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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 12:22 AM
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Re: *Vid* LS1 Fbody vs. 05 GTO

Originally Posted by StylezZ28
well i have raced an LS2 already with my mods.. beat it from a stop and roll. The ls2 had a catback on it. I am personally not impressed with the GTO... never will be. I actually watched one dyno down at JD's a couple days ago and it made a whooping 320 wheel horsepower (rated at 400 correct)?. Guess GM didn't under rate them like they did to the Fbody.

Seemed to me whoever got the best launch won that match up. Good races for sure.
There is hardly nothing out for them yet. You need to check out some of the 05 M6 GTO's that are putting down 345-355 RHWP bone stock over at LS2GTO.com.

I dont think anyone really cares if you are "impressed" by the GTO, or not. The fact is, the one you raced must have had the worst driver in the world in it. Bone stock 05 GTO's have already went 12.8's, and 12.9's, and we just hit spring. Weather you are impressed by a car that will wax yours is of no concern to anyone.
320 RWHP, LS2, lol, thats funny.

The TA won the second race, because the GTO had to let off. The guy who owns the GTO, who posted the video over at the GTO site, said he let off because of some debris, or something hit his car.
Plus the GTO is stock, the TA isnt, and weighed in at around 500 pounds more than the TA, i wouldnt be impressed either
Old Apr 1, 2005 | 12:50 AM
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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 09:44 AM
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Me too GM did a good job on the goat. The interior is fantastic. Compared to the 4 vettes I've owned the build quality is top notch. I could've bought the 05 GTO, but I got the 04 for $10k less and I'm sure with some long tubes, exhaust, 1.8's and a tune I'll be right there with the 05 in hp.

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I would rather take home the Goat. Those cars are so nice inside. its the best of both worlds, its hot alot of *****, and its rather nice to look at, even though there is alot more weight, im more impressed with it even compared to the t/a.
Old Apr 1, 2005 | 09:44 PM
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Me too GM did a good job on the goat. The interior is fantastic. Compared to the 4 vettes I've owned the build quality is top notch. I could've bought the 05 GTO, but I got the 04 for $10k less and I'm sure with some long tubes, exhaust, 1.8's and a tune I'll be right there with the 05 in hp.

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Yea but what happens when that 05 gets Lts and exhaust . GTO wise id go for the LS2...but when you can pick up a used 03-04 cobra for mid to higher 20's Ill pass on either Goat, Cobra will stomp either stock and even worse w/ a few inexpensive mods.
Old Apr 1, 2005 | 09:58 PM
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so go buy a cobra then, The GTO's are awesome cars, they have top notch fit and finish and have some *****, I dont know what kind of dyno that guys was using that only pulled 320 but i think its broken. Can you just imagine where wed be if we still had the camaro/TA. Think of that for a line up Camaro, TA, GTO, Vette all LS2 powered talk about ford killer Good race, Id like to see another run between the 2 cars, with a CAI and exhaust that Goat would run from the TA. just my .2 cents
Old Apr 1, 2005 | 10:04 PM
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Re: *Vid* LS1 Fbody vs. 05 GTO

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There is hardly nothing out for them yet. You need to check out some of the 05 M6 GTO's that are putting down 345-355 RHWP bone stock over at LS2GTO.com.

I dont think anyone really cares if you are "impressed" by the GTO, or not. The fact is, the one you raced must have had the worst driver in the world in it. Bone stock 05 GTO's have already went 12.8's, and 12.9's, and we just hit spring. Weather you are impressed by a car that will wax yours is of no concern to anyone.
320 RWHP, LS2, lol, thats funny.

The TA won the second race, because the GTO had to let off. The guy who owns the GTO, who posted the video over at the GTO site, said he let off because of some debris, or something hit his car.
Plus the GTO is stock, the TA isnt, and weighed in at around 500 pounds more than the TA, i wouldnt be impressed either
lol nice info, but i already witnessed one that put down stock 320. 12.8's and 12.9's... wow i also witnessed a stock SS do that 2. AM i suppose to be impressed? oh well. this is all my opinion, ur right no one has to care about it.

My car weighs in at 3820 with no gas and a driver. i don't wanna hear weight differences, or excuses of "road debris".

