me because i treat them with respect.... and even in here, i wasnt the one running around the posts looking for something to try and pawn off my knowledge on... that was all you bob... i made one post about something and you decided to be a dick-head about it and make a stink.... was it any of your business? it was about me racing a 5.0... and all the little scavengers came in and decided to talk trash about how a mildly modded LT1 couldnt beat a mildly modded 5.0 stang.... what a bunch of hypocrite losers... im sorry to say, but 60% of you goons are flaming queers.... and i will ONLY ask advice when i need it... if you choose to answer? ok... fine... if not? i could give a damn... you all may know how to work on these cars more than i do, but your internet personalities are 100% dog sh*t...... bunch of keyboard badasses... and i dont dig the type of person that will only call u up, or write you an email talkin sh*t.... shows no moral character... which is something i have lots of..........

Hey Zeedub why dont you just meet up with one of my buddies who has a stock LS1 in the Ptown area? Then you can prove yourself.

I mean theres is no way anywone will EVER believe you beating even a stock LS1 unless you do something like that....or post a timeslip.

Not knocking on you or anything, Im just saying..You have a hard time believing LS1s are high 12 cars stock. So back it up. There are plenty of people that would be willing to back up the LS1 but very, very few back up the LT1 in this case.

Again, Im not hating on you, but Im providing a good means of settling this.

You meet up with someone with a stock/lightly modded LS1, be it auto or stick, and run them.

Come back, report the results, and you will be vindicated.

simple.

Otherwise, the BS will just rattle on and on.....and on...

Although it is VERY entertaining to read you guys go back and forth

I was just entertained while I read this thread(about 30 mins of slow reading while drinking my Dr. Pepper and smoking my Marlboro Lights and relaxing)


see? mutual respect... why cant everyone be like this? lay out your points, bring up facts, and be nice about it.... you catch more bees with honey, you catch flies with sh*t.....

fact is man... ive TRIED telling people ive raced other cars and taken them... ive raced cammed out LT1s and won... ive raced 5.0s with heads and full exhaust... you think i take my past-time lightly? whenever there is room to do it, and its safe to do so (or as safe as doing something otherwise unsafe, and unlawful could be...) i run any car i can.... ive taken an LT1 with all the same mods as me, and more... on a freeway run and put him to shame.... but you know what? no matter what i post.... bob cosby will be here to say "ITS FRICKIN IMPOSSIBLE YOU STUPID MAN!!!!" so it really doesnt matter... im beginning to wonder if when i say something like "i lost a race" he will still talk crap about how impossible it was for me to have lost.... hes just out to try and label me as a liar, and all his gooney friends will continue to jack him off about it, so it really doesnt matter.... Stone, you may believe the things i say .... you may not... but i will tell you right now, i am an honest man, and since jeff is the only person who is on this board that knows me like he would his own brother if he had one.... he is the only person i can use for a witness... i have no reason to lie, my ideas for future additions and how they will effect HP and 1/4 mile time may differ from everyone elses, but i actually grade down.... a person will tell me by a dyno chart that this cold air kit will give the car 15 - 20 HP... i will contradict it with "no... i would say more like 6 - 8... wouldnt even feel it in the seat of your pants..." im just that type of person, i dont believe little bolt ons will give you the HP you hear about... but anyways... what im tryin to say is, everything i have said? is pure fact... otherwise i wouldnt say it... given i dont give a damn about what anyone here thinks about me as a person, it really doesnt matter enough to me to lie about sh*t to get their favor... i tell it how it is.. it may be far fetched, but its real..... and i never said i beat that LT1... it was a few car lengths ahead of me, but i took it off the start.. as in i had a much better launch... and bob still has to try and make it out to be "TOTALLY FRICKIN IMPOSSIBLE!!!" :rolleyes: PM me if you want me email and phone number, and tell your friend im down for a race anytime..... i may win, i may lose... but at least there would be 2 people here to say either or, and how bad....

