Unless he's hauling around an elephant, that Camaro rearend isn't any heavier than that Sonoma.

It has just as much (if not MORE) power.

Is he suppose to drink the water?

A.S.R. or traction control is the problem.

 

Well lets see, a Sonoma (2003) 2.2L weighs in at 3,042. So already its lighter than his Camaro, so obviously the rear is lighter, but we'll go one step further and do the math.
Front to rear weight distribution in the Sonoma is 57 front/ 43 rear. So 43% of 3,042 pounds is 1,308.06 pounds on the rear tires. It also came with 120 horsepower and anywhere from a 3.08 to a 4.10 rear gear ratio, and a So it's multiplied torque rating could be as high as 492.

So we look at the Camaro 3.4L. With a 3,333 pounds. And a 55/45 weight distribution, that figures to 1,778.15 pounds over the rear end. Almost 250 pounds more in the rear. And as for power. The 3.8L kicks out 200 horsepower and a 3.42 gear for his auto. So that's 200x3.42 = 684. You do that math that works out to having a favor or roughly 45 more horsepower. But remember 250 pounds more weight.

As for the water, no he's not suppose to drink it. You see, in drag racing, it is common place to perform a powerbrake and warm the tires so that they stick better for traction. This is probably the most noteable place powerbraking is done in all of racing. In order to perform a powerbrake at the drag strip, often called a "burnout" there is a burnout box or also called a waterbox. It is called this because it has water in it. They use water to lessen the shock load to the drivetrain when performing a burnout, because with bigger, wider tires = slicks, it is much harder to break them loose and spin them at a speed fast enough to properly warm them up. The waters co-efficient helps to get the tires spinning when they could other wise not perform a burnout with dry asphalt.

I assumed that You, and he were aware what water is used for since the both of You are performance minded, and would assume that anyone here asking how to do a powerbrake, or why they can't do one would want to know because they are interested in performance. And would probably have seen a burnout performed at the drag strip before, and used water when it was done.

OR, you would inherently know that since you drive on the street's durning inclement weather, that when the streets are wet (from rain - water droplets from the sky) it is much easier to get the tires to spin. There again, the co-effecient of water is what makes this possible.
On a side note, when water causes a vehicle to spin it's tires or skid them due to the co-efficient of water on the road, and that car hits an inanimate object or other vehicle we call this an "accident" because no one was purposely trying to wreck his car, or hurt another person. Just thought I'd throw that one out there since we're on the subject and you weren't as informed as I had expected.

In summation...
Unless he's hauling around an elephant, that Camaro rearend isn't any heavier than that Sonoma. No, not quite an elephant, but 250 pounds is significant.

It has just as much (if not MORE) power. If you do the math the Sonoma is actually putting more power to the ground in respects to the amount of weight over the rear tires than the Camaro. So no, its not putting more power to the ground.

Is he suppose to drink the water? No, its used for performing a burnout (properly)

A.S.R. or traction control is the problem. Could be, but 200 horsepower and a heavy rear end (and an automatic transmission with a conservative stall) don't help to make a burnout on dry pavement easy. Could simply need more power.


By the Blig.
maybe I know what I'm talking about???

 

Damn Blig, you take to much time and effort in making a person look wrong!!

 

ummm.....yeah, i think im just gonna not powerbrake my car any. lol. didnt plan to anyways, just wanted to know why it wouldnt. thanks for the info fellas!

 

All that work for nothing. Darn! Ibanez6rg I think you're right.
I'm sad, I know.

 

here's some things you have to consider.

what gears do you have? 3.08s? The gear ratio there is not helping you put the power to the ground to do things like powerbraking.

what size tires? wider the tire, the harder it will be.

how hard are you pressing the brakes when you're trying to power brake? don't press the brakes all the way down, just hold them slightly so the car doesn't move.

press the gas! the rev limiter is there for a reason, so you're not gonna blow the engine (hopefully )



it's quite easy though, if you have a decent 3.8 and even if it has 3.08s, you should be able to power brake no problem. Try throwing the car in 1st then doing it.

 

Bliggida,

For the sake of argument (like I need to), I think you need to go back to Physics class and check your spec numbers on make and models.

I'll leave it that.....

 

Um, no actually I obtained all my info from Carpoint.com, an MSN based website. Those specs are completely accurate and reliable.

How about you just leave it at the fact that you got punk'd, and acknowledge that I do know what I am talking about.

or do I need to embaress you again?

My math is off? Then you check it!!!
1) 43% of 3,042 pounds is 1,308.06 pounds
2) 120 horsepower and anywhere from a 3.08 to a 4.10 rear gear ratio, and a So it's multiplied torque rating could be as high as 492
What is 120x4.10???
3) 45% of 3,333 pounds figures to 1,778.15 pounds
4)200x3.42 = 684
If anyone of those calculations are incorrect then you have some credibility, if not, shuddup!

I was right you were wrong, leave it alone. If you play with the big dogs you're gonna get bit.

 

i have a 96 3.8l A4 w/ 120,000 miles on it, 3.42 gears, 4 wheel disc, limited slip, 17x9 painted SS rims, and 1 month old 275/40 yokohoma AVS ES-100 tires and i can do a 2 tire burnout fine. that's with progressive throttle or WOT.
i had the one wheel burnout blues untill i swaped the whole axle out

 

man thats sad to hear your 3.8 cant spin the tires, when mine was stock i could spin the open diffy, then i got the lsd with 3.42 in the rear and spun both, maybe your not doing it right?? try pushing down the brake and mashing the gas dont ease it on, sheesh my 91 gmc 4x4 jimmy can burn tire powerbraking, and its a piece of crap with over 200.000 miles and no power

 

....i left a 75 foot black mark today
I hit the gas, and it spun for a second, then i hit the brakes, then got off them really fast and it just sat there......smoke rollin. I was also in 1st gear. hahah thanks fellas.

 

Ok one thing, i was just reading this tread, and i think i will put my .02 in. For starters Bliggida you need to stop acting like an ***. Ok good for you, you came up with some good info...but for sure you dont need to sit there and act all high and mighty about it. And i dont think any of us got "punk'd" as you would like to call it.
Anyways yeah of course you are the great camaro genius

Anyways my 3.4 L would powerbrake, but it helped out alot when the tires were damp to almost wet. It is a waste of money in my opinion if you are just doing it to do it.

 

Yeah gears would effect this a lot. If you have 3.08's, its understandable.

Im my old 96 Camaro (3.8, auto) it had 3.08 gears, and some days it would peel out and others, it wouldnt do a damn thing. and yes...I was only leaving one tire track

 

Being right...and knowing it. Does not make me an ***. Neither does taking the time to explain to someone why their negative opinion of my data is inaccurate and uncalled for when they didn't bother to check it out for themselves.
There are times I am wrong, this is not one of them. Just because in one particular instance I know I'm right about the information I supply does not justify my acting high and mighty. Whether I am better than anyone else is up to God and God alone. Its His place to judge me, not you.
Lastly, I never proclaimed that I was the great Camaro genius, nor do I imply such a behavior. I do spend a lot of time in study on the F-body, and from that I have picked up quite a few helpful things.
Knowledge does not equate my being concieted.

 

Well i am glad you know your stuff, and i appreciate it, i just think you should check the ego at the door. I am with you on studying f-bodies also and want to know as much as possible. Just don't get to cought up on yourself and your knowledge, i was reading this thread and happend to see how you were acting and it pissed me off. Thats why i said what i said. Thanks