WARNING!.....

STAY AWAY FROM SPEED INC AS FAR AS YOU CAN......

i had nothing against tom or larry from the start.....

they always had time to discuss things and let me know whats goin on until they installed my heads and cam.....

so i go to see my car and the horror started.... its a good thing i have a vizage body kit because they nicely place it on the jack and broke the seals and scratched the F U C K out of it...
but that was just the start....


-Half of your body kit was broken off the car and laying on the ground-


then i get the car back and it ticks more then normal, and the oil pressure was a little lower but i just figured it was normal from an slp ported oil pump.


-You will get more valvetrain noise after a cam install. Your oil pressure was the same before and after the install.-


then i got an ses light which they said was normal after a cam swap i was gonna autotap it but oh guess what my pcm wouldnt allow me to connect after they tuned it.... and also i was loosing power on my battery laptop cuz i couldnt plug it in into the ciggerte lighters which they made inoperable as well as my nitrous switches....


- We fixed your shifter for free. I'm not suprised that your hack wiring didn't work afterwords. Ever hear of solder and heat shrink tubing? Twisting wires together is not acceptable 'wiring'. Also, I thought it was a nice touch that your neon light wiring was attached to the suspension-

so then 60 miles later after light driving and no Nittrous i started hearing a knocking noise that was even louder then when i got it back...


-There was no knocking noise when you left. Your car spun a bearing plain and simple. Nothing that we did was the cause of your engine failure.-



so i called them and took it in first thing in the morning and they said they would take it apart and look at it......later that day i stopped by and my car hasnt been touched, so then some speed inc techs came out and listened to it and said that it was the bottom end and it looked like a spun bearing.....


- We said we would diagnose the problem. After listening to the engine run we knew what the problem was and disassembly was not necessary for diagnosis.-


ok so worst comes to worst my motor was taken apart and inspected by a well known engine shop and they said something mettalic defintly got into it....i also had many others look at it and they said that something definetly got into it...


-That last statement makes absolutely no sense. Can you think of anything metallic that we would purposely (or not) get in your engine? Not to mention, anything that is in the engine has to get past the oil filter before it reaches the bearings. There was no contamination, but IF there was, and IF it made it past the filter, bearings are tri metal and designed for embedability. It is impossible for 'metal contamination' to cause a spun bearing. The only thing that will cause a spun bearing is over revving and a lack of lubrication. My guess is your engine went because of your driving style and lack of proper maintenance.-

You try and make it seem like your car came into our shop in perfect condition. Some low mileage unabused virgin car. Truth of the matter is, the car was hacked more than any other 4th gen I've ever seen. Body kit broken and hanging on the ground, so much wiring, LED's, neons, etc, that I can't believe you never had to use your fire extinguisher. When we dissasembled the car for the cam, half the bolts were missing, and the other half were falling out. You laughed when we told you about it. The motor that you then installed in your car from a good running vehicle that you inspected, blew up within a week of YOU installing it. Does that say anything about the quality of YOUR work, and driving style? I saw you launch your car in reverse in front of our shop when you tried to race your friend. You abuse the hell out of your car and then blame the results on us.

It's time to grow up and take responsibility for your own actions.

-Jim


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ok wtf r u talking bout wiring for...there are no open wires anywhere in the vehicle...when u run wires of course they will be seen once u start opening **** up...

and your comment about the body kit...the only part that was broken was the front everything else was mint until your hack bums that work there got a hold of it...

and wtf are u talking about me launching in reverse...that makes no sense at all....

and the cam noise i understand...but mine was at least three times louder then any other one of my buddies....and yes they have cams in their cars a well....that comment is their for speed inc cuz they would prob go out and say im stupid and tell me that their cars prob dont have cams....

and yes my car is a low mileage ls1 that SPEED INC ****ED THE **** OUT OF....even your own damn customers saw it and agree with me

and the thing that got into the bearing was a result of your professional hack job..... you motherfawkers even nicked my crank...there were gauges taken out of the crank that clearly line up when u missed hacking my timing gear on....

 

It's a waste of my time trying to reason with someone that has no automotive knowledge.

You hacked and abused your car. End of story.

-Jim

 

actually u hacked and abused it for me....

everyone knows my car doesnt see snow and rain unless i get caught up in it..... my car went to the track once when it was stock....yup theres abuse right there.....

the only one without automotive knowledge around here is SPEED INC....

come on some of the stuff u guys did is common sense...and its a result of u guys overbooking and rushing thru everything and then blowing yourselves on customer service.....

u know i understood some **** but u guys just went too far.....

 

Oil contamination can not throw a bearing (in all my years I've NEVER seen this). Over-revving your engine can and will, though.

stik6shift98, so how's your second engine?

 

Now see...I just find this downright amusing.

Stik, your car has a world renound reputation for being hacked. Word of you car spreads faster than the car moves down the street. I knew this months ago, and I had never even seen it with the exception of pics you had posted.


