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I've tried everything from Rain Dance to Zaino over the past 20 years. I currently use Zaino on one car and Formula 113 on the other.

Zaino is THE easist to get off by far. It is clear someone doesn't like Zaino. If you used it correctly, you would find it is simple to get on and off. Zaino lasts a long time and here in AZ, normal Carnuba wax lasts about 2 days in the summer, where as I can get a good 4-6 months out of a Zaino job.

The Formula 113 IMHO provides a better shine, but I know it doesn't last nearly as long. Zaino is also cheaper if used correctly (i.e. thin, thin, thin coats.) My thought when using Zaino is "If you feel you are putting the right amount on, you need to use 50% less"

I do not work for Zaino, I don't sell it and I never bought any from anyone on here. For my money it is the best for my daily driver and THE most cost effective (when user knows what they are doing).

Kevin V 2002 SS

Does Mequiars, Turtle Wax, Mothers, Zymol, etc. pay you to use their products???

I'm not a Zaino distributor either and I've been detailing for almost 35 years and have used dozens of different products over the years. Zaino is the best. Can you get a shine from wax, yes, and furniture polish etc. but if you are interested in a great shine, great protection and great durability, there is Zaino.

SweetZ28

Woah woah woah.....let me get this straight. Its not the unbelievable shine thats impressive about the Zaino, its the unbelieveable durability?

Hmmmmmm. I actually like getting out once a week and cleaning, claying, and waxing my car. So the durability isnt really an issue for me.

Can anyone tell me what I can expect from Zaino on a white car?

hcvone

Zaino shine sucks.

Darth Xed

:Insert Troll Smiley here:

I knew this guy was a troll from the beginning... already knowing Zaino wasn't any good before he even had it

Seriosuly, if you perfer a product, that's fine, but quit spewing out countless lines of BS and incorrect information.

You really have no clue what you are talking about.

MikeLS

Actually yes I am still LMFAO...

What I find so funny is that even compared to other CARNAUBA waxes, the Zymol is crap. You could do sooo much better even among carnauba waxes. Why not do the 3 step that MOST ALL carnauba manufacturers sell as the ultimate in shine and durability? Not to mention Zaino will destroy Zymol in shine and protection. Have you ever wondered how much protection you get from beewax?? Because that's about the most protection you get from the Zymol Zurtle wax. It's essentially like rubbing a honeycomb all over the paint! Virtually NO protection! Why does a cleaner wax shine so well? It's polishing your car with abrasives EVERY time you wax. Any expert will tell you that the polishing step is what produces a superior gloss, not waxing. They'll also tell you you shouldn't need to polish but once or twice a year at most. Yet every time you use the cleaner wax, you're using abrasives to polish, glaze and wax the car. Hell, at least choose a wax that has some carnauba in it!!

You think Zaino is hyped? Fine! Show me another product that can last longer than half a year, LAYER to increase that protection and shine, produce a show car shine, protect the car better from the elements than anything else out there, and is the easiest to use. You're right, I would never go 6 months without Zainoing the car. But, the fact remains, every time I add more Zaino it builds layers of polymer to increase protection. Your Zymol will AT MOST have one layer of beeswax at any given time. How easy do you think it is for beeswax to fade off the car or get eaten through?

You've really got everyting backwards. Zaino is the most unique product going because of its shine and durability. Do you really know WHY the Zymol shines? It's loaded with OILS, plain and simple oils. The same kind of oils you could find in any furniture polish. How unique is that? Consider yourself lucky that you waxed your car with a bunch of oil and a little beeswax.... Gee let's all go out and use oils to shine up the car, obviously that's where it's at!

