I disagree. A stage 1 SRT4 should be running mid 13's @104-105. Hell, I'm going 13.9@101 bone stock.

The AVERAGE C5 does not trap 110. I don't know what planet you're getting that number by, but I'm going by the C5's I've actually raced. How many C5's have you run in an SRT-4?

 

I've seen a lot more 105-106 mph traps from a C5 than 110+.

 

And a stock C5 should be running high 12s at 110ish. Most SRT-4s with the Stage 1 run high 13s at 103ish.

 

 

I have raced a few in something much slower than a M6 C5 and I spanked them in my Lightning. Now they are hunting C5's...not the pig auto's with 2.73, but the M6 C5's...**** is getting thick around here.

 

Sounds like you met up against a few guys who flat out can't drive. An SRT-4 would put up a good fight for an L, and should stay dead even or better from a roll. I'll gladly run you in mine and post the video.

Regarding the **** getting thick, I was referring to a Stage 1 SRT-4 not being that far behind, not a stock SRT-4.

 

I raced a 2004 SRT-4. He ran a 14.5's@99 vs my 13.90@102. He got it down to 14.1's@99 driving the ***** off it, but I also got my Lightning down to 13.5's@102 the same night just by working on my 60'. Could he have ran better given the track and weather, sure, but so would my Lightning.

The only thing a SRT-4 being stock could even hope for is we start from 120 MPH or faster.

You would need a Stage I to stay with my Lightning. But I think it would only be fair that I "Stage I" my Lightning then..if there is such a thing...

 

I've been at the track on nights where L's were running 13.6@102. I was going 13.9@101. 14.1@99 is not driving the ***** off of an SRT-4. Even the clowns at Car and Driver went. 13.8@102, faster than myself.

Every L I've raced from a roll is pretty much dead even, with me pulling away eventually as aerodynamics favor me.

 

Do you go 13.9@101 every night? Weather has no effect on you? Traction has no effect on you?

For all you know, this guys might run a 13.7@102 at your track. To assume that he was not driving his car to full potential is an assumption that you have no way of proving. Way to many variables just to see a ET/MPH and make that call. For all you know, my Lightning might run a 13.2@104 at your track?

 

Pretty much, yeah. The PCM adjusts its tune based on weather. I see anywhere from 3-4 psi more in the summer than in winter. The car is designed to make the same power regardless of ambient temps. Therefore, I can eliminate that variable. The only major one left is the driver. And I can state that he was not driving it to his potential with a fairly high degree of confidence.

And yes, I do go 13.9 pretty much every night I'm at the track. Not on every run (I may botch a launch here and there, I'm certainly not perfect), but many I do.

 

Interesting you say this here, but over on SRTforums you said:

So are you agreeing with me now that a good driver could keep up with you from a roll? (don't give me that 120+ ****, I'm talking about a 20mph roll)

 

Let me start off by saying that I know absolutely nothing about the srt4. With that said, your post I'm quoting is completely the opposite of how a turbo car responds to weather. In the winter, the cold air cools your intercooler much better than hot summer air. In the winter time, my Z has a hard time staying below 18 psi even with the boost controller set to 15 psi. In the summer, I'm hard pressed to hit 18 psi no matter the boost controller setting. I simply can't understand how you gain boost in the summer?? It's unheard of. In 82 degree heat my car made 322 rwhp. In 57 degrees, it made 341 rwhp. I don't see anyway that PCM tuning can make your intercooler as efficient in 90 degree weather as it is in 40 degree weather? What am I missing?

I'm not calling bs on you or anything stupid like that, but I've owned 2 sc'd vettes, 2 twin turbo supras, 2 turbo z's, a 99 L, and a sc'd frontier....so I have lot's of experience with forced induction....and everything I've experienced is the exact opposite of what you said.

Jason

 

And that's why everything following this sentance here does not apply. Like I said, the PCM adjusts the tune for the weather. Hot and sticky? The PCM gives you more boost, to make the same level of power that it would with cooler, more dense air. Cold outside? PCM limits boost. In winter I see spikes of 12-13 psi at the most. In the summer, I see spikes to 17psi.

Sound backwards? Yeah, because my Mustang gains boost as it gets colder too. But my Mustang does not have a PCM controlling boost levels like the SRT-4 does.

P.S. - the stock intercooler will support over 450whp, so the efficiency doesn't really change anything at stock power levels.

 

That makes more sense. Your PCM is basically a hands off boost controller. What doesn't make a lot of sense is that it's limiting your boost in the winter....since the air is cooler and the intercooler is being cooled better, you'll get more hp from your boost than you will in the summer (your charge is going to be much cooler in the winter)....so limiting it doesn't make sense unless the injectors can't provide enough fuel for the extra power....like me....I detonate in the winter but not summer (a fuel issue, not a heat one) In turn, raising the boost in the summer would lend itself more to detonation...although it makes sense to do so since power is down due to heat.

I don't think I worded the intercooler thing right. What I was getting at is that 40 degree air is going to cool your IC much better than 90 degree air and, in turn, make more power regardless of the size, volume or efficiency of your IC.

Jason

 

Yes, I beating him so easily was I figure the driver...but good driver or not, I still would have went around him, just not so easily.