Raced my first mustang tonight....
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by scott9050
You posted in this thread Sherlock, it's open territory to whoever wants to show it is wrong.
There is nothing wrong with him showing me wrong. But he seems to take this too personal, by that I mean, he seems to think Im talking about his GT.
Tim has been here for years and is a respected member. He like others here has owned both sets. I remember when his car went from being quicker than a normal non PI GT (I believe he trapped 97 stock) to the monster it is today. You have not been here long enough to tell anyone that they should not be here.
You should practice your english reading skills, I never told anyone not to be here, I only said " at least Im on the right forum since I own an LT1 ".
And how is that? The fastest 4.6 based SOHC and DOHC cars are faster than the fasters LT1 and LS1 based cars with the fastest SOHC car being in the 7's and the fastest DOHC in the mid 6's. How is that inferior? Must be that bullet proof F-body rear end...no? How about sales? Which car died again? Which car owes the very fact that it is coming back to the Mustang's success? Before you assume anything I have owned 3 F-bodies myself.
Who cares about sales? if sales mattered , we would all be racing honda accords. I was talking about "stock" but again, you seem like you need some practice on reading.
Who cares about stock and who keeps their car stock? Tim's car would have run closer to you than you think when he was stock, he was running 14.3's on a car that was not on paper able to go that fast.
There is nothing wrong with him showing me wrong. But he seems to take this too personal, by that I mean, he seems to think Im talking about his GT.
Tim has been here for years and is a respected member. He like others here has owned both sets. I remember when his car went from being quicker than a normal non PI GT (I believe he trapped 97 stock) to the monster it is today. You have not been here long enough to tell anyone that they should not be here.
You should practice your english reading skills, I never told anyone not to be here, I only said " at least Im on the right forum since I own an LT1 ".
And how is that? The fastest 4.6 based SOHC and DOHC cars are faster than the fasters LT1 and LS1 based cars with the fastest SOHC car being in the 7's and the fastest DOHC in the mid 6's. How is that inferior? Must be that bullet proof F-body rear end...no? How about sales? Which car died again? Which car owes the very fact that it is coming back to the Mustang's success? Before you assume anything I have owned 3 F-bodies myself.
Who cares about sales? if sales mattered , we would all be racing honda accords. I was talking about "stock" but again, you seem like you need some practice on reading.
Who cares about stock and who keeps their car stock? Tim's car would have run closer to you than you think when he was stock, he was running 14.3's on a car that was not on paper able to go that fast.
This thing all started because I wrote an experience of a buddy of mine taking a 2004 Gt with his 01 eclipse gts. I guess Gt needed a supercharger to beat him too.LOL
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by 1BadAzzGT
You're very close. I ran 14.2@97 bone stock to the filter back in 98. That is indeed LT1 territory. You have a great memory and time sure does fly doesn't it?
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by darrens99formul
Thanks. I'll take that as an open invitation to jump right in
So? Am I supposed to worship him now? 
11.2 is a monster? You are entitled to your opinion but in my opinion he isn't a monster until he is required to have a 10 point certified cage, competitors license and window net. In other words single digits baby 
No one should tell anyone they can not be here. Except Moderators of course. They just break out the ban stick 
Well you're half right. The fastest LT1 is 8.08 @ 174 MPH so it's behind both. But the fastest LS1 went 6.86 @ 205 MPH so it has the SOHC beat. Not quite to the mid 6's of the DOHC but maybe the W2W boys will work on that. It's still damn impressive as is any car in the single digits regardless of what kind of vehicle.
For 300 rwhp the 10 bolt made sense. Strong enough for that and it eats less HP then the 12 bolt or 9".
If you want to make any car faster then stock you need to look at the weak links and upgrade appropriately. I still like 13's stock as a starting point though ;
Yeah because FORD is doing real well right now
How many people did they recently lay off?
The reason the F-body died (or went on a hiatus) is because of the V6 sales. More girls were buying V6 Mustangs and that hurt the V6 F-body sales.
They can't sustain the V8 sales without the V6.
I personally think this is because the base Vette is within the blue collar guys reach where the Mustang has no flagship car in that price range other then a Cobra which is still a Mustang.
The Shelby is cheaper by a damn sight at M.S.R.P. even though dealers are charging 2-3 times sticker (and getting buyers). Try again.
It's was not just FORD but Dodge as well with their Charger.
That and GM was given a few petitions looking for the return of the Camaro. Every little bit helps. Retro looks have been selling but I personally think it's a phase that'll pass. By the time the Camaro comes out it may all ready be over and that would suck. But I don't work for FORD or GM so my job is safe 
Many kids or people on tight budgets can not afford to mod thier cars because that takes cash in hand vs a car loan you can make payments on. If that's the case then why not get a car that at least runs 13's like a LS1, new GT or mach one.
