Do not do business with Ryan AHART
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Do not do business with Ryan AHART
Hey guys, just thought I'd give you fair warning in advance not to do work with Ryan Ahart. He's unreliable and flakey.
I had him do work on my Camaro as many of you know with a gear set and posi. He turned it out in a couple days, no fuss, runs great.
So I contracted him to do some work on my Yukon, fixing a leak in the tranny, and to get my A/C working. Being that I had a decent dealing with him the first time round. Combined with everyone's reccommendation of him for private work I could trust him. But he has proved to me this is not the case.
It took at least a week, possibly two (hard to remember its been so long) to get ahold of him. He would not return messages left, or e-mails. When I did get a hold of him he gives short notice when to bring the vehicle by. This I can understand and appreciate because he has a family and what not. So I'm still cool with it, but this is not how to do business.
He gets to work on the transmission. Fixing the leak I had, and tells me that by the time I get there he should be ready. (A/C included). So I depart and when I get there the hood is up, and he's inside the house...not working on the Yukon. So I wait a few minutes figuring he had a bathroom, snack break or something, so, again, I'm still cool with that. Then when he comes out, he proceeds to tell me that its not ready (the A/C) because he broke my A/C line trying to get it removed. Now I wasn't happy about that. But I am a mechanic myself and I understand that sometimes things break and there is nothing you can do about it, that's just part of the game.
So I am at his place ready to pick up my Yukon and its not ready. And if memory serves me correctly I left it there a full two days, if not three - I was without a vehicle.
I was always forced to call to find out status. When he told me it 'should' be ready he neglected to mention he broke the A/C line. Nor did he call me when I was on my way over to ask me if he should go and pick up another A/C line and I'd pay him for it, or even that he just broke it and wouldn't be finished. He didn't call. He had about 3 or 4 contant numbers to reach me, not including e-mail and private messaging. Nothing. Although he claimed he called AND left messages. Neither my phone at the time nor my later phone bills showed any calls from his house, work, or other phone number I could not account for.
Despite being unhappy about a promised job that was not finished, I asked him when I would be able to bring it over and have it finished. His answers are nearly always the same, bring it over tomorrow, or over the weekend - meaning I have to wait the end of the week, or to call and he'll let me know.
So I play the run around game, and at the time although being dissapointed, I figured he was trustworthy. This later proved to be my worst mistake....
I paid him in full for both the Tranny leak and the A/C work, in cash. and left.
Well after some time I am finally able to get a hold of him and agree on a time to bring it over...
When I show up (a 45 minute drive) at the agreed upon time, he's working on his bike, and continue's to do so while I am there. I had no ride that time and was forced to wait for the work to be done. So I wait patiently not saying anything. When he does go to work on the Yukon - he finds that he did not bring any of the tools he needs to gain access to the A/C system. So I had to wait nearly 2 hours more for a friend to show up who has the right tools.
After spending a minimum of 4 to 5 hours at his house (working with him and helping) my A/C system STILL isn't finished. And the same routine follows. Only it will now become much much worse.
Which brings me to today. I have called, or my Father has called Ryan for about 6 weeks now, maybe a full 2 months trying to get him to finish the Yukon. He is always too busy, won't return messages either at work or at home, won't answer e-mail, or respond to instant messages. I have been polite with him on every occassion giving him the benefit of the doubt in every instance he lets me down. But I try to give other people the same respect I would want for myself. That's just me and my personality.
I have respectfully asked him to either refund the money for doing the A/C work, or simply finish it up. He has neglected to do either of those. And refuses to make any attempts to contact me, or otherwise avoid my contacting him.
This is not how business should be done. And I wanted to warn others so they do not do business with Ryan Ahart. He is unpredicatable, and unreliable. I did not intend to slander anyone or make insults. But the fact of the matter is that Ryan Ahart has stolen from me...theft of service. I asked him to do something, pre-paid him CASH IN ADVANCE and he backed out. I realize my own mistake and I have to accept responsibility for that, however that does not excuse the truth that Ryan Ahart did not fulfill his responsibilites and duties to me. I have given him every opportunity I possibly can to resolve the matter between us and he ignores me like it will go away.
I am pleading my case to his peers in hope they will encourage him to do the right thing. I really hate to resolve this through legal intervention, but if I cannot get back what I am owed I see no other rectification.
I'm giving Ryan Ahart one more week before I have to spend more money to file a small claims civil suit against him. I realize that in the end it may cost more, but I am also a man of principle and it comes down to honor and respect. I simply cannot allow another person to take advantage of me without having consequences.
I had him do work on my Camaro as many of you know with a gear set and posi. He turned it out in a couple days, no fuss, runs great.
