I have had a lot of experience with DSM'S. My brother has a 95 Talon TSI front wheel drive 5 speed. When He first got it bone stock, and I just had a CAI, we raced. He was even with me till about 60 then I put about 3 cars on him. After he put a 3 inch exhaust, intake, boost controler, Evo3 16g on it at 15 psi its a totally different story. I put a magnaflow catback also and he would pull me about 2 cars from a stop, and thats with fwd. I do wish it was AWD though. I recently sold my transam but he still has the talon and I really like it alot. It feels very close to the way v8's pull, cause it has a lot of tourque. He is now about to put injectors, bigger intercooler, tuning, and hes gonna crank the boost up to aroung 20-22. It should be a fast little street car then. If that guy has a few things done you could be in some serious trouble. Let us know how it goes. If you get a good launch you might be able to hold him off.

 

Dude, I was agreeing with you.

 

Yea I know ... It jsut didnt come across that way in my post did it? Hahah I knew what you meant, I just figured I'd post about them.

And that was the first story of a stock DSM sticking with a stock LT1 car I have ever heard.

 

3 cars is not exactly stickin with me. But them 3 cars went bye bye after he had just a few mods.

 

Theres a pink 96? auto eclipse that looked like that gay *** car in 2 fast 2 furious with like 10k in body mods. Get this 18.2 at 85mph in the 1/4. My old 3.4 camaro is faster than that.

 

That eclipse must have been a non turbo. A well triven turbo eclipse is a high 14 low 15 second car. There are some people one this board that really have no clue how easy it is to make a DSM fast. All it takes is a boost controller and a few other cheap little things to run a solid 13 second pass. Put a bigger turbo for about $500 bucks and you can go solidly into 12's or faster with a 2nd generation. The older ones can do 12's fairly easy with the stock turbo. Some of you guys are really underestimating this car, your sounding like a bunch of mustang guys around town that my brother has embarrased in his "4 cylinder". To give some of yall a reference, my brother ran a 13.89@102 with just a 3 inch turboback exhaust, intake, fuel pump, boost controller at 16psi, and good tires. Thats only about $700 in mods. Now that he has the bigger turbo im sure its .5 seconds faster atleast only at 15 psi. Now I know thats not fast by any means. But it is surely fast enough to give a lot of LT-1's a good run.

 

I dont underestimate them at all. I use caution around all of them, eyeing them down for tell tell signs of modding. There one here that tried to race me on the street but i declined cuz i saw him at the track the week prior and he hit 10.8 at 138. I just hate the ones that put 5k into the exterior, reducing the weight with carbon fiber but adding the weight with 12'' subs with just a fart can and calling it fast.

 

10.8 is a fast street talon, I am still into the sport comp scene and my friend has a 95 TSI AWD Big 16g turbo, 3inch turbo back exhaust, CAI, Front mount Intercooler and 650cc injectors Dyno duned it put down 300hp to the wheels and 314 torque. Went 12.3 or better If I don't recall. Cutting 1.9 or 1.8 60 ft times. They are fast, and cheap to modd. BUT they are always breaking.

 

Ok I got at work and talked to the guy and the race was on. waited till break then about half of my co-workers followed us out and one got out and lined us up. I had a pretty good launch had to feather the throttle threw it but i pulled about 1/2 car by second. then once i hit second i just kept pulling and pulling. by 100 about a 1/4 mile I had atleast one bus length on him. I pulled off and checked out his car and he said something about the bolt in his alternator loosening and doing something with the wastegate. he said he wasnt getting any boost. I dunno if he was exaggerating on the no boost part or what. Dont know much about turbo cars. So let me no what u think we are probably going to race again in a couple days.

 

That seems to be the typical ricer excuse. Ive heard it a few times with SRT-4's. But you beat him like i thought you would. Nice kill.

 

Even if they are fast, they still look gay.

And nice kill.

Like said: Most are slow. Give them to someone other than a rice boy though who knows how to mod a car, and its going to be pretty mean for a turbo 4

 

Yea that sounded about right for the stock turbo at near stock boost. If he plans on upgrading the turbo dont expect to pull on him. I know a lot of people think that DSM'S break alot but thats really not how its been for my brothers car. Hes had it for 2 years now and he just replaced the stock clutch(bigger turbo), and thermostat. Thats it. Good run though keep modding so you can beat him if he upgrades.

 

Yeah nice run, if he was stock and only boosting 8 to 12 psi its only a LOW 15 high14 car. All they need is injectors and and a fuel pump and they can spike 18 and hold 16 to redline. Then you see a 14.0 to 13.7 pending traction... AWD talons own though.... An AWD on 16 psi is Well into the 13s with just a boost controler and injectors... I dont' know about how tough a camaros bottom end is but I saw a Talon with stock inturnal put down 390 to the wheels...

 

I believe the stock turbo went out and he says the turbo in it can go to 26 psi but he runs it at 16 psi

 

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't lumped into the "doesn't know much about DSMs" crowd. I've owned three 92's Eclipses, an 89 Mirage turbo, a 91 Galant VR4, a 96 Spyder GST, and two Stealths.

When I started with DSMs over 14 years ago, a 13 sec. car was fast and you were amazing if you ran in the 12s. 11s were flat legendary. Now the top 100 cars run 10.80s or quicker.

People always say that they're unreliable and that's not totally true. They usually break due to bad driving (abusive), skipped maintenance (most of 'em are over 15 years old), and finally just too much power. Unlike domestics, when something breaks you really don't have any choices of upgraded parts. You either replace it with stock or try to get something custom made. I think they hold up pretty well at double their intended horsepower level.

Anyway, it sounds like the car in this story just doesn't realize what "fast" is and is making excuses. It happens all the time, when someone gets a car thats quicker than their last one, they assume they're now "fast." FWIW, my convertible Eclipse (turbo, automatic) ran 10.5 @ 71 in the 1/8th while my Grand Marquis ran 9.9 @ 74. Talk about funny!