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by korrrray34
If Tim is a great driver, good for him. Im not talking about drivers, I was just talking about a STOCK 4.6 . As for who keeps their cars stock, thats a whole different arguement.
This thing all started because I wrote an experience of a buddy of mine taking a 2004 Gt with his 01 eclipse gts. I guess Gt needed a supercharger to beat him too.LOL
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by scott9050
Feel free.
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I believe choice of religion is a right in this country. The *** kissing begin at 7:00 A.M.
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For a 4.6 SOHC, yes it is
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the fastest SOHC car being in the 7's
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Agreed.
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I have not kept up with it for at least a year and a half, I will have to look up the SOHC record again.
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It made no sense, any sticky tire and pop!! I have seen 2 stock LS1's blow rear ends on moderate launches using street slicks and one lose a few teeth using Dr's. I doubt that the 12 bolt (almost identical to the Ford 8.8) used much more hp than the 10 inch. It was a matter of G.M. being cheap.
I look at it like this. I wanted to replace the gears anyway so why not get them free in a new rearend
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You better upgrade that weak 10 bolt or you won't go far.
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What exactly does this have to do with anything? Perhaps you might want to visit the 5th gen section where is is regarded as fact that Mustang sales are what brought the Camaro back. Don't forget that Lutz when asked said "The Camaro might come back....in 30 years"
I don't think it's a coincidense that GM announces the rebirth of the Camaro as the end of the contract is getting close. But that's just me.
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G.M. laid off just as many if not more, so?
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Another B.S. so called fact. Here is a reality check for you, 70% of Mustang sales are to males. Fact of the matter is that the Mustang was simply easier to live with as a daily driver and it outsold the twins over 2-1.
I don't know why you care about that anyway. Isn't that a compliment?
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They sell plenty of each, but the base model of each car is what sold the most. Again, so what?
Originally Posted by scott9050
A $51,000 Vette is a blue collar car The Shelby is cheaper by a damn sight at M.S.R.P. even though dealers are charging 2-3 times sticker (and getting buyers). Try again.
The Shelby is cheaper by a damn sight at M.S.R.P. even though dealers are charging 2-3 times sticker (and getting buyers). Try again.As long as your credit and income checks out they will finance these friggin things for 90 months. I know how insane that is but a salesman at a Chevy dealership told me I'd be surprised how many people do this because they want the car so bad. If you put $5K down (cash or trade) and get around 7% interest you'll get the car for about $650 a month. I had a $450 car note before and if I had wanted I could of gone another $200. I am by no means rich.
I said it was within reach. I never said it was smart.
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Charger has almost nothing to do with the decision to return the Camaro, this is a fact. Try again.
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The petitions did nothing, it was the cold hard sales numbers and the fact that G.M. was being left out in the cold that cemented the decision to bring the car back.
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You are way off the Mark here. People, especially kids, will mod whatever they have. If your scenario were the case no one would mod a damn Civic. Not everyone has or can afford an LS1 or it's insurance, many can and do mod Mustangs. Mustangs also hands down have the largest aftermarket of any vechicle.
It's becoming the american way
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by darrens99formul
Don't mind if I do.
Good to hear. I choose not to then.
But you said,
Since it has the potential to run 7's I would say 11.2 is not a "monster". My opinion still stands as I am sure yours does as well. No offence to 1badazzgt personally because 11.2 is definately fast. I just don't consider it a monster till your running single digits and 130+ traps. But that's just me.
Well at least we agree on something. This is a step in the right direction
I'm just going by what you said. I would think you would want to be sure of your facts before you post but maybe you were in a hurry.
I'm sure they were being cheap. But they also know that they could get away with it. Autos have gone well into the 10's and seen 1.6 60's without breaking the 10 bolt. That doesn't mean it's strong but is a testiment to how much pre-loading the drivetrain absorbs alot of the shock. But for 300 rwhp and street tires there was no way to break the 10 bolt (even with a M6) unless you get some nasty wheel hop.
I look at it like this. I wanted to replace the gears anyway so why not get them free in a new rearend
We just covered this didn't we? In an auto I can get to 10's on it. But like I said, I'll use it as an excuse to get a free gear upgrade (so to speak).
You're entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I have read more threads then I care to admit to on this subject. The only thing I will add to this is that GM was in a contract that made it so they could only build cars with the "camaro" or "firebird" name at the St. Therese plant in Canada. If I remember correctly the contract expires at the end of this year. While I am sure the sale of the retro Mustang and Challengers had an influence it was by no means the ONLY reason. But it was a big part of it.
