Disappointing Times

Just got a time... http://web.camaross.com/bb/frown.gif it was kinda disappointing. I expected 15.5 - 15.7 but i was hurt when I saw 16.293 @ 81.53 on the timeslip. I had a .171 r/t too! Oh well, better luck next time.

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Hang in there http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif The times are sucking right now due to weather and humidity.Learn how to launch better and go back in cooler and drier weather.Then you can expect a .5 sec drop.Good luck.
Kevin

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what was your 60ft time? this could be a traction problem

first of all, don't expect to be too quick on your first couple of passes. try some better launching techniques. soon you'll get it. second of all the mods you've made won't give you that much of a torque gain to really notice anyway.

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60 ft time was 2.395...but my tires didnt spin or anything. There was a 2000 v6 in the lane next to me...he was stock and he ran 16.3 and 16.5. He said he didnt spin either

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Yea maybe with time ill get better...i think .171 r/t was pretty good for 1st time. What other mods can I do to bring my time down. I see most 3800s running somewhere around 15.0 - 15.7. Thats where I want to be. Could it be the humidity and the weather? It was like 85 degrees.
How much would SLP Ram Air Induction and 160 degree thermostat bring me down? With the thermostat dont I need a manual fan switch? I saw someone get the 160 thermostat and run 15.9 then put in the manual fan switch and bring it down to 15.0 How does the fan switch work? Thanks

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trust on these two things

1) you will get better with time
2) with the mods you have, you won't see a big change in et.

you have goods mods, but it seems like you just went with word of mouth from some other guys or you went and got what everybody says is that best. if you're really serious about dropping seconds off your et, you need to sit down and think about it. you need to choose mods that will improve torque if you want a better quarter mile time. not only that but you need to make a few runs to get a good feel for where in the rpm band your car spends most of it's time. then choose mods that will increase torque in that band. no matter what people tell you, a manual fan switch and a thermostat will not drop 1.3 seconds off your time. think about it, if a 100 horse nitrous system will drop 2 seconds off your time, how is a fan and a thermostat gonna drop 1.3 seconds? you want fast times? get yourself a big intake system, a dual exhaust, some headers, and a nitrous system or supercharger. for added speed, port your heads and intake. mark my words, you're not gonna be as fast as you think messing around with useless things like manual fan switches.


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What does it mean to port your heads and intake/exhaust? Thanks

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it means that someone takes a little p-grinder and grinds away some of the rough turns and surface in your heads. this will give a smoother path for air to flow. porting the intake is about the same thing and it opens it up a little more. more air means more power.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joshs99BlackBeauty:
How much would SLP Ram Air Induction and 160 degree thermostat bring me down?
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I ran an average of 15.3 without the ram air kit, but I did have the free ram air. I went ahead and spent a $130 on the whisper ram air and took it to the track the following week. I ran an average of 15.0. Even though I have a 160* stat, it does nothing performance wise. It just opens up earlier. A manual fan switch WILL help, thus keeping your car cool in staging.


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I would be more worreid about your mph, even with a bad 60' you should have a better mph, I aver5age about 4 mph faster then yours.

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Ah, I can answer this one for you: forget whatever mods anyone else said ... it's all about your rear axle. Your 60' times indicate that you've probably got an auto tranny with 3.08 gears & an open diff. All you need is a rear axle swap w/ an M6 car or you can install your own LSD w/ 3.42 gears. That will drop your 60' times by at least 0.3 sec & your 1/4 mile time by .6 seconds or more. 3.08 gears are the worst ... I can't even believe GM installed them.

At any rate, it's unlikely that you've got the Y87 performance package which includes the better gears & LSD. That would explain your times.

forget the other mods....riiiiight. i run low 13's. this guy's still talking about 15's.

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3.08 gears with open differential is exactlly what I have. How hard is it to change the gears? Should I buy the whole kit from SLP for...i think its 300 or 400, or would i just need to get the gears themself for 200?

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My dad has 2.73 gears in his z28 and he runs 13.9 STOCK.....If i do change my gears from 3.08 should i go ahead and get 3.73? how much of a difference would that make?

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your dad runs high 13's in his z28. i do low 13 in my v6. if you really wanna know how much a gear change will do for 4th gen camaro's. pick up the latest copy of gm high tech performance and look for yourself.

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Changing gears isn't cheap. Best to buy a rear end from a z28 or something... the trick is recalibrating your speedo. If you dont', your MPH will be off by about 10% and so will your odometer...meaning you'll be driving slower than your speedo indicates, and when your odometer reads 100000miles, you'll really only be at 90000, which could make reselling a nightmare http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

Gears will give you torque, you might want to consider a 2800 stall torque converter as well. Other mods that work well with this setup are Transgo Shift and corvette servo.

To each his own... you'll get hundreds of different opinions on what way to modify your car. It all depends on what you want.

