me vs a gs400 (too close for comfort)

On my way to work this morning around 4 am I come across a gs400 (don't know the year) I normally wouldn't pick a race with a known slower car but I NEVER run into anything and he seemed playfull :D.
We are on a one lane road, he's in front and proceeds to get on it since he heard my car. I follow suit and sloooowly catch up :eek: ok I was thinking, that wasn't fun. I did a quick fly by were it splits into a two lane road to see if he really wanted to play, I let him catch up and it was on. I take off in my dead spot (about 80mph) and take it up to 120 ish and he's about 1 to 1 and a half cars behind me :confused:
I notice the light is red up ahead and we both stop and talk for a sec before pulling into the gas station. I asked if it was stock and he told me it was. We pull into the gas station and chat for a bit, I told him my mods and we both complimented each others car :thumb:
I thought it was over, I pull out of the gas station, pull a u-turn and he follows me, I'm already in the left turn lane and he comes next to me asking if I wanna go! I obliged and he gets me out of the hole by a car and a half and I didn't pass him ti'll about 80ish and put 1 or 2 cars on him by 120. THIS CAR CAN'T BE STOCK

What gears do you have? He must have some significant mods!

the stock 2.73's, but still that shouldn't matter that much unless he was modded (which he said he wasn't) for all he knows he could've purchased the car already modded and thinks it is still stock.

Some people have put the turbo Supra motors in the Lexus cars since they use the NA version of the motor (300 series) but the 400 is a V8 and I haven't heard of a swap into one of those. It is possible though.

Originally posted by LeadSled1
Some people have put the turbo Supra motors in the Lexus cars since they use the NA version of the motor (300 series) but the 400 is a V8 and I haven't heard of a swap into one of those. It is possible though.

I was honestly waiting for him to say he had a turbo, but as soon as he said he was stock it felt as if someone throw a cinder-block at my noggin and my car was running on 5 cylinders.

2.73s + cam might be bad news...

how big of a stall?

Have you had your car to the drag strip?

Originally posted by robvas
2.73s + cam might be bad news...

how big of a stall?

Have you had your car to the drag strip?


2800rpm stall, I haven't been to the strip since the cam install, it actually opens up next month so I should be up there to get some times hopefully after my head swap! before the cam My car went 13.9 with a 2.4 60ft at 101. not making excuses but my opti was crap. so I know it's not a slouch by all means

Did you ever hear his car? Because if you did you would have probably heard a bov if he has an aftermarket turbo. Yea people always stretch the truth about their car. My friend with a 95 civic with cai, and full exhaust raced another 95 civic that was "stock" but my friend got smoked by about 2 cars within 30 mph. We found out he had a stock b18 motor. So he was "stock" but not for his car.

Originally posted by BiGGinZ
Did you ever hear his car? Because if you did you would have probably heard a bov if he has an aftermarket turbo. Yea people always stretch the truth about their car. My friend with a 95 civic with cai, and full exhaust raced another 95 civic that was "stock" but my friend got smoked by about 2 cars within 30 mph. We found out he had a stock b18 motor. So he was "stock" but not for his car.


at WOT I probably wouldn't hear the earth break in two :D gotta love cutouts

I believe your story is entirely possible, and I also believe if he told you he was stock that he was. There aren't really many power-adding mods for a GS4 since most aftermarket bolt-ons aren't all that much more efficient than the stock parts. GS4 owners don't start making real gains until you start talking S/C, T/C, or nitrous, at which point a well-designed motor can produce upwards of 1000-1500 horsepower.

I've never heard of a GS4 owner swapping in the 2JZ-GTE, but I have heard of plenty of people buying the GS300 and running a turbo setup (since the 300 has the 2JZ-GT)

All I can tell you is that I owned a lightly modded 94 Z28 and I now own a 99 GS400 (see sig) with no power-adding mods.

