So, what do these new Celicas have in them ? Took me to 80 to pull one ...
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I'm gonna have to disagree with some of you guys.
Back when I ran 13.5's at 102 a friend of ours had a 99 Celica GTS with a couple of the TRD goodies. If we went from a 45 mph roll he would put a car on me up to 90 mph and by 120 i'd be maybe a car in front... not slow at all. He ran 14.3's at 101.
Also, in PR the Matrix' are running 14.4-14.5's with TRD bolt-ons only at 96-98 mph.
My car only ran 96-97 mph in stock trim in Puerto Rico (weather conditions hurt N/A cars). Would you be surprised if a Matrix outran a T/A? Or new GT? It happens all the time down here. 99+ GT's run anything from 96-99 mph, depending on the tranny.
I guess being stock LT1 fast is slow for some people... I think it's plenty fast for 1.8 liters. And let's not even go into the handling/braking factor..
Back when I ran 13.5's at 102 a friend of ours had a 99 Celica GTS with a couple of the TRD goodies. If we went from a 45 mph roll he would put a car on me up to 90 mph and by 120 i'd be maybe a car in front... not slow at all. He ran 14.3's at 101.
Also, in PR the Matrix' are running 14.4-14.5's with TRD bolt-ons only at 96-98 mph.
My car only ran 96-97 mph in stock trim in Puerto Rico (weather conditions hurt N/A cars). Would you be surprised if a Matrix outran a T/A? Or new GT? It happens all the time down here. 99+ GT's run anything from 96-99 mph, depending on the tranny.
I guess being stock LT1 fast is slow for some people... I think it's plenty fast for 1.8 liters. And let's not even go into the handling/braking factor..
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Originally posted by latinspice-94T/A
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of you guys.
Back when I ran 13.5's at 102 a friend of ours had a 99 Celica GTS with a couple of the TRD goodies. If we went from a 45 mph roll he would put a car on me up to 90 mph and by 120 i'd be maybe a car in front... not slow at all. He ran 14.3's at 101.
I guess being stock LT1 fast is slow for some people... I think it's plenty fast for 1.8 liters. And let's not even go into the handling/braking factor..
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of you guys.
Back when I ran 13.5's at 102 a friend of ours had a 99 Celica GTS with a couple of the TRD goodies. If we went from a 45 mph roll he would put a car on me up to 90 mph and by 120 i'd be maybe a car in front... not slow at all. He ran 14.3's at 101.
I guess being stock LT1 fast is slow for some people... I think it's plenty fast for 1.8 liters. And let's not even go into the handling/braking factor..
They are NOT LT1 fast in stock form.
They are 15.3-15.6 at 89-93 MPH cars, stock. That's for the GTS, the GT is even slower. Hardly LT1 territory(13.8-14.4 at 97-102 MPH stock.)
NEWBIE TA,
To be honest, I don't know what you were expecting from the Saturn. They are not built for speed. I'm surprised that you though you would put a hurt on the Celica with the Saturn.
Dan
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It feels a lot faster than it is, I guess.
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NEWBIE TA,
To be honest, I don't know what you were expecting from the Saturn. They are not built for speed. I'm surprised that you though you would put a hurt on the Celica with the Saturn.
Dan
NEWBIE TA,
To be honest, I don't know what you were expecting from the Saturn. They are not built for speed. I'm surprised that you though you would put a hurt on the Celica with the Saturn.
Dan
It handles well, too - I bet it would be fun w/ some mods - like a nice turbocharger !
Anyway, it makes races a challenge - and that makes things fun !
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Originally posted by KeVMaN
It does kinda make sense tho. The GTS's have what honda calls V-TEC.. variable valve timing. The car makes about 80 horsepower until 6000rpm, then it makes 180hp. Its actually a pretty good kick. If I race him in that range from a roll it actually takes some time to walk away. But racing from a stop I Pull about 10 cars instantly. Its a joke.
It does kinda make sense tho. The GTS's have what honda calls V-TEC.. variable valve timing. The car makes about 80 horsepower until 6000rpm, then it makes 180hp. Its actually a pretty good kick. If I race him in that range from a roll it actually takes some time to walk away. But racing from a stop I Pull about 10 cars instantly. Its a joke.
the celica GT is equipped with VVT-i (variable valve timing with intelligence) it basically varies the opening and closing of the valves based on the aggressiveness of driving.
honda's v-tech just switches over to a different mode of valve timing once the engine hits 5300rpm
the celica GTS have VVTL-I (variable valve timing with lift and intelligence. this is similar to honda's I-vtech. the car uses one cam profile until 6300rpm when a more aggressive cam profile engages....
a good driver, that can stay in "lift" will be able to hit a mid 14 in a stock GTS. ive seen the slips.
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Originally posted by jadedst
mmmm thats close, but not correct
the celica GT is equipped with VVT-i (variable valve timing with intelligence) it basically varies the opening and closing of the valves based on the aggressiveness of driving.
honda's v-tech just switches over to a different mode of valve timing once the engine hits 5300rpm
the celica GTS have VVTL-I (variable valve timing with lift and intelligence. this is similar to honda's I-vtech. the car uses one cam profile until 6300rpm when a more aggressive cam profile engages....
a good driver, that can stay in "lift" will be able to hit a mid 14 in a stock GTS. ive seen the slips.
mmmm thats close, but not correct
the celica GT is equipped with VVT-i (variable valve timing with intelligence) it basically varies the opening and closing of the valves based on the aggressiveness of driving.
honda's v-tech just switches over to a different mode of valve timing once the engine hits 5300rpm
the celica GTS have VVTL-I (variable valve timing with lift and intelligence. this is similar to honda's I-vtech. the car uses one cam profile until 6300rpm when a more aggressive cam profile engages....
a good driver, that can stay in "lift" will be able to hit a mid 14 in a stock GTS. ive seen the slips.