I don't think it's a coincidense that GM announces the rebirth of the Camaro as the end of the contract is getting close. But that's just me.
Exactly. So? You were the one who brought up sales and demises. I just pointed out that the company you were praising was in the same boat as GM.
I don't think so. That is what you see on paper. Sometimes the numbers lie. Most guys do not want a V6 Camaro, Firebird or Mustang. Not all but most. I bet there were alot of that 70% that were bought by men as a gift for the wife or GF. Or bought and put in his name for credit reasons but she is the driver. While those numbers went into your 70% argument they in reality added to my statement of "more girls liked the mustang".
I don't know why you care about that anyway. Isn't that a compliment?
They didn't sell enough V6's. I've read it so many times from so many places that I am not going to believe one person (you) over 50 others.
You have to look at the big picture. First of all, these cars are often garage kept with limited driving. That means you could potentially find a 10 year old Vette with only 25,000 original miles for an affordable price. But even if you wanted a $50K 2006 base vette there are ways to get it.
As long as your credit and income checks out they will finance these friggin things for 90 months. I know how insane that is but a salesman at a Chevy dealership told me I'd be surprised how many people do this because they want the car so bad. If you put $5K down (cash or trade) and get around 7% interest you'll get the car for about $650 a month. I had a $450 car note before and if I had wanted I could of gone another $200. I am by no means rich.
I said it was within reach. I never said it was smart.
Nothing and almost nothing are two different things. Every little bit helps.
You don't know that. I still say every little bit helps and nothing you say will convince me otherwise.
Not everyone mods thier cars. There are alot of stock F-bodies, Corvettes and Mustangs out there. It doesn't seem like it when you spend time at a site like this because you see all the sigs. But not everyone who owns a F-body is a member of sites like this. Some just wanted a fast car for a reasonable payment and are content with that because they either don't care about mods or because they can't afford them. Too many people live paycheck to paycheck and have nothing left after they pay bills.
It's becoming the american way
Good to hear. I choose not to then.
But you said,
Since it has the potential to run 7's I would say 11.2 is not a "monster". My opinion still stands as I am sure yours does as well. No offence to 1badazzgt personally because 11.2 is definately fast. I just don't consider it a monster till your running single digits and 130+ traps. But that's just me.
Well at least we agree on something. This is a step in the right direction
I'm just going by what you said. I would think you would want to be sure of your facts before you post but maybe you were in a hurry.
I'm sure they were being cheap. But they also know that they could get away with it. Autos have gone well into the 10's and seen 1.6 60's without breaking the 10 bolt. That doesn't mean it's strong but is a testiment to how much pre-loading the drivetrain absorbs alot of the shock. But for 300 rwhp and street tires there was no way to break the 10 bolt (even with a M6) unless you get some nasty wheel hop.
I look at it like this. I wanted to replace the gears anyway so why not get them free in a new rearend
We just covered this didn't we? In an auto I can get to 10's on it. But like I said, I'll use it as an excuse to get a free gear upgrade (so to speak).
You're entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I have read more threads then I care to admit to on this subject. The only thing I will add to this is that GM was in a contract that made it so they could only build cars with the "camaro" or "firebird" name at the St. Therese plant in Canada. If I remember correctly the contract expires at the end of this year. While I am sure the sale of the retro Mustang and Challengers had an influence it was by no means the ONLY reason. But it was a big part of it.
I don't think it's a coincidense that GM announces the rebirth of the Camaro as the end of the contract is getting close. But that's just me.
Exactly. So? You were the one who brought up sales and demises. I just pointed out that the company you were praising was in the same boat as GM.
I don't think so. That is what you see on paper. Sometimes the numbers lie. Most guys do not want a V6 Camaro, Firebird or Mustang. Not all but most. I bet there were alot of that 70% that were bought by men as a gift for the wife or GF. Or bought and put in his name for credit reasons but she is the driver. While those numbers went into your 70% argument they in reality added to my statement of "more girls liked the mustang".
I don't know why you care about that anyway. Isn't that a compliment?
They didn't sell enough V6's. I've read it so many times from so many places that I am not going to believe one person (you) over 50 others.
You have to look at the big picture. First of all, these cars are often garage kept with limited driving. That means you could potentially find a 10 year old Vette with only 25,000 original miles for an affordable price. But even if you wanted a $50K 2006 base vette there are ways to get it.
As long as your credit and income checks out they will finance these friggin things for 90 months. I know how insane that is but a salesman at a Chevy dealership told me I'd be surprised how many people do this because they want the car so bad. If you put $5K down (cash or trade) and get around 7% interest you'll get the car for about $650 a month. I had a $450 car note before and if I had wanted I could of gone another $200. I am by no means rich.