My Z28 would definitely take the jump to 30... probably all the way up to 60 or 70... but after that my GS4 would have been about even and slowly pulled away.... after 100 or so my GS4 would have absolutely left my Z in the dust.

The GS4 has a 300 horsepower DOHC 32v 4.0L V8

Realistically this is the range of stats I've seen from just about every independest source on the planet:
0-60 on a stock GS400 seems to be between 5.7 and 6.3 seconds depending on conditions, driver, etc.
1/4-mile seems to be anywhere from 13.7 @ 102.x to 14.4 @ 97.x depending on all the conditions.
Top speed is between 159 and 162 depending on conditions.

The GS430 is actually only equal in speed to the GS400... and by some reports is actually slightly slower. This is mainly due to Lexus' simultanous addition of wait when they upgraded the displacement of the motor.

Originally posted by Threxx

All I can tell you is that I owned a lightly modded 94 Z28 and I now own a 99 GS400 (see sig) with no power-adding mods.
My Z28 would definitely take the jump to 30... probably all the way up to 60 or 70... but after that my GS4 would have been about even and slowly pulled away.... after 100 or so my GS4 would have absolutely left my Z in the dust.


No. A mildly modded '94 Z would not be "absolutely left in the dust by a stock GS4." In fact they might be even or the Z would be pulling slightly.

Originally posted by Threxx

1/4-mile seems to be anywhere from 13.7 @ 102.x to 14.4 @ 97.x depending on all the conditions.
Top speed is between 159 and 162 depending on conditions.


Stock '94 Zs have gone as fast as mid 13s at 102 and topped out at 159+. Yours was mildly modded remember?

Originally posted by Threxx
All I can tell you is that I owned a lightly modded 94 Z28 and I now own a 99 GS400 (see sig) with no power-adding mods.

My Z28 would definitely take the jump to 30... probably all the way up to 60 or 70... but after that my GS4 would have been about even and slowly pulled away.... after 100 or so my GS4 would have absolutely left my Z in the dust.

The GS4 has a 300 horsepower DOHC 32v 4.0L V8
probably only feels that way because the lowend isnt all there LOL.

Originally posted by MauriSSio
probably only feels that way because the lowend isnt all there LOL.

Yeah... lol! Cuz the 325 ft-lbs of torque at 3400 RPM in the GS4 is absolutely nothing compared to the whopping 325 ft-lbs of torque at 2400 RPM in the LT1.[/sarcasm]

Like I said... due to the Z28's suspension, plus its earlier torque peak... it was definitely better off the line. But I'd hardly say the GS4 has no low end.:)

Originally posted by Steve Y
No. A mildly modded '94 Z would not be "absolutely left in the dust by a stock GS4." In fact they might be even or the Z would be pulling slightly.

I'm giving my opinion.
I've owned both cars for quite some time and driven both cars in almost any manner possible.

Where's your resume?:)

Why exactly would I be unbiased enough to say that the LT1 would take it off the line but then somehow biased in saying that the GS4 would leave it in the dust top end?
I'll also be the first to tell you that an LS1 would not only take it off the line but the GS4 would never catch up... period.

But we weren't talking about LS1s in this thread.


Stock '94 Zs have gone as fast as mid 13s at 102 and topped out at 159+. Yours was mildly modded remember?
*sigh*
Yep... I'm sure they have. I'm sure plenty of cars have gone faster than other cars just like 'em. I'm more interested in the average performance of both cars if you just picked them off the street with equal drivers in stock form.

Yes, I do remember mine was mildly modded... and it still wouldn't have done 159 MPH. Believe me... I tried a couple of times (yes I was young and stupid) and I couldn't quite make it past 150... which is pretty substantial in terms of top speed where 10MPH means the difference between a plain ol' C5 and a Z06.

Originally posted by Threxx
I believe your story is entirely possible, and I also believe if he told you he was stock that he was. There aren't really many power-adding mods for a GS4 since most aftermarket bolt-ons aren't all that much more efficient than the stock parts. GS4 owners don't start making real gains until you start talking S/C, T/C, or nitrous, at which point a well-designed motor can produce upwards of 1000-1500 horsepower.

