GTO prospective buyers...prepare to bend over.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2418518672&category=7244

Still want to get in line for the new Grand Prix Tee Oh...? ;) :eek: :p

V8 performance is ONLY for the wealthy these days....:mad:

I'd like to point out a few things

1. They list a VIN. There is no VIN yet issued, so obviously this is mis-leading.
2. I'm not even sure allocations are going out yet. Not even all the dealerships are getting them in. (or will only get one)
3. Rest assured, ask me 6 months from now, and i'll be able to get you one at sticker or less. Anyone who buys one before they hit the ground is just asking to pay way too much.

Don't be too upset yet. This is just pure american greed that comes with any new auto introduction.

come on enough with the grand prix references.... it should cuase back when the gto was made in yesteryear.. it stemmed from a basic lemans and guess what looked just like a lemans!! with the exception of hood schoops, rims, engine size!!!.. can we get off it already on how it looks like a grand prix.. thats nothing new here!!! compared to how they made them back then!!......thank you

Remember that thread that once surfaced on the board showing a picture of a Evo 7 marked up to like $45 or $55k? Theres a local dealership here selling one for right around $30k.

Its the same thing with that GTO. Only people who are wealthy and really want to be the first one in Ameria would bid on that car. Prices will drop.

I don't think the smart shopper need necessarilly get raped on a GTO. Don't get me wrong.....I believe all 18 thousand will be quickly snapped up....but I think there will be room to deal.

A local Pontiac dealer said that he had 15 pre-orders early this year. 5 of them cancelled after seeing the GTO at the Chicago Auto Show.

I have yet to see a marked up 2003 Cobra , infact dealer around here are actually selling below sticker . Gm's dealers ...around here anyways always seem to totally kill a good thing with greed . I feel sorry for anyone that paid $40K or more for a collector ed. TA or a 35th SS :rolleyes:

I haven't seen a marked up Cobra in awhile. But when they first came out most of the ones I saw had about a $3 grand mark up.

I saw a Mach 1 a couple of weeks ago with a $7,000 dealer mark up!:eek:

I have 3 orders in the system, but no allocations and have not been preferenced...I think both those things are WAY off in the future...

The price to be the absolute first on your block to own something like this is almost always very high. I would say that patience is in order, and skipping the first year car will probably be a good idea anyway. I will use the Z06 vette as an example. Everyone who could possibly want at Vette wanted a Z06 in 2001 when the horsepower jumped to 385 and the car got great press everywhere. Many people gave sticker plus thousands more, some $10000 more, to own the car first. Like everyone else, I was impressed with the car compared to our 2000 FRC Vette , but we could not justify the asking prices for the car. Then, blammo, the 2002 car debutes with 405 horsepower, and the 2001 car is obsolete overnight. We purchased a new Electron Blue 2002 Z06 in September of 2001 for $4000 off of sticker here at Ross Downing Chevrolet in Hammond, LA. If you check around, you will find the 2001 Z06's going begging for buyers in the low $30000 range in many cases. GM has already acknowledged that it has changes in mind for the 2005 GTO that will add more personality and performance. By then, many potential buyers may have already purchased a car, and there could be less competition for these improved cars in a year or so. Other cars like the Viper, PT Cruiser, Miata, New Beetle, etc. have all been down the same path. Thanks, Rudy E.

That dealer is a schmuck.
The VIN is a real VIN alright; for a 2002 Grand Prix.

Why do they even bother?

That VIN is from a 2000 grand prix..

The GTO will be something like "6G2........123456", being that it's assembled in Australia.

All in all, that auction is for naive idiots to bid on.

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Look how many bids it has...
I would be tempted to bid on it if it had the LS6 and looked remotely different than a Monaro...And those tiny azz tires? psht...fogedaboutit

GM should use this slogan: Gotta have=gotta pay$$$$$.

I thought the GTOs where only going to come with manuals?