Oh my.

"Could you point them out to us, please? "

ill only point out this..... i dont give a flying fucc about you, or anyone elses opinion in this place.....
Once again, I disagree with this. If you didn't care, you wouldn't reply.

my respect is held elsewhere, because people i associate myself with dont make random assumptions, and flap their lips continuously...
Ok.

and all this? because they respect me, and know that if they choose to lose that respect, i will ask them to refrain from being in my presence...
Ok. It appears many of us do not respect you. That leaves us (you and I) with a couple of choices. We can leave, ignore, or continue to reply.

I'm going to stay, read, and reply. You may do as you wish - but so long as you are hear, don't expect me or anybody else to "refrain from being in your presence".

and if they choose to disrespect that wish...... they also know im going to take offense to it with a passion....and thats when it would get ugly......
This sounds like a threat. Not that it matters to me in the least, just a personal observation.

im no bully, and i dont look for fights, i hate them... but fact is, people respect me because i treat them with respect....
Or not.

and even in here, i wasnt the one running around the posts looking for something to try and pawn off my knowledge on... that was all you bob...
I don't view what I did as "trying to pawn off my knowledge". However, you yourself stated in an earlier reply that I should do just that. So what do you REALLY feel?

i made one post about something and you decided to be a dick-head about it and make a stink....
Colorful descriptors aside, I did indeed make remarks directed towards what I viewed as punk "ghetto" language.

Sorry.

was it any of your business?
Absolutely. You posted it on a public message forum that I am a member of. The only reason for posting something on a public message forum is to solicit feedback. The fact that you didn't like the feedback given is irrelevant.

it was about me racing a 5.0... and all the little scavengers came in and decided to talk trash about how a mildly modded LT1 couldnt beat a mildly modded 5.0 stang....
You know, I don't think anybody said a mildly modded LT1 couldn't beat a mildly modded 5.0 stang. I certianly didn't, because I know better. If I did, please go back and find the quotes and post it here. Prove me wrong, and I'll gladly take responsibility for it. Publically.

what a bunch of hypocrite losers...
We all have our opinions, but you might want to find a mirror.

im sorry to say, but 60% of you goons are flaming queers....
This statement will likely go a long ways towards building credibility.

and i will ONLY ask advice when i need it...
Ok. I fail to see the point, but ok.

if you choose to answer? ok... fine... if not? i could give a damn...
Ok. Once again, I fail to see the point, but ok.

you all may know how to work on these cars more than i do, but your internet personalities are 100% dog sh*t......
Please see above remark about the mirror.

bunch of keyboard badasses...
As far as you know. Dirty dark little secret: It would worry me if you thought otherwise.

and i dont dig the type of person that will only call u up, or write you an email talkin sh*t.... shows no moral character... which is something i have lots of..........
Who sent you an e-mail from here? Certainly not I.

As for moral character, kindly forgive me if I disagree with you. Or not. Tis no big deal.

see? mutual respect...
Was there really? If you say so, ok.

why cant everyone be like this?
Would be a rather boring world, don't you think?

lay out your points, bring up facts, and be nice about it....
With the exception of being nice about it (in my early posts), most of what I have done is lay out points (in great detail) and bring up facts.

you catch more bees with honey, you catch flies with sh*t.....
Yes, and you've been buzzing around a lot lately.

(sorry, couldn't resist that one)

fact is man... ive TRIED telling people ive raced other cars and taken them... ive raced cammed out LT1s and won... ive raced 5.0s with heads and full exhaust...
I'm sure you have. Note that I am only referring to the "races" you have discussed previously, in detail - not these "other" races you are no supposed to have participated in.

you think i take my past-time lightly?
I have no clue, nor do I really care.

whenever there is room to do it, and its safe to do so (or as safe as doing something otherwise unsafe, and unlawful could be...) i run any car i can.... ive taken an LT1 with all the same mods as me, and more... on a freeway run and put him to shame....
Ok. Cars vary somewhat. Even push-n-go cars.

