I do like the Supra but i like to feel the cars power at 5mph vs. 80mph. Alot of them are dyno queens and dont build full boost until highway speeds. The car can handle uber amounts of power but they dont put up the numbers they should.

 

That's for cars that are built like race cars but driven on the street. There's only so many ways to make 700-800+ horsepower, esp. from 3 liters. You can build a "reasonably powered" Supra that makes plenty of bottom end, usable power. My brother's had the smallest single made and, along with a Precision Industries torque converter, it had better around-town driving feel than it did stock yet it made a little over 500 rwhp in that form (19 psi, 93 octane). It ran mid 11s at 121+ mph on ET Streets; 12.50s on true street tires.

It wasn't built to impress people with huge dyno readings. In all actuality, it performed better than cars with 600 or 700 hp in all but the highest rpm ranges. By the time the "more hp" car's power would prevail, you'd be in jail anyway if you were testing it on the street.

You should see my Subaru. Stock turbo with a couple of exhaust mods = over 330 wtq before 3k rpm and the traction to fully use it in any gear. Fun stuff in a sleeper sedan

 

Yeah, that's the drawback of a 3L engine vs. a 5.7L engine. The Supra will never be a stump puller and will never have the off idle torque of our cars, but the reason they don't put up the numbers for their hp is just inherent to the design. You can't go from 200 rwhp to 500 rwhp in the space of 1000-1500 rpms and hold traction. These guys with their monster turbo's ARE dyno queens, but it's not really their fault. You simply can't put down 7-8-900 hp on street tires or dr's...especially when power comes on as fast as it does in the Supra. Properly set up supras with suspension, slicks, a high stall tc or a powerglide do run the numbers. A lot of guys won't ruin their street car to do it though.

 

Thanks!

 

sounds like i should forget my V8 and go buy a supra. i heard it takes like 10-15grand to build a good engine. that was coming from this local supra group that has cars from 700to1500hp supras. so is it worth it to actually have a supra. If its better to mod a supra ill sell my 530hp IROC and go buy a supra.

 

They said building the Supra is easy, not cheap. You can easily spend the same $10-15k on the Supra too. For example, exhaust from the turbo back can be over $2k. Turbo? There goes $1500+, plus the manifold and other bits that easily reach another thousand. Another grand for the intercooler. Ever priced a Supra's clutch? That's a couple thousand. If you go the automatic route, you'll need to build up the transmission and get a better torque converter; there's another 2-3k gone. You haven't even started with the electronic add-ons for tuning and such.

Like any other project, it can get real expensive real quick.

 

Plus a decent MKIV will have a price tag between $30k-50k.

 

for 15 grand i rebuilt my whole camaro with me doing a custom interior dash and fiberglass parts. the most expensive is the engine and paint. i think for being a poor boy i think ill stick to american muscle. cant wait till the new challenger comes out though

 

Your local Supra group is stuck in 1997 There's absolutely no need to build the engine unless you're going for 800 or more hp and there are plenty of plug and play turbo kits out there that will put you over 700 hp for around $7k. No engine work required, all you need is a stronger clutch and some tuning. Here's the link:

http://www.suprastore.com/800hpkitcom.html

I'm not trying to be a smart *** at all, but can you get your IROC to nearly 800 hp for $7k?

 

Your numbers are a little off John. A full turbo back can be had for a grand or less. $300 for the downpipe, $5-700 for catback. $2k for a clutch is crazy. I know OS Giken makes one that expensive, but it's not the only option. RPS makes a fine clutch for the Supra in the $5-700 range. Sure you can spend big money, but you definitely don't have to. Check out the link in my other post. All inclusive 775 hp kit for $7200. Of course I'd never buy it from the a**hole who owns that site, but it's out there. Those are hard numbers to beat in a modern sports car.

 

I just know they get expensive quick. Everything you do seems to end in the word "thousand". I built this one myself and I know that while it was a lot of fun, it was also expensive. At heart I'm still a cheap *** DSMer so anything over $300 is an expensive mod That was my brother's car so it was his dime - I didn't mind as much.

We built the car in 2001 so I don't recall all the prices but for example, I know the 3.75-inch HKS Super Dragger catback was pricey. The downpipe was specific to the SP turbo, as was their manifold. This car was the anti-dyno-queen setup, making a tick over 500whp in daily driver mode (19 psi, 93 octane, stock fuel system, VPC + SAFC) with better than stock drivability. Unlike stereotypical Supras, it made power any time you hit the gas. It still turned in 121-122 mph timeslips so it wasn't lacking up top either. I'd like to have seen it on some 100 octane and 24-25 psi.

And you know, I remember trying to buy something from the Supra Store and it being a huge PITA, so I agree with you there. It's been years but you don't forget things like that.

 

i raced and drove a supra today and their alright. i won with my spanky new to me Trans. (o1ws6)

if you want a joke, ill send you the explosion of my friends 1995 neon when it blows up. hes going to build the engine and put nos on it. their good cars but well....? why?

 

......"it doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winnning is winning"

im gonna go hang myself for finishing that line

 

Nice Supra! I see you have a link to Mohd's Supra on there. He used to be one of my best friends when I was into Supras. Great dude. It's cool to see that. It's been years since I thought about any of these guys. Checkout the MKIV.com link above his....there are still a few tech articles on there that I wrote almost 10 years ago! I'm Jason.

The Supra Store was/is run by a guy named Mark Tozer. He's a true POS. Him and his "life partner" are the reason that Supra owners still get a bad rap online to this day. By far the most egotistical person I've ever had the displeasure of knowing. Not to mention he'd screw you blind if you did biz with him. Definitely stay away.

 

The Supra is just alright, but the 95 Neon is a good car?!