I've never heard of a GS4 owner swapping in the 2JZ-GTE, but I have heard of plenty of people buying the GS300 and running a turbo setup (since the 300 has the 2JZ-GT)

All I can tell you is that I owned a lightly modded 94 Z28 and I now own a 99 GS400 (see sig) with no power-adding mods.

My Z28 would definitely take the jump to 30... probably all the way up to 60 or 70... but after that my GS4 would have been about even and slowly pulled away.... after 100 or so my GS4 would have absolutely left my Z in the dust.

The GS4 has a 300 horsepower DOHC 32v 4.0L V8

Realistically this is the range of stats I've seen from just about every independest source on the planet:
0-60 on a stock GS400 seems to be between 5.7 and 6.3 seconds depending on conditions, driver, etc.
1/4-mile seems to be anywhere from 13.7 @ 102.x to 14.4 @ 97.x depending on all the conditions.
Top speed is between 159 and 162 depending on conditions.

The GS430 is actually only equal in speed to the GS400... and by some reports is actually slightly slower. This is mainly due to Lexus' simultanous addition of wait when they upgraded the displacement of the motor.


I don't see a GS400 or 430 leaving a midly modded Z28 at any speed. I have personally raced a couple different GS400/430 with my S-type JAG (32V DOHC V8) and have beat all 3 of them. Even when my WS6 was bone stock it still would have spanked my JAG at at speed. :eek:

What cam are you running?

Atleast I know they're quick, but even if he was stock I have a hard time believing he'd be keeping up with my 330rwhp z28. :confused: unless I suck at driving :bow:

Originally posted by 96SilverRam
I don't see a GS400 or 430 leaving a midly modded Z28 at any speed. I have personally raced a couple different GS400/430 with my S-type JAG (32V DOHC V8) and have beat all 3 of them. Even when my WS6 was bone stock it still would have spanked my JAG at at speed. :eek:

Are you sure they weren't 300s or maybe 400/430s with drivers that weren't really heads-up on the race?

Obviously you are convinced.

However it's just odd... I assume you have the non-supercharged V8 S-type, right? Somewhere between 2000 and 2003? Most performance specs I've read on those put them between 14.4 and 15.1 @ 93-96 MPH in the 1/4-mile. I've actually raced one of my clients (I do IT consulting for a lot of doctors offices) in his 2003 S-type from a 70 MPH roll and left him so bad he was actually pissed off and considering selling his car.:lol:
Now the supercharged S-type (Type "R" they call it I think) is another story... 390 horsepower. Those things do seem to commonly run high 13s @ 102 MPH or so and I'm sure one of those would take a GS400/430 quite handily unless the Jag was on its worst behavior and the GS4 on its best.

Originally posted by Threxx
I'm giving my opinion.


Exactly, you are guessing. Did you ever race the two cars from a 100 mph roll? Or time them both from 100-130 mph or something like that? I doubt it. Until you have proof, this is all just bench racing.


Originally posted by Threxx

Yes, I do remember mine was mildly modded... and it still wouldn't have done 159 MPH. Believe me... I tried a couple of times (yes I was young and stupid) and I couldn't quite make it past 150... which is pretty substantial in terms of top speed where 10MPH means the difference between a plain ol' C5 and a Z06.

You need to be in 5th gear for top speed with a stock geared F-body (if it is m/t). You need to be on a level road with no wind and run that thing out for a long time to get to true top speed.

Hey Threxx I don't get it....... Your time for the GS400 in your sig 14.4 @ 98.X and you say it would walk a stock Z28 at higher speeds? I believe a stock six speed LT1 would walk you pretty steadily, but from a higher roll maybe an auto would be interesting.