but you know what? no matter what i post.... bob cosby will be here to say "ITS FRICKIN IMPOSSIBLE YOU STUPID MAN!!!!"
That is inaccurate. I will only say that if it really is impossible and you really are saying something stupid. For evidence, I will reference you to all of your other posts.

so it really doesnt matter...
Which is why you continue to reply?

im beginning to wonder if when i say something like "i lost a race" he will still talk crap about how impossible it was for me to have lost....
Who knows? I would have ignored this post if you hadn't of mentioned me by name. I even stated as much. Of course, that doesn't mean I will ignore future posts. As stated many times, this is a public message forum. If you don't wish to have people comment on what you say, then don't post.

hes just out to try and label me as a liar
I do not need to do that - the evidence speaks for itself.

and all his gooney friends will continue to jack him off about it, so it really doesnt matter....
Still stuck on the "doesn't matter" thing. Interesting.

Stone, you may believe the things i say .... you may not... but i will tell you right now, i am an honest man, and since jeff is the only person who is on this board that knows me like he would his own brother if he had one.... he is the only person i can use for a witness... i have no reason to lie, my ideas for future additions and how they will effect HP and 1/4 mile time may differ from everyone elses, but i actually grade down.... a person will tell me by a dyno chart that this cold air kit will give the car 15 - 20 HP... i will contradict it with "no... i would say more like 6 - 8... wouldnt even feel it in the seat of your pants..." im just that type of person, i dont believe little bolt ons will give you the HP you hear about... but anyways... what im tryin to say is, everything i have said? is pure fact... otherwise i wouldnt say it...
Ok.

given i dont give a damn about what anyone here thinks about me as a person
That is a nice thought, but based on your numerous replies, I don't believe it.

it really doesnt matter enough to me to lie about sh*t to get their favor... i tell it how it is..
As far as you know.

it may be far fetched, but its real..... and i never said i beat that LT1... it was a few car lengths ahead of me, but i took it off the start.. as in i had a much better launch... and bob still has to try and make it out to be "TOTALLY FRICKIN IMPOSSIBLE!!!"
See above.

PM me if you want me email and phone number, and tell your friend im down for a race anytime..... i may win, i may lose... but at least there would be 2 people here to say either or, and how bad....
Cool. I look forward to hearing about the results.

Have a wonderful day. :)

it may be far fetched, but its real..... and i never said i beat that LT1... it was a few car lengths ahead of me, but i took it off the start.. as in i had a much better launch... No, you actually said...
I had a 92 305 Camaro RS with a 5 speed..... and with nothing but intake, no cat, and flowmasters, i was able to hang with an LT1...
...as well as...
...you can state your claims all you want about me not having a chance in hell with an auto LT1.... but ive got witnesses to say that he only beat me be half a car length...The story is changing as you go.
You want respect? Stop spewing bullsh*t and acting like a hard@ss keyboard-warrior. :rolleyes:
And BTW, I'm not sure where you read that people argued the fact that a modded LT1 couldn't beat a modded 5.0. Maybe you hallucinated it, or read it in another thread, but it wasn't in this one.
S.

:lol: @ this thread.

you all may know how to work on these cars more than i do, but your internet personalities are 100% dog sh*t...... bunch of keyboard badasses...

You're the one who seems to have problems with nearly everyone on this board. Have you considered that maybe it's YOUR personality and not all of ours?

Keyboard badasses? Again, you're among the only people in this thread to make threats. Wasn't it YOU who had a post edited my the Moderator because of threats?

Your friend who can vouch for you isn't your friend anymore, apparently thanks to what you did. What was your reply to him? Something like "I don't care." -- sounds like you're the dick, not anyone else.

:lol: this guy just gets dumber by the minute..kind of like a reverse evolution effect.

ZeeDub,

I understand that in the race you originally posted about, you hung fairly close to the Cobra. Maybe the other guy was at WOT, maybe he wasn't.

