Which is the best brake pad; PBR or Hawk?
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First off, there is no such thing as a Hawk "HP". It's HPS, or HP Plus. 
HP Pluses are much more powerful than HPS's or PBR's are, and they cost more and are a dirtier too. But they are completely ok for a street car. They work cold and have a lot of torque.
I use both the PBR's and the HPS's on my car. They are pretty much similar, the PBR's are just a little less $$$ *$67.50 vs. $81 for HPS) and have a little different pedal feel. I pretty much use whatever I have on the shelf at the time, that's how similar they are. And I can't get PBR rears for some reason, so I use HPS rears. Some folks prefer the same pad, which makes it a no-brainer. But having used both a lot, I would be hard-pressed to tell you the difference, so it doesn't concern me a lick having PBR fronts and HPS rears. I actually have both here in stock right now, FWIW.
HP Pluses are much more powerful than HPS's or PBR's are, and they cost more and are a dirtier too. But they are completely ok for a street car. They work cold and have a lot of torque. I use both the PBR's and the HPS's on my car. They are pretty much similar, the PBR's are just a little less $$$ *$67.50 vs. $81 for HPS) and have a little different pedal feel. I pretty much use whatever I have on the shelf at the time, that's how similar they are. And I can't get PBR rears for some reason, so I use HPS rears. Some folks prefer the same pad, which makes it a no-brainer. But having used both a lot, I would be hard-pressed to tell you the difference, so it doesn't concern me a lick having PBR fronts and HPS rears. I actually have both here in stock right now, FWIW.
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Which PBR were you thinking of though??? They have different pads.
I'll vote for PBR/Axxis Metal Masters for a street car. I've got several high speed emergency stops on mine. They're great pads. Don't dust a lot either. Between them and the HPS, I'd get whichever I got the best deal on.
Just make sure your rotors and fluid are up to the heat also.
I'll vote for PBR/Axxis Metal Masters for a street car. I've got several high speed emergency stops on mine. They're great pads. Don't dust a lot either. Between them and the HPS, I'd get whichever I got the best deal on.
Just make sure your rotors and fluid are up to the heat also.
Last edited by Greed4Speed; Dec 28, 2006 at 05:49 PM.
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. I'm pretty sure they're the HPS ("S" for Street?? 
) ... I know they were Hawk's "street" pads, not their track ones. But yeah, they dust pretty bad 
.What brand/type of ceramics are you running, and how do they work (actual braking performance wise) in comparison to a set of Hawk's?
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First off, there is no such thing as a Hawk "HP". It's HPS, or HP Plus. HP Pluses are much more powerful than HPS's or PBR's are, and they cost more and are a dirtier too. But they are completely ok for a street car. They work cold and have a lot of torque.
I use both the PBR's and the HPS's on my car. They are pretty much similar, the PBR's are just a little less $$$ *$67.50 vs. $81 for HPS) and have a little different pedal feel. I pretty much use whatever I have on the shelf at the time, that's how similar they are. And I can't get PBR rears for some reason, so I use HPS rears. Some folks prefer the same pad, which makes it a no-brainer. But having used both a lot, I would be hard-pressed to tell you the difference, so it doesn't concern me a lick having PBR fronts and HPS rears. I actually have both here in stock right now, FWIW.
HP Pluses are much more powerful than HPS's or PBR's are, and they cost more and are a dirtier too. But they are completely ok for a street car. They work cold and have a lot of torque. I use both the PBR's and the HPS's on my car. They are pretty much similar, the PBR's are just a little less $$$ *$67.50 vs. $81 for HPS) and have a little different pedal feel. I pretty much use whatever I have on the shelf at the time, that's how similar they are. And I can't get PBR rears for some reason, so I use HPS rears. Some folks prefer the same pad, which makes it a no-brainer. But having used both a lot, I would be hard-pressed to tell you the difference, so it doesn't concern me a lick having PBR fronts and HPS rears. I actually have both here in stock right now, FWIW.
I prefer the superior brake pad here. Like I said, the car is a HIGHLY modded street car, and does a lot of high speed braking. It does make it to the track occasionly as well.
So are you saying the HP plus pads are better than any PBR pads? Or are the PBR Metal Masters the best?
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I really dont think there is too much of a difference between the pads, except preference and maybe some $$..I personally go with any ceramic pad and they have always done good on my Z. Right now I think I have friction masters. Work great for me and only $40 a set. Just my .02
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