FastZinTennessee - The only reason I have that time in my sig is to give people a demo of a program I really like: Cartest2000, and to give them an idea of what GS4s are capable of. True I could just quote the average posted time for my car, or even the best posted time for my car (like most car guys do), but the time it gave for my car is on the extreme high end of what GS4s run... which is why I don't feel like I'm BSing anybody by posting it since I haven't been to the track (yet).

Originally posted by Steve Y
Exactly, you are guessing. Did you ever race the two cars from a 100 mph roll? Or time them both from 100-130 mph or something like that? I doubt it. Until you have proof, this is all just bench racing.

You need to be in 5th gear for top speed with a stock geared F-body (if it is m/t). You need to be on a level road with no wind and run that thing out for a long time to get to true top speed.

So let me get this straight.

Person A starts this thread because his modded Z28 barely took out a stock GS4. Then all sorts of people start talking like that's nearly impossible, the GS4 must have had mods that the Z driver just didn't know about, etc, etc. Then I come in, having owned and driven both cars extensively and give my opinion. And somehow, because I never lined by two cars up against each other, I'm benchracing now?

It's funny how on this board, if you make a positive/cheerleading comment about a domestic, or a cynical comment about an import, it's never questioned, but if you come in supporting another member who had a close encounter with an import and would otherwise have no reason to lie about his experience, and have more hands-on experience with GS4s than pretty much everyone else in the thread combined... you are still 'bench racing' unless you've run both of your cars side by side.:lol: There's just no pleasing you guys.

Originally posted by Threxx
FastZinTennessee - The only reason I have that time in my sig is to give people a demo of a program I really like: Cartest2000, and to give them an idea of what GS4s are capable of. True I could just quote the average posted time for my car, or even the best posted time for my car (like most car guys do), but the time it gave for my car is on the extreme high end of what GS4s run... which is why I don't feel like I'm BSing anybody by posting it since I haven't been to the track (yet).



So let me get this straight.

Person A starts this thread because his modded Z28 barely took out a stock GS4. Then all sorts of people start talking like that's nearly impossible, the GS4 must have had mods that the Z driver just didn't know about, etc, etc. Then I come in, having owned and driven both cars extensively and give my opinion. And somehow, because I never lined by two cars up against each other, I'm benchracing now?

It's funny how on this board, if you make a positive/cheerleading comment about a domestic, or a cynical comment about an import, it's never questioned, but if you come in supporting another member who had a close encounter with an import and would otherwise have no reason to lie about his experience, and have more hands-on experience with GS4s than pretty much everyone else in the thread combined... you are still 'bench racing' unless you've run both of your cars side by side.:lol: There's just no pleasing you guys.

Now your just tryin to be a funny ( are you sure it was not a 300), please. Actually one of the GS's I raced was coming home from Indiana last summer. He tried me from a 60 & 80 mph roll and I put 2 cars on him and held to 130. If you walk your bosses 2003 s-type from 70 then he forgot to turn off the trac - control and he also forgot to turn on the sport mode. These two things can strangle and s-type if you forgot to do them. It also helps for him to use the J-gate in manual mode. I think in reality you and me both have good running luxury cars that are a little faster than the stats show them to be. No it's not an S-type R, but that car easily does 13.30 @ 108 in the right weather conditions.:eek:
I'm buyin one of those this summer or the new 7 series on 22's.

Either way on the luxury cars, I still don't see the JAG or GS dustin a Z28 from a 70 roll. Just my informed opinion, considering we both own luxury & F-body's. :D

Here's some pics of the jag: http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/420806

Originally posted by Threxx

All I can tell you is that I owned a lightly modded 94 Z28 and I now own a 99 GS400 (see sig) with no power-adding mods.
after 100 or so my GS4 would have absolutely left my Z in the dust.


:bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:

Originally posted by Steve Y
:bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:

Tell ya what... if you want to do the legwork in finding me somebody who owns a 93-95 Z28 w/ no or light mods (what I meant when I said light was hypertech programming and aftermarket muffler (some others, but none performance related) in the Memphis area that would like to run me on the highway and I'll be more than willing.:)

Originally posted by Threxx
Tell ya what... if you want to do the legwork in finding me somebody who owns a 93-95 Z28 w/ no or light mods (what I meant when I said light was hypertech programming and aftermarket muffler (some others, but none performance related) in the Memphis area that would like to run me on the highway and I'll be more than willing.:)

Ok, I will post it in the Lounge!

Originally posted by Threxx

All I can tell you is that I owned a lightly modded 94 Z28 and I now own a 99 GS400 (see sig) with no power-adding mods.

Didn't your car run like total **** and only turn a mid 14?

A stock, in-tune LT1 would walk your Lexus down, highway or not.

Originally posted by robvas
Didn't your car run like total **** and only turn a mid 14?

A stock, in-tune LT1 would walk your Lexus down, highway or not.

Yup... my Z28 ran mid 14s. Then again that's what pretty much every stock LT1 Z28 I've seen at my local track runs.

I guess we'll see if anybody responds to my thread.

if youre only running 98 MPH then i dont see you walking any LT1 maybe running even with them for a while but even then,the F-Body should have better aerodynamics.

Originally posted by MauriSSio
if youre only running 98 MPH then i dont see you walking any LT1 maybe running even with them for a while but even then,the F-Body should have better aerodynamics.

The 98 MPH in my sig is just a cartest simulation.. it reports right about the same trap speed for the Z28 as well. It's a very conservative program that assumes very average drivers, average conditions, average run, etc.

The GS4, strangely enough, is actually more aerodynamic than the 93-96 Camaro (not sure about the T/A or 98+ models)

is it?whats the frontal area and drag coefficiency of the GS 400?

Originally posted by MauriSSio
is it?whats the frontal area and drag coefficiency of the GS 400?

If I remember correctly the frontal area is 23 sq ft and the cD is .28

93-95 f-bodies, if I remember correctly are 22 sq ft and .34 cD

whered you get these numbers???

Originally posted by Threxx
If I remember correctly the frontal area is 23 sq ft and the cD is .28

93-95 f-bodies, if I remember correctly are 22 sq ft and .34 cD

How much rwhp does a stock '99 GS400 put out?

Originally posted by MauriSSio
whered you get these numbers???

Lexus publishes the CD specs for the GS400 in their technical materials... as for the f-body that's just what I seem to remember from quite a bit of time on this site.

Originally posted by Steve Y
How much rwhp does a stock '99 GS400 put out?

If memory serves me... about 250...

Flywheel HP is about 300... some say a bit over.

The GS4's driveline, due to its 'cushy/overbuilt' design is a couple percentage points behind the industry norm for auto trannies in terms of parasitic drivetrain loss.

Originally posted by Threxx
If memory serves me... about 250...


If that's true, then a stock LT1 6-speed should be a very close race with the GS400 from a 100 mph roll. LT1 = 262 rwhp stock but worse aero drag.

When and If I get a rematch with this guy i'll post the results to end this, next time I'll get a better launch and be in the correct lane :D I should crush him good.

Steve, before you raise the bs flag, consider this. The GS400 has a drag co-efficient of .27-.29 (spoiler or not). That's better than 99% of the sports cars ever built including the c5. My Z is .33 and my vette is .32 for comparison. Considering the GS400 has 300 hp compared to the z's 275....and the fact that at 100 mph weight is not much of a factor, why's it impossible that the higher hp car with better aerodynamics is faster at high speed?

Jason

Originally posted by Steve Y
:bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:

Originally posted by yellavette
Steve, before you raise the bs flag, consider this. The GS400 has a drag co-efficient of .27-.29 (spoiler or not). That's better than 99% of the sports cars ever built including the c5. My Z is .33 and my vette is .32 for comparison. Considering the GS400 has 300 hp compared to the z's 275....and the fact that at 100 mph weight is not much of a factor, why's it impossible that the higher hp car with better aerodynamics is faster at high speed?