That's just one dealer trying to cash in, not surprising. Same thing has been attempted on every other recent "limited" production performance car. MSRP should not be hard to get on this car I'd assume.

To David M. Bottino at Davis Pontiac/Isuzu, 922, Second Street Pike, Richboro, PA 18954 Phone #: 1-888-527-9924 (ex:126)
Just to let you know, the VIN you have is for a Grand Prix. A 2000 Grand Prix

Also, you do not have an allotment and have not been prefrenced as of yet for a GTO. I won't even touch on the fact the price you are asking for (about $12,000 over projected price).

Just letting you know that it's border-line fraud, and is putting a bad taste in the mouth of consumers regarding GM's efforts to win back faith with alot of potential buyers, not only of GTO, but of all GM models and brands.

I have sent off an e-mail to Pontiac and GM bringing this to their attention.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2418518672&category=7244#moredetail


Yep, I sent it to a Pontiac media rep, and to someone a bit higher up in GM who might be interested in something like this.

I had nothing else better to do at 6 AM before work. :D

Originally posted by guionM
Yep, I sent it to a Pontiac media rep, and to someone a bit higher up in GM who might be interested in something like this.

I had nothing else better to do at 6 AM before work. :D


Good! :thumb:

And I hope GM makes them yank it, and punishes them for it by taking away their GTO allocations if they would get some.

They need to hold dealers responsible if they do things to tarnish GM's image.

Like it or not, most consumers see GM and their dealerships as one organization.

Got a reply from the scalper (I won't even call him a dealer). Check this out:

Oh by the way I can order GTO's now, they will be here by Christmas, all one has to do is pick a color and I can ask any price in the world for the car. I am not trying to win anyone back to GM, this will be a car that creates a high demand, dealers will be lucky to get 2 nationwide,and again I can mark a vehicle up as I like.

Of course I forwarded his response to a really helpful, well placed guy at GM who will likely forward it up the chain to the right people.

I'm really curious as to what type of service this place gives it's customers.

In case anyone want's to send comments, the e-mail address is: sales@drivedavis.com , and the point of contact is: David M. Bottino at Davis Pontiac/Isuzu, 922, Second Street Pike, Richboro, PA 18954 Phone #: 1-888-527-9924 (ex:126)

Originally posted by guionM
Got a reply from the scalper (I won't even call him a dealer). Check this out:



Of course I forwarded his response to a really helpful, well placed guy at GM who will likely forward it up the chain to the right people.

I'm really curious as to what type of service this place gives it's customers.

In case anyone want's to send comments, the e-mail address is: sales@drivedavis.com , and the point of contact is: David M. Bottino at Davis Pontiac/Isuzu, 922, Second Street Pike, Richboro, PA 18954 Phone #: 1-888-527-9924 (ex:126)

What an arrogant fool. :rolleyes:

This person has zero customer relations skills... yes he can mark up any car over sticker... I wonder if he'll have the same attitude if you want to buy a new Aztek or any other car on his lot? :think:

At best, he comes off as a lying, slimey jerk. :lol:

Keep us up on anything more you hear from him or who you are forwarding this stuff to!

What did the slimebag have to say about the fact that he is advertising the wrong VIN#?

This whole situation got me thinking of how much better I think the car/truck buying process would be if the manufacturers owned and ran the 'dealerships'... cut out the middleman.

By doing so, the manufacturers would still be able to select knowledgable people who care about the cars, like Jason E... but trim some of the slimey fat from the underbelly! :)

The car makers would have direct control of how their products were sold, displayed, whatever...

Needless to say, he WILL get whatever he wants for the car most likely! :(

Heck, I remember when PS2 first hit the market, guys that were lucky enough to get some REAL early sold their units for upto $14,000 on ebay. I remember seeing multiple units go for $12,000 and a ton of them for $1,000+ !!!!!

Money is no object to some in this world, unfortunately for those of us who work for a living, this guy seems like an ass to us.