So I contracted him to do some work on my Yukon, fixing a leak in the tranny, and to get my A/C working. Being that I had a decent dealing with him the first time round. Combined with everyone's reccommendation of him for private work I could trust him. But he has proved to me this is not the case.
It took at least a week, possibly two (hard to remember its been so long) to get ahold of him. He would not return messages left, or e-mails. When I did get a hold of him he gives short notice when to bring the vehicle by. This I can understand and appreciate because he has a family and what not. So I'm still cool with it, but this is not how to do business.
He gets to work on the transmission. Fixing the leak I had, and tells me that by the time I get there he should be ready. (A/C included). So I depart and when I get there the hood is up, and he's inside the house...not working on the Yukon. So I wait a few minutes figuring he had a bathroom, snack break or something, so, again, I'm still cool with that. Then when he comes out, he proceeds to tell me that its not ready (the A/C) because he broke my A/C line trying to get it removed. Now I wasn't happy about that. But I am a mechanic myself and I understand that sometimes things break and there is nothing you can do about it, that's just part of the game.
So I am at his place ready to pick up my Yukon and its not ready. And if memory serves me correctly I left it there a full two days, if not three - I was without a vehicle.
I was always forced to call to find out status. When he told me it 'should' be ready he neglected to mention he broke the A/C line. Nor did he call me when I was on my way over to ask me if he should go and pick up another A/C line and I'd pay him for it, or even that he just broke it and wouldn't be finished. He didn't call. He had about 3 or 4 contant numbers to reach me, not including e-mail and private messaging. Nothing. Although he claimed he called AND left messages. Neither my phone at the time nor my later phone bills showed any calls from his house, work, or other phone number I could not account for.
Despite being unhappy about a promised job that was not finished, I asked him when I would be able to bring it over and have it finished. His answers are nearly always the same, bring it over tomorrow, or over the weekend - meaning I have to wait the end of the week, or to call and he'll let me know.
So I play the run around game, and at the time although being dissapointed, I figured he was trustworthy. This later proved to be my worst mistake....
I paid him in full for both the Tranny leak and the A/C work, in cash. and left.
Well after some time I am finally able to get a hold of him and agree on a time to bring it over...
When I show up (a 45 minute drive) at the agreed upon time, he's working on his bike, and continue's to do so while I am there. I had no ride that time and was forced to wait for the work to be done. So I wait patiently not saying anything. When he does go to work on the Yukon - he finds that he did not bring any of the tools he needs to gain access to the A/C system. So I had to wait nearly 2 hours more for a friend to show up who has the right tools.
After spending a minimum of 4 to 5 hours at his house (working with him and helping) my A/C system STILL isn't finished. And the same routine follows. Only it will now become much much worse.
Which brings me to today. I have called, or my Father has called Ryan for about 6 weeks now, maybe a full 2 months trying to get him to finish the Yukon. He is always too busy, won't return messages either at work or at home, won't answer e-mail, or respond to instant messages. I have been polite with him on every occassion giving him the benefit of the doubt in every instance he lets me down. But I try to give other people the same respect I would want for myself. That's just me and my personality.
I have respectfully asked him to either refund the money for doing the A/C work, or simply finish it up. He has neglected to do either of those. And refuses to make any attempts to contact me, or otherwise avoid my contacting him.
This is not how business should be done. And I wanted to warn others so they do not do business with Ryan Ahart. He is unpredicatable, and unreliable. I did not intend to slander anyone or make insults. But the fact of the matter is that Ryan Ahart has stolen from me...theft of service. I asked him to do something, pre-paid him CASH IN ADVANCE and he backed out. I realize my own mistake and I have to accept responsibility for that, however that does not excuse the truth that Ryan Ahart did not fulfill his responsibilites and duties to me. I have given him every opportunity I possibly can to resolve the matter between us and he ignores me like it will go away.
I am pleading my case to his peers in hope they will encourage him to do the right thing. I really hate to resolve this through legal intervention, but if I cannot get back what I am owed I see no other rectification.
I'm giving Ryan Ahart one more week before I have to spend more money to file a small claims civil suit against him. I realize that in the end it may cost more, but I am also a man of principle and it comes down to honor and respect. I simply cannot allow another person to take advantage of me without having consequences.
Last edited by Bliggida; Jun 11, 2003 at 11:10 PM.
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Dude, he STILL hasn't fixed it? We talked about this a LONG time ago. That's f'd up. So your dad is driving back and forth to work in 90+ degree weather with no AC. That's nice. If it were my dad I'd kick someone's ***. That ain't right.
Hey, Ryan, you gonna settle up or what? It's YOUR reputation on the line, man. All you have in life is your "word." It would suck if you got the reputation of a CHEAT. But that's your deal..........
I hope this gets settled soon for the sake of you both. I'd hate to see this get any uglier than it is right now.
