haha... for months now, my friend has been talking about getting his new car (2003 Mazda Speed Protege.. the turbocharged one) To my face he wouldn't actualy say much, but oh boy the things I've been told he says behind my back.

Whenever I wasn't there, he would be talking complete trash about my Camaro. How the interior is crap, and how his Protege is going to DESTROY my Camaro in a race. All of this before he even HAD the car.

He was buying the car off one of his cousins "friends". He said he was getting it for like 14 grand, then it was 19 grand, then back down to 16 (he can never get is lies and BS straight) And I still don't know what the final cost ended up being.

But here is where it gets funny.. before he bought it.. the guy he was buying it off of was going to apparently Twin Turbo it, add a DVD player and other various BS all FOR HIM at NO EXTRA cost. haha.. boy did I call that BS

So he finaly bought it couple weeks ago... and it's booone stock. Very surprizing So since my Camaro is away for the winter.. I decided to **** him off in a different way. We went out one night, him in his Protege.. and me in my 93 Cutlass Supreme (my winter beater haha) And we had a few runs. Not to my surprize.. my Cutlass which weighs almost 1000 lbs MORE.. kept up no problem.

It's sad because he STILL says that the guy he bought it off of, tells him that he wants to add a bigger turbo and "hardpipes" all at no expense to him of course...

Not trashing the Speed Protege, very nice car. It's just my friend who is so completely full of it. It's going to be fun blowing all four of his doors off in the spring

 

I looked up the specs..170hp..160torque...pretty wimpy.It seems to be fairly light but its 0 to 100km spec was very slow.I am sure you will completely roast him.It might have some potential but without aftermarket turbo or running way higher than stock boost shouldn't be much and even if he did up the power most of these front wheel drive turbo cars just blow the tires off and don't go anywhere much fast anyway.Now throw on some drag radials and they can do pretty good..example the srt4 but that has a lot more power than the protege and not that much heavier.Still they are all fugly four doors.Who cares how fast they are ? Rather have a nice looking even v6 camaro over a fast ugly four door.Not sure whats up with car companies nowadays ,they think 4 doors are where its at even in their supposed sports cars.The neon srt 4 ..4 door only,subaru wrx and sti...4 door only,new dodge charger..4 door..mazda rx8 four door,pontiac gtp 4 door only now...and it just keeps going.
Oh well I got my nice two doors don't care much what the new stuff is.
If he would have bought a srt 4 or talon turbo awd then you might have more of a good match for your camaro.

 

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What a tool...

A few test and tunes ago, there was hardly anyone in the lanes yet and this retard in a new Protege with a fartpipe lined up against me twice and ran a 19.xxx to my 13.xxx, and these guys think their car is fast?

 

What is it that makes these guys think that so many Japanese cars with 4 cylinder turbo engines are fast? Who is feeding them all this BS. Is it the movies, magazines, internet, friends, marketing... You would think that after even taking 1 hour to research many of these cars they would realize how they truely can compete. Some of them are quick, no doubt, but there seems to be a HUGE misconception by the general population.

Dan

 

Some of the four cylinder cars are fast..the subaru turbos especially the sti and the wrx can do quite nicely stock against a stock lt1 and is faster than most stock third gens and seconds.The srt 4 neon also turbo car is fast too and also a decent match for a stock lt1.
And the talons especially the awd were very easy to mod up to be equal to a stock lt1.So its not a total myth.But a non turbo four banger isn't much of a car unless its super super light.Thats the difference on the wannabe cars.They need nitrous ,superchargers or turbos to make up for the small displacement.
But I would never just assume because you happen to have a v8 even a modded one that a modded up four cylinder with any of the above power adders will be a pushover.And its fairly easy to get to 400 ,even 500 hp with a big aftermarket turbo and supporting mods in these little four bangers.
I have around 500 engine hp on my 92 talon with aftermarket turbo and supporting mods.IN fact currently its my fastest car.

 

That's exactly the reason I want to get a turbo for my car. For some reason turbo + V8 is like breaking the rules or something to all these domestic haters.

I don't really dislike people that love imports, it's just the ones that think all it takes is [insert misc. gizmo part here] to run tens that gets on my nerves. I'm sure everyone has met someone like that, whether they're talking about a boost controller or a downpipe, it's always the same old BS story. When they start telling me what my car can do, when they've never even set foot in a Camaro before, is when I want to slap them.