Jason

I think a C5 is .29. Stock the Z has the same or more rwhp than the GS400. The Z weighs about 400 lbs. less. The GS400 has a better c/d but more fronal area. He also said a Z with a muffler and a hypertech which should add at least 10-15 rwhp to the Z. So I think this race would be close or the Z would win from 100 mph. He said the Z would be left in the dust from 100 mph, remember. All of this is bench racing anyway, we need somebody that will step up to his challenge and see!

I don't know either way....I was just throwing that out there for arguments sake;) On paper they look comparable....who knows on the street....but I think "left in the dust" is a little extreme. I've gone back and forth from Vettes to *** turbo 6's....and the difference in feel between them is amazing. Because the 350 is so loud and rumbly....with such a linear power band, you never get that "holy sh*t" type of accleration feel....whereas a smooth, quite, *** car (with comparable hp) feels faster even though it may not be. I had a supercharged 94 vette a couple years back that really didn't "feel" all that fast....not nearly as fast as my bpu Supra felt....but the first time at the strip she ran 12.20@122 which is the fastest (mph) pass I've ever made. Totally suprised me.

Jason

Originally posted by Steve Y
I think a C5 is .29. Stock the Z has the same or more rwhp than the GS400. The Z weighs about 400 lbs. less. The GS400 has a better c/d but more fronal area. He also said a Z with a muffler and a hypertech which should add at least 10-15 rwhp to the Z. So I think this race would be close or the Z would win from 100 mph. He said the Z would be left in the dust from 100 mph, remember. All of this is bench racing anyway, we need somebody that will step up to his challenge and see!

Originally posted by Steve Y
The Z weighs about 400 lbs. less.



Lets see, a LT1 Fbody weighs 3300?, Bc my GS4 was 3700 with half a tank. I thought 3500 lbs was about right for an Lt1 fbody.

Frontal area is about a wash. The wider tires on the Fbody offset the lower height. Both around 22-23sq/feet.


I think a LT1 6speed is going into overdrive at about 125 .. my GS4 is still in direct 1-1 from 100 to 135. Not to mention its pretty much in a sweetspot in the 115-125 range. .. just ask the LS1 drivers that dont gain any distance on me there..


GM published a CD .36 for the 4th gen fbody when it first came out.

Originally posted by gs400tx
Lets see, a LT1 Fbody weighs 3300?, Bc my GS4 was 3700 with half a tank. I thought 3500 lbs was about right for an Lt1 fbody.

Frontal area is about a wash. The wider tires on the Fbody offset the lower height. Both around 22-23sq/feet.


I think a LT1 6speed is going into overdrive at about 125 .. my GS4 is still in direct 1-1 from 100 to 135. Not to mention its pretty much in a sweetspot in the 115-125 range. .. just ask the LS1 drivers that dont gain any distance on me there..


GM published a CD .36 for the 4th gen fbody when it first came out.

You are right about the GS400's weight, my bad. I looked it up and it said 3690 lbs. A 6-speed hardtop LT1 weighs about 3450 lbs. So the Z has a 240 lb. advantage. Stock LT1 6-speeds dyno about 257 rwhp stock. What does the GS400 dyno stock? This race is just speculation anyway until we find two guys with these cars and ball of steel to do this.

based on my experience.
Mine was 240 on the MTI-DJ.

Probably ~5percent less hp at the tires than a LT1.

Its usually below 80 the Lt1 cars have an advantage. The extra weight of the GS and less torque gives the advantage to the fbody until aerodynamics come into play. At that point, weight is a minimal factor and the aero/gearing of the 5speed auto in the GS begins to show up..

Its usually within a car one way or the other (on a lt1 with exhaust) up till 100, then the GS has a minor advantage.

A good example is the time I played with a convert LT1-Vette.