And FYI that gurureports poll was open to anyone. I voted once and that's all it would let me vote. I did vote for multiple products on the poll about which waxes you currently use. But, I only voted for one in the poll about your favorite wax. So, discredit Zaino all you want. The fact is that it's consistently ranked #1 at most message boards, enthusiast sites, and wax tests all over the net. Funny I NEVER hear any mention about that zurtle wax from anyone, because most people know what it is and why it sucks. But, hey, it MUST be all hype if that many people are using it right? Guess so.... Obviously you have this little secret that Zurtle wax is better than Zaino, but it just hasn't got around to all the boards and tests yet right? And it never will. I wonder why.

And for the record, yeah I've talked with Sal. He's a great guy willing to help almost anyone. When's the last time you taked with the actual CREATOR and MANUFACTURER of Zymol and discussed car care or whatever? Let me guess, they told you your car needs to "breathe" and that polymers were created by the devil himself so they'll destroy your car's paint. That's usually their marketing gimmick for the day. Why do they tell you this? Because they are AFRAID that the polymer compaines are putting them out of business, And, thay are right! Sal's a walking dictionary on car care and his knowledge is far superior to most manufacturers out there. He's shared a little of that knowledge with me over time and you'd be surprised at the BS out there in this industry.

As Darth said though, it was pretty clear of your intent from the start. You bashed Zaino before you ever used it. And, I'm beginning to wonder if you actually DID use it.... If you did, you're totally missing the boat....

MikeLS

Noone is giving any false info about Zaino! What false info are you referring to? It outshines and outprotects almost everything out there. Period. If anyone is giving out bad info, it would be YOU. You can alter pics and give whatever info you want, that's the beauty of the net. All anyone goes on is word of mouth and trust. For all we know ALL of your pics are Zymol, or maybe none of them are even Zaino just so you can make your little fuss here. Who knows, who cares. But, there's good info and there's BS and I, like many, know which is which. I don't think you're going to get anyone to switch from using the best in protection to one with the worst....

Sal would be the last person you'd call? Heh, your loss....

And, about the comment to me....well, you are completely missing the boat, so I give up. I'm wasting time here. Good luck with your Zurtle! As long as you are happy, that's all that counts. There's a lot to be learned obviously, so I'd suggest you do a lot of research and testing yourself on serious car care for enthusiasts, instead of cleaner wax car care.... I'd challenge you to search 99% of the forums on the net related to SERIOUS car care and maitaining a show-like shine and see what you find. Not all of them prefer Zaino, which is fine, but virtually none of them who are serious about keeping the perfect finish use cleaner waxes. None. And, I guess that's the difference between you and me.

Good Day!

95BlackTA

Ohhh to be 12 again....

Lost

Wow, I haven't been to this forum in at least a month and I find.. of course.. "another zaino isn't the best" argument. This one is suprisingly long though.

Anyways, I'm going to have to side with the zaino guys when they bash the Zurtle wax... I personally have tried zymol products and they certainly are not all they are cracked up to be. They offer decent products at absolutely absorbent rates for the idiots who drive ferrari's and think that the most expensive product is surely the best (yes they have a wax specialy formulated for italian paint ) Then they turn around and offer a crap wax with their name on it to joe smoe who buys his car car products at autozone Don't get ripped! The Zurtle wax you're buying isn't even a wax - it is as many have already stated a polish - a chemical solvent. It removes oxidation and deposites/contaminants. This is why your paint is shiny. This is a process that should not need to be done very often IF you keep your paint well protected AFTER it is polished/cleaned.

BUT...

I don't use zaino. I don't use the zurtle wax either. I do agree with abpurplez28 when he says that he waxes his car more than once a month so he doesn't need a wax that lasts six months. I wax my car everytime I wash it - is that **** retentive? YES but that's how dad taught me and I am rewarded greatly for it - you should see the shine . The guy at the gas station last night asked me if my Z was in fact a 2003 (it's a '96).. hmm makes you feel good when you know just how crappy the paint was on the car when you bought it. While durability is low on my list, that doesn't mean I smear furniture polish on my car either though. I use klasse for protection and then several carnuba products for depth and shine and I find that I like the gloss and depth my car has better than any zaino'ed car I've seen (yes, it's black btw). Fact is people want different things from a wax and they like different kinds of shine.. A lot of people like what zaino has to offer and that's fine.. I don't and that's fine too. BUT I don't know of any informed detailing specialists that use the crap they sell at autozone ESPECIALLY the Zurtle wax. So to each his own.. BUT I suggest that you at least experiement with the detailing products at your disposal and remain open minded. I change the products and/or processes I use at least once or twice a year.

