who uses this product.I heard it is pretty messy.It turns powdery and is not easy to work with.Any comments on this.

 

The Z-12 is a mild abrasive used to break down the crud the builds up on the glass. It isn't a general use cleaner like Windex. It works great!!!

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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.

Louisville, KY

 

Hmmm, my Z12 has never turned powerdy... In fact, none of the Zaino products turns powdery after application. You simply rub it in, buff it out, and you are left with crystal clear glass. Occasionally, the residue doesn't seem to all come off the window, but after using Z6 or water it comes clean, so it's not a problem.

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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
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[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited August 08, 2002).]

 

So u just rub it on window and buff it off w/towel.I am getting this product in about an hour.Just want to make sure how to use it.Basically rub till it disappears then buff w/towel. Thanks dennis

 

Yeah, I use one of Sal's cotton applicators with Z12. You basically rub it into the glass until it starts disappearing. Let it dry for a minute or two, then buff it out with a clean towel. If you see any smearing or residue after buffing, don't panic, just use some water or detail spray and another clean towel. Should come perfectly clean!



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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
Show Car Shine by ZAINO! - Special Thanks to Sal Z!

 

Z-12 is made to remove surface defects, light scratches and water spotting. I use a slightly damp cotton cloth, put a dab of Z-12 on the cloth and rub pretty hard in a 6 inch circle, when the glass starts to squeak, that area is cleaned and needs to be buffed to remove the excess Z-12 and then move to the next spot.

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96 Black Impala SS
Authorized Zaino Showcar Polish Distributor
www.zainobros.com
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it's soooo much easier with a buffer and foam pad. takes about 5 minutes to do ALL the exterior windows and you only have to do it about every 6 months to remove scratches/waterspots

good luck

garett

 

I'm sorry but Z12 will not touch scratches in glass when applied by hand or with an orbital buffer. I tried both for an hour on some very light scratches and there was zero improvement.

Maybe with a high speed orbital polisher and ALOT of elbow grease Z12 would work but not with a buffer and no way by hand.

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Jason
93 TA, M6

 

You are correct. Z12 will not fix a scratched glass problem, nor is that its intended use. Z12 is primarily a cleaner and restorer for spotted, stained, excessively dirty, or filmed glass that won't come clean with normal glass cleaners. If you are looking for a product to restore scratched glass, the Eastwood company sells a polish for this purpose, which is made to be used with a high speed polisher. The Z12 helps with fine scratches, but anything heavier usually requires a glass compound.

I agree that using a buffer will enhance the cleaning ability of Z12, but will still do little for scratches.



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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
Show Car Shine by ZAINO! - Special Thanks to Sal Z!

[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited August 09, 2002).]

 

Yes, I agree with you but that is not how Sal advertises it on his website.

If this stuff isnt supposed to work on scratches then why is it advertized that way?

I must say of all the car care products I've used Z12 is the most disappointing. Yes it works well on hard waterspots but thats because its nothing more than a mild abrasive. I'm sure a plain rubbing compound would have basically the same effect for less $$$.


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Jason
93 TA, M6

 

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. But, one thing I've learned from Sal and his product descriptions is that they are usually very accurate. The product does help with fine scratches, but medium is pushing it, I agree, at least by the standard acceptance of a "medium" scratch. But, judging from the way Sal defines "scratches" in the past, I'm assuming he probably means a medium scratch is very light as well, and fine as almost nonexistent. I could be wrong, but this is the impression I have of Sal's meanings towards marring, from light to heavy. I've rarely seen him advise someone to use anything heavier than a light abrasive swirl remover even on medium to heavy scratching and swirling. In my mind, medium and heavy probably means using a rubbing compound for restoration, but Zaino, I think, defines things a little differently.

I certainly would never use something as harsh as a rubbing compound on glass, as the abrasives would likely cause severe scratching instead of removing it, similar to using them on a paint finish. Glass polishes act as fillers too, I believe, to restore scratched surfaces. At least, this is the way I understand it...



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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
Show Car Shine by ZAINO! - Special Thanks to Sal Z!

 

Anything that would require a more aggressive "polish" would very likely cause a noticeable distortion of the glass. So if you can catch your finger nail in it or "feel" it with your finger nail, it's very likely too deep to remove without some sort of aggressive glass polish and the resulting distortion.

I'd forgotten how well the Z12 works. It accomplishes it's task much more cleanly and faster than many other glass polish/cleaners you can get at the auto parts store.

Hmmm, guess I'll need to add that to my list of Zaino stuff I'm out of and need to order.

Jeff