The top was up on the vette, it was an auto trans. From 15mph to 115, the distance stayed about exactly the same. The vette was about .5 cars back. About the same as the 300ZX-TT I played with (several times) up to the 120 range. Id would say for LT1-fbodies, it really comes down to who punches it first to up about 100 or so.. its that close.

Originally posted by gs400tx
Not to mention its pretty much in a sweetspot in the 115-125 range. .. just ask the LS1 drivers that dont gain any distance on me there..




Do these LS1's have two spark plug wires pulled or what?!?!

I can probably find about 3 or 4 local peeps in the WS6s and SSs that will confirm my comments. They probably are on this board...

Dont forget, a LS1 TA with the headlights up is just about the same CD as a LT1 car. A little better on the Z.

Isnt your average LT1 fbody about 2 cars back on an LS1 in the 70-120 range.. I would expect no more distance for an LS1-gs4 matchup

According to car and driver, an auto LS1 SS takes 6.4 seconds (13.4 to 100, 19.8 to 120) to go from 100 to 120. I think the GS4 is right about 6.6 to 6.8. I cant find it now... I think the 100 time was 15.4 and the 120 time was 22.x

Pretty small differences there...

Originally posted by gs400tx
based on my experience.
Mine was 240 on the MTI-DJ.

Probably ~5percent less hp at the tires than a LT1.

Its usually below 80 the Lt1 cars have an advantage. The extra weight of the GS and less torque gives the advantage to the fbody until aerodynamics come into play. At that point, weight is a minimal factor and the aero/gearing of the 5speed auto in the GS begins to show up..

Its usually within a car one way or the other (on a lt1 with exhaust) up till 100, then the GS has a minor advantage.

A good example is the time I played with a convert LT1-Vette.

The top was up on the vette, it was an auto trans. From 15mph to 115, the distance stayed about exactly the same. The vette was about .5 cars back. About the same as the 300ZX-TT I played with (several times) up to the 120 range. Id would say for LT1-fbodies, it really comes down to who punches it first to up about 100 or so.. its that close.

So what do you think about Threxx's statement? He said a stock GS400 will leave a Z28 ('94 T-top automatic, 2.73s, muffler, and hypertech) in the dust from a 100 mph roll.

My car would put ~ carlength or maybe a little more but thats probably about all..

Im a little older (but not much smarter).. and dont do quite as much "testing" as I used to.

I get most of my heavy right foot time in the camaro lately.

take care/be careful
:cool:

edit 9:30
I actually have a friend that has a 93-hawk with macs and 1.6s. It made 290 at the tires. He and I have never played, He should put a car on me at least I would think. If it ever happens I will be sure and post.. either way.

Originally posted by gs400tx
based on my experience.
Mine was 240 on the MTI-DJ.

Probably ~5percent less hp at the tires than a LT1.

Its usually below 80 the Lt1 cars have an advantage. The extra weight of the GS and less torque gives the advantage to the fbody until aerodynamics come into play. At that point, weight is a minimal factor and the aero/gearing of the 5speed auto in the GS begins to show up..

Its usually within a car one way or the other (on a lt1 with exhaust) up till 100, then the GS has a minor advantage.

A good example is the time I played with a convert LT1-Vette.

The top was up on the vette, it was an auto trans. From 15mph to 115, the distance stayed about exactly the same. The vette was about .5 cars back. About the same as the 300ZX-TT I played with (several times) up to the 120 range. Id would say for LT1-fbodies, it really comes down to who punches it first to up about 100 or so.. its that close.

thanks for clearing things up, I do feel better about my marginal win. even though I wasn't stock :cry:

Hey Threxx are you in the WTFBA? I live in Collierville myself and I am a member.

Hey Threxx are you in the WTFBA? I live in Collierville myself and I am a member.

Wow almost a year old thread! :eek:

Nah... I know Roger and a couple others from there but I had just sold my Z28 by the time I heard about it. Are you in it? Yeah I'm in Collierville around a nautical mile or two away from Halle.:)