Why can't we all just get along?

Kevin V 2002 SS

So you've never used Zaino, but you are an expert on it, DAMN!!!! How'd you do that. That in itself shows you are full of BS and just trying to start stuff. Pretty pathetic aren't you.

When people talk about other products, the Zaino folks usually stay out of it, up until the Zaino bashing starts, then they jump in or unless a Zaino question is asked.

Zaino bashing by an idiot that has never used it is humorous and a few folks will jump in to keep the entertainment going. It is obvious you haven't got a clue.

To me the best things about Zaino is the durability and protection. With carnauba, one good rain and it is gone. Carnauba is fine for a garage queen. You think that Zaino users have never used anything but Zaino, most of us have used dozens of products, some of us since before you were born. To us only the best will do. If all we wanted was a cheap shine, like you do, just get out the furniture polish, it will last as long as a carnaub product. If we can find something better than Zaino we'll use it. Some of us actually test out other products on our beaters.

So what kind of car do you plan to get when you turn 16???

Darth Xed

This has been brought up before, and I believe the reason is because Sal doesn't want some pimply-faced kid at autozone or WalMart who has no clue about detailing to give someone the wrong stuff...

It also allows Zaino Bros. to have some level of control on the age of product that goes out to his consumers.

But, If you don't want to buy directly from Zaino Bros, you can buy from distributors, or Eckler's ( www.ecklers.com ) , but, in your opinion, Eckler's is probably part of the hype too, right? Even though they are one of the largest suppliers of Corvette parts and accesories.

MikeLS

Well said! This is the kind of thing I like to hear form anyone serious about keeping as near a perfect finish as possible with good protection. I've got both Klasse products as well, along with numerous others, and I can appreciate its place in the detailing wold. The Klasse AIO is great as a quick cleaner because its so easy to use, but I find the SG a bit tough IMO and don't use it much, and the shine isn't exactly what I like. But, just like you said, everyone likes something a little different. The Klasse+carnauba combo is a proven technique that produces outstanding results. No fault there at all.

I want to add one more thought about "waxing every 6 months" and the durability aspect of a product. There's no way I can go without waxing (or polishing actually ) at least once or twice a month, just depends on how much time I have. But, this doesn't mean I don't need a durable product that "can" last 10+ months on a few coats. Here's my point, the durability or longevity of any product is directly correlated with the protection of the paint. A product that lasts 1 month will not be protecting the paint well at all because it's just not strong. A product that lasts more than 6 months is protecting the paint very well, because of the strength of the contents. So, even if you wax every month, you are only as well protected as the strength of the product you are using. I don't "need" a product that can last for several months either, but the fact that the product is strong enough to last that long means I don't have to worry about the product even starting to fade away. So, how long a product lasts and how well its protecting your finish go hand in hand.

"Can't we all just get along?" Sure, just keep the BS to a minimum and everything's great! There are plenty of alternatives out there for people to use and share their experiences. But, there's no room for BS.

MikeLS

Well, thanks for hijacking the thread, but back on point, yes there are completely new Z products in the works, but unfortuantely it will be a good while before anything will hit the shelf due to testing and formulation. Coming from the best in car care, I know they'll be grrrrreat! Can't wait!

Darth Xed

I am hoping one product might be a high-gloss tire dressing.

Darth Xed

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Z16 is not a 'high gloss' tire dressing. It's a soft or satin sheen that doesn't sling off the tire.

Thanks for the words of wisdom though!