 

Funny story,last fall was at local track and it was one of those days everything runs everything.I lined up beside a blue honda civic and his hood was up and the car had turbo and nitrous.They were talking about my camaro,its actually the car I bought for the wife and being purple and the black z28 emblems are almost invisible I think they thought it was a v6 car.
I heard them saying how they should easily be running at least 13s or 14s.I kind of chuckled to myself as I had just run my buddies ls1 and got a 14.4 to his 14.2 and almost beat him.Our track is at 1900 feet above sea level which doesn't help most ls1 cars are high 13s and most lt1s stock are mid to high 14s.I was very mildly modded that day but had just put in 3.42 gears and had some nitto drags on the car.Buddy with ls1 had smoked his tires off..He ran low 13 later in the night.
Anyway line up at the starting line and didn't even bother heating up the nittos.Figured good enough they were brand new and didn't feel like wasting them on this honda.
I ran a 14.4 at 96 with like a 2.30 60ft .The honda ran a 16.5 at forget the mph.Not very impressive less than mine and spun his tires off bad too.
Next time around the same honda wound up beside me in the staging lanes and he asked the track official to match him with another car..LOL
I don't think he broke 16s that night.I am not sure why.I heard rumors it was a 13 second car from other people but not that night.
Then ran another newer civic and it ran even slower 17 seconds.So had fun that day.
Also on that day an srt 4 and wrx both ran but don't think either hit the 14s that day.Obviously standard turbo cars are not that easy to drive.

 

I agree with what you are saying, but I was talking about stock Japanese turbo 4 cars. The Sti you mention is quick, no doubt, as is the EVO 8. The WRX is o.k. I'm not questioning, in the least, that a turbo 4 can be made insanely fast. Anyone can put money into a car and make it crazy quick. What I am talking about seems to be the big misconsecption, in general, that these turbo 4, or NA 4 cylinder, Japanese cars are extremely quick stock.

I'm not an import hater at all. I have respect for any well designed car.

Dan

 

They're not just ignorant of domestics - they can be equally clueless about other imports as well. There was a Honda guy at the track who changed places with his friend in the staging lanes so he could line up with my brother's Supra. They were high-fiving each other, so sure they were going to win because "they looked inside the Supra; it's only an automatic."

Yep, it's an automatic. With a single turbo conversion, HKS front-mount and 3.75-inch exhaust, built transmission and Precision Industries triple-plate torque converter, all connected to some 295-width Pole Positions out back.

Yep, their Prelude with a fart can is going to easily out-muscle that. It blasted its way to a 16.something I believe. The Supra got squirrely on the 2-3 shift (somewhere around 90 mph) and he lifted for a sec and then went back WOT, still running 13.0 @ 119.

GreenDemon - a turbo'ed v8 is a project I must do someday. I love sleepers (eyeball my current sedan) and for some reason I keep picturing a mid-90s Buick Roadmaster LT1 with all forged internals, 9.5:1 compression, and a big hairdryer(s). Slap on some suspension parts from a cop-spec Caprice and the aftermarket and it should handle decently too. If I was even crazier, I'd do it in a Roadmaster Estate Wagon , or even a Cadillac Fleetwood!

 

I'm not too keen on sleepers. I was thinking more along the lines of tubbed out rear, TT 383 LT1 or something along those lines. Something that all the real car buffs go up and stare at and go "Now that's a car" and all the ricers avoid like the plague, and will only look at from a distance. Someday when I have more cash I guess. And I know all the cops in my precinct.

Imagine how cool it would have been in 2f2f if when the guy revved up the eclipse and the bov went off, and then you hear the other car go ROAR-PSST.

 

those cars are slow, your friends a dummy...or just your typical teenager

 

omg i had a friend with a mazda protege too and he thought that it would kill my trans am... never got to race because he moved but i wish now that i had the chance. lol some people underestamate our cars.

 

haha

Funny you guys should mension the Talons/Lasers

My other friend has a base Laser (92 HP LOL but actualy pretty quick because it's so light) But his step dad has a 93 Laser as well, and it's the Turbo'd one. I've only been in it once, and it was in the rain, but man once it hit 3K rpms, that tubro broke the tires loose.

I'd love to see that Laser and the Protege have a go... they bitch like a married couple over which is faster lol! I just don't bother. Untill someone starts talking crap about my Camaro.. thats when it gets ugly. Or even worse, when they trash the Corvette!

But they're getting less and less material to use agaist the Vette with the new Z06

and btw, I'm not hating on imports either.. mind you I don't like a lot of them.. but I don't like a lot of domestics either.

 

Bone stock turbo talons usually run low 15 high 14s.But with some minor modding like upping the boost they can get to mid to low 14s and in the 13s with a few more mods on the stock turbo.To go much faster requires upgrade turbo and bigger intercooler,injectors etc but most of that stuff is not that expensive either.Nice turbo can be had for like 600 US and more powerful ones like I have on mine for around 800 US.The awd is key reason they can be deadly competition on the street and on the track if the car they are running against is on street tires.
Our v8s can put out great power and torque but hooking them up on the street is the probably.A set of nittos can go a long way to getting a good launch on the street.Also I find the street can actually give better 60fts sometimes than our local track but that comes down to track surface,track prep..etc.

An awd talon I believe weighs around 3100 pounds.Mine is stripper model,no air and not much option..no sunroof,no power seats or window.The fwd are lighter yet but harder to get good 60fts out of unless you run drag tires.

 

twin turbo a 4 banger.... LMAO