I see that Jim replied to this, so I'm going to assume he's the tech that worked on the car. One word I wouldn't associate with him, or anyone else in that shop, is "hack". I have seen some unbelievable customer cars come out of that shop, let alone Jims car, Larry's car, and the other cars that call Speed Inc home.

I suggest you check yourself before you start slamming people. Especially people that know a whole lot more about working on these cars than you do.

 

Ive never had any problems with Speed Inc personally..

And it doesnt really sound like its their fault.. Didnt they offer to help you out to get it fixed?

During all that time you spent post whoring it up.. didnt you learn anything about why a bearing would spin???

I almost spun a bearing in my 98.. wanna know why? because the 98 pumps were JUNK.. I had a head and cam done too.. was it the guys fault who did the work? no.. it was the oil pump..

Over revving, oil consumption, low oil pressue is what causes spun bearings.. sounds to me either it was your fault, or your pump was going bad, or you were low on oil at the time.. which one was it?

 

I know the person who fixes many of these problems of their cars, so i know that many mistakes have been made because of error on their part, and many times, their response has been, "oh....I F**ked up?"

On a personal note, everytime Speed Inc has addressed one of my problems on this board, I get a sarcastic comment and they attempt to make me feel stupid, all the while they still have the facts wrong.

Like I said before, I wish this was a reliable speed shop, because they have great prices and location for me, but i'm dissappointed with the level of customer service I have received.

 

There are 3 cars from here in the Ft. Wayne area that have also had their fare share of problems with them. They seem to be willing to make things right, but some of the things that were done in the first place concern me.

 

Wheelman, I will resond to your PM ... sorry I didnt see it sooner

 

Jon, I have sent U a PM before but u still don't have the facts right. First of all, I have only BOUGHT parts from u, I have never had anything installed by u for the prior mentioned reasons. Second of all, My car is hardly a "High Performance Modified Car" It has seen the track twice, and it is pretty much daily driven. I also wouldn't consider it "slander" because I have talked to a person who works on SPEED INC cars, therefore, they are not "lies". I find u saying parts are "never" bad to be some what ignorant. As I mentioned before, I work in retail and I have seen parts mis-machined or even mis-packaged. It is a rarity, but it DOES happen. I have had all my parts professionally installed, and they have agreed with me on many of the problems.

I have tried to talk to with ur company through phone calls, but i get a run around of "I'm not sure" and "I don't knows". I was lied to about the quality of my parts, but what do I know about my consumer rights on the legalities of my purchase. The reason I haven't posted like this until recently is because i do understand mistakes happen, so i cut the company some slack and tried to work things about, but I'm frusturated about the lack of support I am receiving.

 

Wow.......I'm glad I do my own engine work on my own car!

 

Ok, I wasn't gonna get into this but some of this stuff needs to be cleared up. First of all I did the work on stik98s car(with the second motor), prior to his car I've done 2 cam installs and 1 heads and cam install on ls1's, I'm sure that pails in comparison to how many you guys have done BUT all of the cars run awesome and I can have the owners attest to that. The second motor was never even driven around the block once it was installed, the guy sold it to us sold it with a spun main(not known at the time it was bought) so I could hardly see how that'd be called "a well running motor" the moment the car was started the motor was knocking, it wasn't a cause of him beating on the car or improper install. I had the pleasure of pulling everything off the original blown motor and putting it on the 2 motor, and I can see that the work done on the original was sloppy, the motor looked like it had been thrown together with no care. One of the arp stud had the hex slot rounded with the actual tip of the hex tool broken off into it, last time I checked you only needed to tighten the studs slightly not much past finger tight, I don't want to know how much they were torqued to round off and break the head off the hex tool. With the stud bottomed out overtorquing can easily cause the block to crack, espceially if there is any bit coolant in the holes. Another thing I noticed was that the crank timing gear looked like it was hammered on with a screw driver, it had gouges in it that were quite deep. As well the crank snout was gouged severly, in several spots, you guys were talked to about it and replied that it was normal from taking off the pulley BUT these gouges weren't normal they again looked as if they were from hammering of a screw driver into the snout. I believe stik98 also asked you how to pull the asp pulley and you told him you need a lot of heat, a hammer, and a crow bar. That is the stupidist thing I've ever heard, using a crowbar on the pulley you run the risk of bending the crank, could that cause a bearing to go???I don't think I need to answer that one. Also the oil pump had been gouged as well. As for the car being a fire hazard I don't see how you could come up with that, I saw the wiring and it was not well tucked away however there were no exposed wires, which doesn't pose a fire hazard. As for the ground effects, who was it that lifted the car on the side skirts??????Need I say more. There were tons of little things too, like using electric tape as a wire loom placed under the valve cover???? Also almost none of the bolts on the motor were torqued to spec, everything was put on with an ungodly amount of torque, literally almost every bolt was tightened to the point were a breaker bar was needed to loosen them. You guys were also asked if you torqued everything to spec, your reply was I tighten the bolts to spec than need to be tightened to spec, sorry but that is garbage there are torque specs for a reason and EVERY bolt down to the header bolts should be tightened to them. Also I don't know how someone can jump to the assumption that a car was beat on when they have never seen the guy drive it, you guys are really showing poor morals here. When something goes wrong with a customers car do you always go and start belligerently accusing them of things you know nothing of? I've known stik98 for quite a while and he babies the **** out of his car, I have seen him get on it only a hand full of times anybody he knows will back me up on that. Also when I pulled the heads off the first motor, not one of the pistons had a nick in it so I hardly think the motor was over-revved but you guys are the experts right. Anybody that wants to see what speed inc did to the parts I have mentioned is more then welcome to come see them, I have every part saved. Personally if it was me and that was what you guys did to my car you would have a law suit on your hands. I've also forgot that the internals were looked at by not one or two but three engine builders two of which are previlant in ls1s and they concurred that the bearing went premature and was most likely due to the fact something got in the oil. Tell me why not one of the other bearings showed any signs of abuse, I don't give a hell what the bearing are made of. They are soft metal and are ment to hold metal particles should they reach it, but nothing big. I wonder how metal would get into the oil, hmmm lets think about it when you beat parts on with a screwdriver, gouging the hell out of them, is it possible metal got in the oil??? There's more i have to say but can't remember, this post has gotten to long I'm sure it will come back to me