"The fact is, the one you raced must have had the worst driver in the world in it."
I think fact is, they really aren't that fast. I am sick of hearing "u raced a ****ty driver", to punch the damn car from a 60 roll and shift doesn't take skill. And when we went from a dead stop it was pretty much even out of the hole. My car was faster.

I found this on my j-body forum, another example... his dyno must be broken 2. http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.ph...&t=73350#73467 if u can't view that then here.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...7_226_full.jpg

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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 01:57 AM
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lol nice info, but i already witnessed one that put down stock 320. 12.8's and 12.9's... wow i also witnessed a stock SS do that 2. AM i suppose to be impressed? oh well. this is all my opinion, ur right no one has to care about it.
Yes stock SS, Z28's (insert f-body platform here) have gone 12.8's and 12.9's, but its not the norm. Average times for these cars are 13.3-13.7, bone stock. 05 GTO's (you know, the ones that have only been out for a month or so) have already been going 12.8's, 12.9's, consistently, with 13.0, and 13.2's out of the A4's. There have only been a handful of guys run them so far. Wait a couple months, and you will see them going 12.6's, or better.

My car weighs in at 3820 with no gas and a driver. i don't wanna hear weight differences, or excuses of "road debris".
Your car is a convertible, of course it is going to be heavy. Guess what though, a hardtop 05 GTO, with no gas, and a 50 pound driver weighs more than your convertible!! We are talking T-top, or hardtop f-bodies, weigh in at 300 lbs less, or more than a GTO, aka thats 3 tenths there.
Road debris is not an excuse, its what happened in the second race, believe what you want.

I think fact is, they really aren't that fast. I am sick of hearing "u raced a ****ty driver", to punch the damn car from a 60 roll and shift doesn't take skill. And when we went from a dead stop it was pretty much even out of the hole. My car was faster
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First of all a ****ty driver, can turn a 12.3 car into a 15.0 car no problem. I didnt see the WS6 and GTO race from a 60MPH roll did you? As a matter of fact, they went from a dig, and thats advantage WS6 right there due to the IRS in the Goat. As far as you waxing a 05 GTO, you did, wether you want to believe it or not, beat the driver, not the car.

I found this on my j-body forum, another example... his dyno must be broken 2. http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.p...7&t=73350#73467 if u can't view that then here.
Nice, a dyno run of a 700 mile 05 GTO . Enthusiasts have known for years that a well broken in engine will on average dyno 10-15RHWP higher than an engine that is not broken in. For your veiwing pleasure though, i have included some links of my own.

http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20011 347.3 bone stock 354 with the air filter removed
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19926 350.4 bone stock with 125 miles on the clock, wait until that one gets broken in.
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20384 Same car with nothing more than LS2 edit, 360RWHP, paper filter and all
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19228 Here's a bone stock A4 with 331RWHP to the wheels.
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19228 Bone stock, 70 miles on the clock, 345 to the ground.

Also read somewhere that the DynoDynamics, or whatever the hell that link you posted was, are closer to mustang dyno numbers, aka, less than dynojet, aka actually about 340-350RWHP.

Draw your own conclusions, but i will state again, if you are not impressed by a car that weighs more than your, and will still beat you with your mods while it is stock, idk what to tell you.
I suppose you aren't "impressed" by an 03-04 Cobra with a pulley, tune and catback either

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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 11:05 AM
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Re: *Vid* LS1 Fbody vs. 05 GTO

Originally Posted by 1quikZ
so go buy a cobra then
TY, I will as soon as I save a bit more
Old Apr 3, 2005 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Antz97ZNJ
Yea but what happens when that 05 gets Lts and exhaust . GTO wise id go for the LS2...but when you can pick up a used 03-04 cobra for mid to higher 20's Ill pass on either Goat, Cobra will stomp either stock and even worse w/ a few inexpensive mods.
I say pick up an LS1 TA,throw in a small cam and whoop up on some stock Cobras or GTO's, Take your pic..not to mention look better doing it for half the price.
At least that was my route. I havent raced an 05 GTO but I dont thinhk I will have a problem with them. As far as the Cobra I have already beat a few stock ones.
Although its a matter of personal preferance. The GTO is a better quality car then the Mustang or F-bod. Some people are more concerned with fit and finish..Overall quality then anything. I on the other hand just love raw power. But if fit and fnish/quality was my biggest concern I would have the GTO.
Old Apr 3, 2005 | 10:49 PM
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TY, I will as soon as I save a bit more

if i wasn't so anti ford i would def have to pick one up 2, they are so bad ***!