Good luck...

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I just got back from Advance Auto and the guy said anyone who puts A 160 degree thermostat and a manual fan switch is crazy. He told me the 160 thermo would mess up my engine so bad and there was abosolutely no need for a fan switch. He said 3.73 gears is what I need and to get the whole kit (including speedo reprogrammer) from SLP, get a 2800 stall torque converter, and get the auto place down the street to port my heads, intake, and exhaust and I would be set. He also said headers work make a big difference. He suggested doing the Ram Air (free) and gettin a tube from Home Depot and running it from the bottom on the intake to the front 2 openings in the nose, where that little grey piece that says camaro is and it would give me about 15 hsp. What do you all think my times would be then? Thanks for the info!

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i know 3 guys that work at advanced auto parts.......dont listen to them. some dont know what they are talking about, others just say stuff to get you to leave with their stuff. alought some deffiantly know there sh*t. you live in SC. a 160 thermo is fine, and a manuel fan switch is always a good idea for the track or other wise. the thing i think is wrong with your ET is that the weather had to do with it. if you went recently...it has be hot as hell, and the humidity has been thick. that probabably didnt help your time. just keep practicing and wait till fall when you get some nice crisp air.

mm2harrell- why dont you try to help the man instead of being detrimental to his cuase.
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They were right about the gears and converter, but wrong about the thermo and fan switch in my opinion.

A 160 thermo won't help you much at the track but i'd recommend it for engine life...running the engine cooler all the time is good. The fan switch is great for racing...especially on those summer days when staging... it's the best way to keep your engine cool.

As for gears....3.73's will help your times better but i'd go for 3.42's if you still plan on using your car to drive on the highway. With 3.73's, you'll lose a lot of top end power and your car will rev a lot higher at highway speeds. 3.42's and a 2800 stall converter could take a second off your et i've been told repeatedly.

Also, consider the Transgo and vette servo if you've got the extra little bit of money.



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I know what the transgo is but what is the corvette servo? As for the gears, im still debating on 3.42 or 3.73. 3.73 would give me better times but ive still gotta drive it around town. So im still not sure.

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The corvette servo(s) make the tranny use less clutch engagement on 1-2, 2-3 shifts.

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i am trying to help the guy. no one wants to listen. read the latest issue of gm high tech performance for info on how much gear changes will help. coincidentally, it also has a blurb about if a thermostat and a manual fan switch will help or not. pick up a copy, then decide for yourself. you can use all the trick little gimmicks you want, but if they don't produce torque, you're wasting your time. you'll just be wondering why you only have 15's with your mods while the guy with nitrous you lined up with got a low 13 time. if you need to ask any further questions call "Millenium Autosports" in portsmouth, virginia. the number is (757)488-4909. talk to grey.

oh yeah. and i also ran at cooper river dragway in sc.

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Just got paid and this money is burning a hole in my pocket. This is what Im thinking about buyin for now: SLP Ram Air Induction - $129, Transgo Shift Kit - $109, and B&M Transmission Cooler - $55. All from Thunder Racing. Where can I find a Corvette Servo? How much do they cost? Ill pick up the GM High Tech Performance and see what I can find. Thanks.

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no problem man. i'm not saying that a rearend and a manual fan switch aren't good things to get one day. i'm just saying, you're not gonna get the results you want. this is what i did to mine.

K&N high flow air intake
flowmaster dual exhaust
eibach lowering springs
venom 400 engine controller
accel 300+ race wires
zoom powertorque clutch
zex 100 horse nitrous kit

i have had this combo for over a year and i have had nothing but success with it.

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We're all trying to help him... but not everybody wants to run nitrous... and in my case, budget is a concern and I dont' like nitrous.

I'm perfectly happy improving my et 3 tenths at a time. If I eventually get to the 13's great... if not, still having fun.

Your points are valid, but so are mine.

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Yea i dont mind improving my time little by little, but nitrous is just not an option for me right now. I can afford the risk of nitrous with school and work. If I can run low 14s w/o nitrous i am perfectly satisfied with that. Ive got a list of things I want to do to the car I just need the funds to do it. This is my list: Ram Air, 3.73 Gears, Headers, Venom 400 or Jet Chip, Port Heads/Intake/Exhaust/Throttle Body, 2800 or 2600 Stall Torque Converter, Transgo Shift Kit, B&M Transmission Cooler, Corvette Servo. That goes along with the already Home-made whisper lid, K&N filter (give no power), Remove Cat, and Flowmaster Muffler. Hopefully the combination of this entire list will get me to low 14s. Does anyone think it will? Thanks

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Something that always bothers me is when people say crap like "I run 13's and they run 15's so don't listen to them". So does that mean that everyone should be quiet and listen to you? You have an opinion and if others sprayed n2o, you would be one of the many 13 second V6's.