 

Ok now IM gonna have to reply to this bull****, STKSHT98, is a real piece of work. First you come off saying that Speed Inc is the best shop in the world, then you go off and get "sponsored" from HPA, but then quickly realized that you were still getting RAPED on pricing, so you decide to jump ship AGAIN and go back on your hand and knees to Speed Inc. (something to the extent of I'm 17 years old, I didn't know any better, I didnt realize what I was doing, also not to mention your lil comment about Larry's sister) B.T.W. did you ever mention that you went and bought your stuff from another company and had Speed Inc. install them?? Personally I would have told you to get bent after you started talking s_hit about Speed Inc. because you thought you were a big shot cause you were getting "sponsored." But lucky for you Tom and Larry don't hold grudges because they are running a buisness and would rather uphold there name as "BEING THE BEST" But now since YOU f u c k e_d up your car you come on here and start complaining saying their the reason why your motor blew????? Well maybe you need to look at the facts and think that this PROBABLY contributed to it.....

A. YOU CAN'T DRIVE YOUR CAR FOR S_HIT!

B. YOU BEAT THE **** OUT OF YOUR CAR EVERY CHANCE YOU HAD. (oh wait, don't believe me, Here is a post from another board from yours truely)

http://f-bodytech.com/forum/showthre...=&threadid=165

But I thought you said YOU NEVER BEAT ON THE CAR?? So I guess "SPRAYING THAT BITCH" probably didn't contribute on you spinning a bearing on the car. Oh look here's more proof that you don't beat on your car ....

http://f-bodytech.com/forum/showthre...s=&threadid=58

7 bottles huh??? and I'm sure that your NOS bottle is a 15lber. So maybe its me, but last time I checked nitrous does have an effect on your cars motor sooner or later, so maybe you were a low mileage LS1, but that doesnt mean **** when you cant keep your finger off the trigger. So next time learn what your doing, YOU caused your motor to blow, take it as a lesson learned and quit trying to point the finger.

Need to find someone to blame for my own dumbass mistakes RACING

 

I dunno about speed Inc, I just wish I could Find out the truth about them. First of all I called them 2 months ago and left a message about getting my car dyno tuned and getting some SFCs welded in, And possibly even letting them build my stroker. Had to leave a message and the call was never returned, So I tried calling again and the guy I got didnt know anything. Mabye he was just an offive slave or somthing but I would think you would employ guys with a little bit of knowledge. Basicly the picture I got is unless you are gonna go in there with 10k and say build me a badass motor, they are gonna let that guy talk to you, which kinda pissed me off. So, I just built my own stroker and Im gonna let Madz tune it.

Now, In speed INCs defence I have seen some very badass cars come out of there, And I've watched INTMD8's cars at the track and they are badass, I just wanna know why their coustomer service is so bad.

 

Brad-

1) FALSE STATEMENT -- there are no crowbars here.....
www.ls1speed.com/pictures/DSC00734.jpg

2) FALSE STATEMENT -- I seem to remember Henry and Larry talking on a Saturday when you were in KY having problems with the taking the engine out. The car was test drove ...no knocking at the time of removal. Once installed it developed problems? Possibly a faulty installation?

The car was fully tested here before leaving, dyno tuned and all. Left with no issues other than the wiring issue in the consol that we were unaware of. As stated by others on this thread and on other boards --- the car was not babied.

Bottom line is that this thread is going to end soon. We already posted in defense, but to have to defend ourselves over totally untrue posts is unecessary. Your posts seem to border more on poor morals than any of ours have. I don't see the need the have an ongoing conversation with what appears to be a brick wall.

Dave- We return our messages, plenty of times I leave messages back or the # is unclear in the message. There is no reson why would refuse business.