I said it was within reach. I never said it was smart.
Nothing and almost nothing are two different things. Every little bit helps.
You don't know that. I still say every little bit helps and nothing you say will convince me otherwise.
Not everyone mods thier cars. There are alot of stock F-bodies, Corvettes and Mustangs out there. It doesn't seem like it when you spend time at a site like this because you see all the sigs. But not everyone who owns a F-body is a member of sites like this. Some just wanted a fast car for a reasonable payment and are content with that because they either don't care about mods or because they can't afford them. Too many people live paycheck to paycheck and have nothing left after they pay bills.
It's becoming the american way
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by 1BadAzzGT
Holy quotes batman! LMAO!
I know. I definately get carried away with the quotes. But that's how I debate in details. Plus I think it's part of my charm.Or lack there of
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by darrens99formul
I know. I definately get carried away with the quotes. But that's how I debate in details. Plus I think it's part of my charm.Or lack there of
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by 1BadAzzGT
Please tell me if I've read your dissertation wrong or not ok? The way I have read it is that if I can trap 130+ now, my car to you, would be considered a monster?
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You will not find a single digit car MOST of the time running on the streets either.
Low 11's or tens on the street is a fast *** car. Thats exotic territory.
This whole damn thing started because people were saying 4.6l motors are gay. I defended the GT in saying that there is no way a 4.6l is going to lose to a 3.8l.
The edge mustang especially since this is the years being taken into question would not lose to a V6. It has 260hp and 302ftlbs. A mustang v6 has 197hp and 225ftlbs and the camaro 200hp and 225ftlbs. Both of which are far less than the GT and at least the camaro V6 weighs about the same.
This thread has turned into I dont know what.
Fact is that the lt1 and pi4.6L are about equal the ls1 is still faster than both. V6's of either car cannot handle themselves against most v8 trucks and there is no freaking way they are taking a v8 of either car. There is a big reason for the price difference in the 6 and 8 series.
The discussion was a nice kill v6 against v6 that got blown out of proportion into somehow gm managed to make their almost identically rated 3.8L into a v8 ford killer.
Low 11's or tens on the street is a fast *** car. Thats exotic territory.
This whole damn thing started because people were saying 4.6l motors are gay. I defended the GT in saying that there is no way a 4.6l is going to lose to a 3.8l.
The edge mustang especially since this is the years being taken into question would not lose to a V6. It has 260hp and 302ftlbs. A mustang v6 has 197hp and 225ftlbs and the camaro 200hp and 225ftlbs. Both of which are far less than the GT and at least the camaro V6 weighs about the same.
This thread has turned into I dont know what.
Fact is that the lt1 and pi4.6L are about equal the ls1 is still faster than both. V6's of either car cannot handle themselves against most v8 trucks and there is no freaking way they are taking a v8 of either car. There is a big reason for the price difference in the 6 and 8 series.
The discussion was a nice kill v6 against v6 that got blown out of proportion into somehow gm managed to make their almost identically rated 3.8L into a v8 ford killer.
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by darrens99formul
I'm used to the world of autos so 130+ there is low 10's to high 9's. But I'll compromise. I'll say 9.99 at any trap is a full blown monster and anyone trapping 130+ but still in the 10's is a monster in training
Don't forget that I still run with full interior, full weight, drag radials, have a/c, stereo, etc and on pump gas. Oh and I drive to and from the track no trailer queen nor gutted out beer can.
Can I at least be considered a "mini" monster in training then? I looked at my one timeslip and it was almost 129mph.
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by 1BadAzzGT
Damn I still can't win with your analogy then
Don't forget that I still run with full interior, full weight, drag radials, have a/c, stereo, etc and on pump gas. Oh and I drive to and from the track no trailer queen nor gutted out beer can.
Can I at least be considered a "mini" monster in training then? I looked at my one timeslip and it was almost 129mph.
Don't forget that I still run with full interior, full weight, drag radials, have a/c, stereo, etc and on pump gas. Oh and I drive to and from the track no trailer queen nor gutted out beer can.
Can I at least be considered a "mini" monster in training then? I looked at my one timeslip and it was almost 129mph.
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Re: Raced my first mustang tonight....
Originally Posted by SSlither
I think your car is a frickin monster no matter what!!!! I do a little thing called comparing to what I have: prolly low 13 sec ride that I love, your is MUCH faster, therefore a monster!!!!!!
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But in 99formula's defense I also see what you are saying and I do support GM over ferds anyday! So lets click ours beers agree that our muscle rocks and go hunting some ports!!!!!!!