My question 13 second man, NA times? That is what the guys responding are talking about.

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15.358@89.47 MPH w/ 2.227 60'
15.364@90.92 MPH w/ 2.383 60'

That's always a tough thing to say for certain, but if you stick with 2800 stall or 3000, i would say it's attainable under good weather conditions.

With those gears and everything you're saying, I dont' think 2600 would help all that much... anyone else?

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What year Z28 does your dad drive? If it is an LS1 and he runs a 13.9 he definately needs to practice....
Another thing I noticed, your reaction time has nothing to do with your ET. What matters is your 60ft. That is what will REALLY affect your ET. Your mph is low too. With practice alone you'll see a time diff. But with better gears and traction you'll se an even bigger difference!
Good luck,
Rick
ps. What was your 60ft on those runs? what rpm were you launching at? What were your shift points? What gear were you crossing the traps in?

My dad has 99 LS1 Z28. I thought 13.9 was good for a stock Z28. All the magazines said a stock 99 Z28 runs 14.0 and 14.1. My 60 ft was 2.3. I cant find a 3000 stall tc all i could find was a 3300 stall tc. Would this help me more? Another question I had was, people around here are tellin me that I shouldnt get the 160 thermo because something about it messes up the computer in the car bc its set to work with a 195 or whatever comes stock in it. They told me I need to get the venom 400 or the jet chip so I can program that Im using a 160 thermo. Where can I get a venom 400? How much are they? If i get the transgo shift kit, is it easy to install? Should I just take it to a mechanic or something? Can i just get the transgo or do I need to have something else like a tranny cooler or jet chip/venom 400? I want to get as many things as I can for my car but i dont wanna get something and install it when theres something else I need with it such as: if i get a torque converter i should get a tranny cooler too. That may sound confusing but I think you see what im saying? I dont wanna mess anything up. thanks
ps. Im ordering my SLP Ram Air Kit in the next few days and then the transgo in a few weeks.

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The reason for getting higher stall converter is to help put your engine in it power band. I do not think you would want to go up that high of a stall. As for your slp ram air get www.fasttoys.com (http://www.fasttoys.com) ram air system. Gears and lsd will help. Better traction you could get lower control arms. Bmr probably has the cheapest. I am suprised no one has mentioned headers or I have missed it. Check out a company called super sixx motorsports. They have a system that will give a guarenteed 200 rearwheel hp. It is a bit costly though. Did you change your complete exhaust? I know you have a flowmaster and x-pipe for cat? Why an x-pipe?

Ill check those things our. I got the X-pipe put on because tahts what they guy at the muffler shop said fit so i said whatever. Is the fast toys ram air any different/better than the slp ram air?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joshs99BlackBeauty:
My dad has 99 LS1 Z28. I thought 13.9 was good for a stock Z28. All the magazines said a stock 99 Z28 runs 14.0 and 14.1. My 60 ft was 2.3. I cant find a 3000 stall tc all i could find was a 3300 stall tc. Would this help me more? Another question I had was, people around here are tellin me that I shouldnt get the 160 thermo because something about it messes up the computer in the car bc its set to work with a 195 or whatever comes stock in it. They told me I need to get the venom 400 or the jet chip so I can program that Im using a 160 thermo. Where can I get a venom 400? How much are they? If i get the transgo shift kit, is it easy to install? Should I just take it to a mechanic or something? Can i just get the transgo or do I need to have something else like a tranny cooler or jet chip/venom 400? I want to get as many things as I can for my car but i dont wanna get something and install it when theres something else I need with it such as: if i get a torque converter i should get a tranny cooler too. That may sound confusing but I think you see what im saying? I dont wanna mess anything up. thanks
ps. Im ordering my SLP Ram Air Kit in the next few days and then the transgo in a few weeks.
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Stock LS1's 98-00 run arond 13.0-13.3 stock. Magazines are always WAAAYYY to slow with high perfcars and suck asdrivers. I ran with a ****ty 60ft back when I was stock in my 98 T/A a 13.3. 2001-2002 LS1's are even known to see high 12's stock. Your dad should run faster times with more practice.
In regards to your next mod, a stall should be it. Ask around to see what fits you best depending if your car is a daily driver or a weekend warrior. A 160 thermo will not hurt you. I run one in my T/A and ran one in my old 99 V6 firebird. It runs better and helps with engine life. The Jet Chip is good for performance but it does not help with fan temps. I suggest if you want to run cooler to do a 160 stat and a fan switch.
Goodluck,
Rick

If my dad put some slicks on the back could he get those low 13s? He has a BIG problem with tires slippin. Thanks.
ps. I ordered my slp ram air today.

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you're definitely right. i would be one of many running 13's. i have no problem with that. but they won't because people have a misconception that nitrous will ruin your car. which it won't unless you misuse it.


thanks for your concern anyway, though.

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