Motortrend got a 15.5@91.5 and Road and Track got 15.4@91.5 for the GTS. I guess their drivers must suck.
Dan
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Originally posted by stereomandan
"Staying in the lift" is going to shave 1 second off all the times that I've seen for the GTS? I find that hard to believe. How exactly do you "stay in lift"? You have to shift eventually and drop to a lower RPM again. You can't "stay in the lift"
Motortrend got a 15.5@91.5 and Road and Track got 15.4@91.5 for the GTS. I guess their drivers must suck.
Dan
"Staying in the lift" is going to shave 1 second off all the times that I've seen for the GTS? I find that hard to believe. How exactly do you "stay in lift"? You have to shift eventually and drop to a lower RPM again. You can't "stay in the lift"
Motortrend got a 15.5@91.5 and Road and Track got 15.4@91.5 for the GTS. I guess their drivers must suck.
Dan
to stay in "lift" the driver needs to keep it abover 6000rpm while shifting... the car has an 8300rpm redline, and it makes power all the way to it.....
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all the n/a new ceilicas i've seen run were not good from a stop. It just takes forever for them to get going and the automatic is plain pathetic. One of my freinds beat a a 2k celica gts with his 135 hp 96 accord 5 speed. He raced the car 3 different times with 2 different drivers and each time he took him by at least 1.5 cars. My old v6 camaro was faster than any of the stock gts celicas i raced and all i have was intake and exhuast. I have heard a lot of stories of them being pretty quick but i have yet to see one run any decent times.
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I love it !
Originally posted by Oracle17
not to call bs but don't see how a decently driven gts wouldn't put a few car lengths on a saturn at 80mph
not to call bs but don't see how a decently driven gts wouldn't put a few car lengths on a saturn at 80mph
Cracks me up !
Anyways, here's a link talking about an '03 -'04 - since the powertrain is unchanged, I'd assume the #'s are similar.
http://www.modernracer.com/saturnl300.html
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Originally posted by jadedst
sorry, i made a mistake, with light mods such as i/h/e a mid 14 is capable. ive seen the slips.
to stay in "lift" the driver needs to keep it abover 6000rpm while shifting... the car has an 8300rpm redline, and it makes power all the way to it.....
sorry, i made a mistake, with light mods such as i/h/e a mid 14 is capable. ive seen the slips.
to stay in "lift" the driver needs to keep it abover 6000rpm while shifting... the car has an 8300rpm redline, and it makes power all the way to it.....
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Originally posted by KeVMaN
That was the 2000 tho right? Don't the newer ones have a redline at like 7500 because people kept blowing up the engines?
That was the 2000 tho right? Don't the newer ones have a redline at like 7500 because people kept blowing up the engines?
im not 100% sure, seeing as my celica is a 92, but thats what i read....
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our buddies celica in question had a TRD intake, header, full exhaust and lightened flywheel. It was quick as hell for an N/A 4 cylinder...
robvas,
turbo and only running 14.7??? I've seen them running 14.4-14.5's with Nittos and bolt ons in PR.. hmm.. something's fishy. Maybe these guys are hiding their sneaky pete system very well.
robvas,
turbo and only running 14.7??? I've seen them running 14.4-14.5's with Nittos and bolt ons in PR.. hmm.. something's fishy. Maybe these guys are hiding their sneaky pete system very well.
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I test drove a new gts last weekend. They are *kinda* quick through first but after that they pretty much fall on thier face. I think they have a pretty steep first and second gears. Nothing any ls1 or
lt1 has to worry about.
lt1 has to worry about.
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A lot of misinformation in this thread.
"our buddies celica in question had a TRD intake, header, full exhaust and lightened flywheel"
TRD doesn't make an intake for the Celica-GT or GTS. Just a drop in filter
2002 GTS sticks had the lower rev limiter. Its back up fro 03. Shifter had nothing to do with the problem.
A good running stick non 02 can hit low 15s-they are neck and neck with a six speed RSXs.
Bolt on full interior Celica GTS 6 speeds can hit mid 14s-with weight reduction and drga radials low 14s at about 98-100MPH. A good running 4th gen F body V8 should clubber any of them with good driving.
"our buddies celica in question had a TRD intake, header, full exhaust and lightened flywheel"
TRD doesn't make an intake for the Celica-GT or GTS. Just a drop in filter
2002 GTS sticks had the lower rev limiter. Its back up fro 03. Shifter had nothing to do with the problem.
A good running stick non 02 can hit low 15s-they are neck and neck with a six speed RSXs.
Bolt on full interior Celica GTS 6 speeds can hit mid 14s-with weight reduction and drga radials low 14s at about 98-100MPH. A good running 4th gen F body V8 should clubber any of them with good driving.
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KeVMaN,
u are a dumb *** !!!
"It is a joke."
How can you race a V-8 against a V-4 and proclaim that it is a joke??? Explain me your methodology please. Now, imagine if a Celica GT-S has a V-8 instead of V-4. Wih all due respect, your grand-grand daddy will not be able to catch your ***, that's how much "she" will do u.
Max.
u are a dumb *** !!!
"It is a joke."
How can you race a V-8 against a V-4 and proclaim that it is a joke??? Explain me your methodology please. Now, imagine if a Celica GT-S has a V-8 instead of V-4. Wih all due respect, your grand-grand daddy will not be able to catch your ***, that's how much "she" will do u.
Max.