At this point that race is irrelevant. Until you get some dyno numbers or a few runs at a track (timeslips) we're not gonna believe your car is anywhere near as fast as you think.

If it truly is that fast, then congratulation on snagging a great car. You may have a lot more mods than you know about.

If it isn't a mid to low 13 sec car, then I think you should keep working on the car til it is. That's most everyones goal here, making their own car faster than it previously was. There is not a better way that I know of to accurately judge a single car's potential.

Best of luck to you, and we would all like to hear what times you put down at the strip.

L4L

ZeeDub: Stop making threats to people about what you would and would not do from across the country if you were in someones face. Take me for instance, I worked in a maximum security prison for several years (18-22 year olds medium, close custody and supermax)and used to fight inmates on a daily basis, but you do not see me on here trying to act like a billy bad ass when someone says something I don't like. You don't scare anyone, not even close, so put a cork in it with the threats.

OMG, i haven't laughed this hard in ages. Just give it a rest dude :lol:.

With the way you talk about your MaD tIzigHt driving skills and confronting people, you must be related to vin diesel :bow:.

OMG, i haven't laughed this hard in ages. Just give it a rest dude :lol:.

With the way you talk about your MaD tIzigHt driving skills and confronting people, you must be related to vin diesel :bow:.


:lol: quiet foo, hes gonna busta cap up yo ass. i cant wait to see some of his track times. and after he runs a 14.8 at 99.5 mph with a 2.6 60 ft, he will probably say the car wasnt running right..or he was only running at 1/4 throttle because he didnt want to embarrass the Saleen S7 running in the lane next to him. and even then, the Saleen was only "pully away slightly, but I hung right with him"

In Vin Diesal voice "I live my life 1/4 throttle at a time"

rookie? i see what your saying, but im no rookie... i test drove another 95 Z28, with no mods but intake, exhaust, and Zr-1 wheels.... and that car was sluggish in my opinion... this one? actually threw me back in my seat, which is why i got it... ive driven lots of camaros, my style, and the LS1 style, and LS1s are quick, but this will give an 02 SS a run for its money... and its an LT1 with 275 BHP.... like i said, i know i still have a lot to work on, but with the mods i carry on this car, and the experience i have driving others, i can honestly say its a hell of a lot faster than most other Z28s of the 4th generation....stock/mildly modded ones anyways... im just saying guys, this car has its benifits... im not saying its fast because i own it.... i own it because i thought it was fast before i bought it.... and while i know in order to be REALLY fast... as in low 13s - high 12s... im gonna need a nice set of hi performance mods... such as cam, injectors, full exhaust, a stall converter, and maybe even a set of AFR heads... plus proper tuning, i think i could run in the mid - high 12s even at best... and thats all im shooting for, i dont care about 10 second ETs, or lifting my nose off the ground... i just want a streetable car that will turn heads and jam on just about anything i come in contact with on the street.... and if not? with a new motor, built for low compression, i could probably even slap on a nice 200HP nitrous shot rigged on a time release... like Zex or something.... for the race you just CANT afford to lose :D (and yes, i know it doesnt guarentee races, but at the same time, if a guy is a car length or 2 in front of you, im sure a nice 200 shot would put you in the lead....) and thats when i would park the car, and make it track use only... but by then i will have 2 or 3 cars, so i could afford to do that. Right now? i need to focus on getting it in 100% condition, then i will work on performance... then i will take it to a track...
After reading that I got my proof you really dont know much about LT1's or anything else for that matter...and I never knew low 13's high 12's was "REALLY fast" as you like to put it. :lol:

ZeeDub,

I understand that in the race you originally posted about, you hung fairly close to the Cobra. Maybe the other guy was at WOT, maybe he wasn't.

At this point that race is irrelevant. Until you get some dyno numbers or a few runs at a track (timeslips) we're not gonna believe your car is anywhere near as fast as you think.

If it t