Hey, Ryan, you gonna settle up or what? It's YOUR reputation on the line, man. All you have in life is your "word." It would suck if you got the reputation of a CHEAT. But that's your deal..........
I hope this gets settled soon for the sake of you both. I'd hate to see this get any uglier than it is right now.
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Well to be honest Slo-Ride I didn't want to turn this into a sob story but you are correct. My father sufferes from heat stroke and because Ryan has flaked out. He is forced to drive south Texas heat in a business suit during rush hour in a black vehicle. I was going to keep it to "just the facts" but its sad that I am on a student budget. If it was just me that was suffereing it wouldn't bother me nearly as much. But with my Dad at his older age come home drenched and beat-red...you have no idea how angry that makes me, and what I'm willing to do because of that.
Ryan named his price, I pre-paid him and the work isn't done. So now since I gave my money to Ryan, I don't have anything left to take the Yukon to an A/C shop and get it fixed by spending 200 to 400 dollars for A/C I couldn't have afforded that to begin with. Why is why I thought Ryan was a God-send. And it wasn't like it was 'too good to be true' because I felt his price was fair considering the work needing done. And I was willing to pay all I could afford for some genuiwine help - especially between mechanics and F-body owners.
Ryan named his price, I pre-paid him and the work isn't done. So now since I gave my money to Ryan, I don't have anything left to take the Yukon to an A/C shop and get it fixed by spending 200 to 400 dollars for A/C I couldn't have afforded that to begin with. Why is why I thought Ryan was a God-send. And it wasn't like it was 'too good to be true' because I felt his price was fair considering the work needing done. And I was willing to pay all I could afford for some genuiwine help - especially between mechanics and F-body owners.
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If Ryan is half the man I know he is, he'll fix this situation. I have his back 1000000000000000% and will mention this to him. However, YOU better be prepared to eat your god**** words, and post that he fixed this. He has done SO many people right in this city and doesn't deserve being trashed on MORE THAN ONE BOARD about one slipup that I'm sure can be explained. I sometimes have trouble talking to him online, and we talk just about every day. Did you ever think that it could be someone in his family online? I've sure run into that before.
I've referred people to him before, and I'll continue to do it until he gives me reason not to. There are always two sides to the story, so I'm waiting on his before I change sides.
If you are so concerned about your dad being in the heat, why don't you let him take one of your "hotrods" that has AC??? SOB story my ***.
What you are willing to do out of anger seeing your father like that?
Ryan isn't a cheat, or a thief. I've known him ALOT longer than you, and he is NOT like that at all, PERIOD!!! If their is a pending money issue, he will resolve it. Unless he has been a total fake to this entire city and club, then I doubt he is out to steal a few bucks.
Lay off.
scott
I've referred people to him before, and I'll continue to do it until he gives me reason not to. There are always two sides to the story, so I'm waiting on his before I change sides.
If you are so concerned about your dad being in the heat, why don't you let him take one of your "hotrods" that has AC??? SOB story my ***.
What you are willing to do out of anger seeing your father like that?
Ryan isn't a cheat, or a thief. I've known him ALOT longer than you, and he is NOT like that at all, PERIOD!!! If their is a pending money issue, he will resolve it. Unless he has been a total fake to this entire city and club, then I doubt he is out to steal a few bucks.
Lay off.
scott
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I can understand your problem also, but like Scott said, Ryan has done a fantastic job for a lot of people. Hell my 12 bolt has been sitting at his work for 6 months now and he's been totally cool about it. His work is flawless and I know he has been extremely busy. He was on vacation for a couple of weeks, just moved into a new house, and his job has cut off a lot of the side work he used to be able to do there. With all that said he takes on what he can and works hard to meet the continous demands of multiple people always asking for favors from him. I know Ryan will make the situation right, and I as well have his back on this. He is the only person I constantly recommend and believe me I don't like advertising for anyone. His prices by far for a lot of his work are cheaper than anyone else you might find and he is always hospitable and stands behind his work. I don't like seeing anyone's name dragged through the mud when it can be solved in other ways. Like you said Kevin, you're a mechanic also, crap breaks and things don't always go the way you want them to. I know that first hand better than anyone else...
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Tell ya what "Bliggida," if Ryan rips you off, then I will GIVE you the 01 LS1 that I'm selling.
You're about to see that this entire board is going to go against your bad statements of Ryan. Just an FYI.
scott
You're about to see that this entire board is going to go against your bad statements of Ryan. Just an FYI.
scott
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Originally posted by SweetPeaV8
Tell ya what "Bliggida," if Ryan rips you off, then I will GIVE you the 01 LS1 that I'm selling.
You're about to see that this entire board is going to go against your bad statements of Ryan. Just an FYI.
scott
Tell ya what "Bliggida," if Ryan rips you off, then I will GIVE you the 01 LS1 that I'm selling.