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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 10:52 PM
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Yes stock SS, Z28's (insert f-body platform here) have gone 12.8's and 12.9's, but its not the norm. Average times for these cars are 13.3-13.7, bone stock. 05 GTO's (you know, the ones that have only been out for a month or so) have already been going 12.8's, 12.9's, consistently, with 13.0, and 13.2's out of the A4's. There have only been a handful of guys run them so far. Wait a couple months, and you will see them going 12.6's, or better.


Your car is a convertible, of course it is going to be heavy. Guess what though, a hardtop 05 GTO, with no gas, and a 50 pound driver weighs more than your convertible!! We are talking T-top, or hardtop f-bodies, weigh in at 300 lbs less, or more than a GTO, aka thats 3 tenths there.
Road debris is not an excuse, its what happened in the second race, believe what you want.

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First of all a ****ty driver, can turn a 12.3 car into a 15.0 car no problem. I didnt see the WS6 and GTO race from a 60MPH roll did you? As a matter of fact, they went from a dig, and thats advantage WS6 right there due to the IRS in the Goat. As far as you waxing a 05 GTO, you did, wether you want to believe it or not, beat the driver, not the car.


Nice, a dyno run of a 700 mile 05 GTO . Enthusiasts have known for years that a well broken in engine will on average dyno 10-15RHWP higher than an engine that is not broken in. For your veiwing pleasure though, i have included some links of my own.

http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20011 347.3 bone stock 354 with the air filter removed
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19926 350.4 bone stock with 125 miles on the clock, wait until that one gets broken in.
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20384 Same car with nothing more than LS2 edit, 360RWHP, paper filter and all
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19228 Here's a bone stock A4 with 331RWHP to the wheels.
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19228 Bone stock, 70 miles on the clock, 345 to the ground.

Also read somewhere that the DynoDynamics, or whatever the hell that link you posted was, are closer to mustang dyno numbers, aka, less than dynojet, aka actually about 340-350RWHP.

Draw your own conclusions, but i will state again, if you are not impressed by a car that weighs more than your, and will still beat you with your mods while it is stock, idk what to tell you.
I suppose you aren't "impressed" by an 03-04 Cobra with a pulley, tune and catback either

i'll take an 03 cobra over a GTO ANYDAY OF THE WEEK. The 03 is one hell of a car. At least ford did something right and built it a basically indestructable engine STOCK. The GTO Sucks and thats my opinion. thanks.
Old Apr 3, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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How about a GTO with a supercharger to even out the cobras and see who wins now .Cobras are badass but i hate fords
Old Apr 4, 2005 | 01:05 AM
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Re: *Vid* LS1 Fbody vs. 05 GTO

Originally Posted by StylezZ28
i'll take an 03 cobra over a GTO ANYDAY OF THE WEEK. The 03 is one hell of a car. At least ford did something right and built it a basically indestructable engine STOCK. The GTO Sucks and thats my opinion. thanks.
Good for you. I would take an 03/04 Cobra myself if i had the extra cash.
Do everyone a favor though, if you dont mind, please stop bashing GTO's. There are plenty of enthusiasts that do like them, do appreciate the build quality, and are happy with their decision. I have not said F-bodies suck, or Cobra's suck, i like all performance cars. Maybe they aren't styled to everyone's liking, but some people are happy with them. Thank You.
Old Apr 4, 2005 | 08:09 AM
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How about a GTO with a supercharger to even out the cobras and see who wins now .Cobras are badass but i hate fords
Ok and to even that out ill take the additional 5 grand you spend for the GTO blower and throw a kenne bell/whipple on the snake, then its back to the drawing board for the Ol GTO....I love both cars, and would buy either in a second, cobra is just more my style. The cars weigh similar but you would need some pretty serious work to the GTO for what a cobra can make w/ a few inexspensive bolt ons (ie. pulley, catback,tune). Not to mention the Cobras faster stock to boot.
Old Apr 4, 2005 | 01:45 PM
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Yeah one day chevy will come out with a v8 with a blower



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