You're about to see that this entire board is going to go against your bad statements of Ryan. Just an FYI.
scott
I'm sure this can be worked out.
Ryan
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first off i was gone on vacation for 2 weeks and family here in my house for 1 month,so i was very busy with them. i have talked to your dad numerous times about the a/c he was supposed to call me last friday but i never heard from him. if he cant get ahold of me at work it probably for a reason either i am on a test drive or away from my stall. its not my fault if they dont give me any messages, why is it when anyone else calls they get ahold of me? no one leaves messages for me b/c i never get them. i did the work on the a/c as requested as well, did i not retrofit it? i told you from the get go that the a/c lines on those year vehicles seize up and get stripped didnt i? so when i tried to swap the dryer geeee what happened it stripped so i changed the whole a/c line for you no extra charge. so i waited for you to get the line for about a week. once i got the line i installed it for you as well which was not in the original estimate or agreement but i did it for you free. what esle did i say when i got the a/c line from you it wil probably leak b/c of the seals they gave in it are not the correct seals for it, well when i serviced it what happened it leaked!!!
i see no reason for you to come on here and accuse me of ripping you off!! if you want your lousy $50 for the a/c you can have it even though i went out of my way to help you out on the deal!!!poeple like you drive techs like myself for this work becuse of this crap!its not like i was trying to rip you off man its $50!!!!
ask ANYONE they will have nothig bad to say about my work or the way i do it!!
i see no reason for you to come on here and accuse me of ripping you off!! if you want your lousy $50 for the a/c you can have it even though i went out of my way to help you out on the deal!!!poeple like you drive techs like myself for this work becuse of this crap!its not like i was trying to rip you off man its $50!!!!
ask ANYONE they will have nothig bad to say about my work or the way i do it!!
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Not knowing any of the parties involved and only getting my information from the above posts; one comment stands out:
To me it doesn't matter if it's $5 or $500, I don't think it was the amount that set Bliggida off? Seems to me like both of you have really good points, you shoudl just sit down and try to find an agreement that both of you can agree on.
But what do I know, I'm from Mass
-Marc-
Not like i was trying to rip you off man its $50!!!!
But what do I know, I'm from Mass
-Marc-
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Cool. More stuff to talk about at the meet saturday.
Im not reading through all of this he said she said stuff, but settle it off line and let us know how it turns out.
Just remember the old phrase:
"burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me."
Im not reading through all of this he said she said stuff, but settle it off line and let us know how it turns out.
Just remember the old phrase:
"burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me."
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Do any of you guys know how LONG this has been going on? Bliggida told me about this six weeks ago and that it wasn't going well. Ryan, you said "why is it that when anyone else calls they get ahold of me?" I can testify to that being an untruth. I gave up on giving you my car to do a tranny and TC for the reason that you NEVER returned my phone calls. This isn't a RYAN bashing but when you stiff someone for ANY amount of money it's still wrong. My opinion is that because it was "just" $50 that you didn't feel it was "worth your time" to finish the job in a timely manner. You said you did some of the work for FREE? And that's Bliggida's fault? Because you were so kind hearted he should be a good boy and wait another six weeks for the job to get done? Please. And, Scott, "be prepared to eat your God**** words?" Dude, are you licking his ***** daily or what? Bliggida posted his side of a story after MANY weeks of trying to handle it outside of this site. Don't beat him down for taking another course of action.
I don't think Ryan's ability to do a GREAT job on an automobile is in question. He has quite a few people to back him on that. Not to mention a car that speaks for itself. The problem is that a man paid him for services he hasn't received. Vacation? Family in town? Those are excuses. Some of us don't by the bullsh*t. JMO.
I don't think Ryan's ability to do a GREAT job on an automobile is in question. He has quite a few people to back him on that. Not to mention a car that speaks for itself. The problem is that a man paid him for services he hasn't received. Vacation? Family in town? Those are excuses. Some of us don't by the bullsh*t. JMO.
Last edited by Slo-ride; Jun 12, 2003 at 06:17 PM.
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Originally posted by Slo-ride
The problem is that a man paid him for services he hasn't received. Vacation? Family in town? Those are excuses. Some of us don't by the bullsh*t. JMO.
The problem is that a man paid him for services he hasn't received. Vacation? Family in town? Those are excuses. Some of us don't by the bullsh*t. JMO.
you can have $50 back for it and go pay someone else to do it b/c this is rediculous and stupid!
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Ryan, why not just finish the work? You have a good reputation. Finish the job and put this behind you. You accepted payment and agreed to the work. Backing out now isn't going to make you look any better. Finishing the job is what I would think you would want to do. Schedule it, fix it, and wash your hands of it. It's the RIGHT thing to do.
