Formula 113 Bashers, READ
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Formula 113 Bashers, READ
OK, I don't see how come anyone can bash this product. I tried my free sample 3 weeks ago and it's the best I've used. I'll admit I haven't used Zaino, but at least you don't have to put on several coats and don't have to wait. I used to be A HUGE MEGUIAR'S fan, but after using this stuff never again. The hood has always been brighter and shinier than the rest of my car. Now the whole car shines like the hood. Check out this post I made for pics.
Oh, and I've talked to Michael and the product contains no abrasives like some have said. I don't see him lying cause that could be false advertisement.
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...&highlight=113
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Oh, and I've talked to Michael and the product contains no abrasives like some have said. I don't see him lying cause that could be false advertisement.
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...&highlight=113
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'86 IROC 350
Edelbrock Headers
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Hooker cat-back
Rebuilt 700R4
3:73 posi
B&M Megashifter
K&N airfilter
Accel HEI distributor
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Several coats? Several coats of Zaino to get a shine? Man are you wrong. One coat produces a good gloss. People put more than one coat on, because being a synthetic, Zaino layers on, and each coat will produce a better gloss. You can't do this with products like Formula 113, nor will you get the durability. Now, if Formula 113 contains no abrasives, how does it remove oxidation and other imperfections? I asked Michael that very question in another thread that got started on here, and he never answered. You can test for abrasives yourself. Just find a painted surface that is not clear coated, and wipe some of the 113 on it, like you were waxing your car, and look at the applicator and see if there is paint color on it.
You can use what you want, but I've used the carnauba and silicone products, some with cleaners (abrasives), and some without. In their day they were the best. But the synthetics are much better. Just do a google search on "carnauba wax" and you'll find out it doesn't last in heat, nor does it shine. That's what the silicone does, is provide the shine. Carnauba wax is also the main ingredient in candles, and candles melt. So much for durability.
You can use what you want, but I've used the carnauba and silicone products, some with cleaners (abrasives), and some without. In their day they were the best. But the synthetics are much better. Just do a google search on "carnauba wax" and you'll find out it doesn't last in heat, nor does it shine. That's what the silicone does, is provide the shine. Carnauba wax is also the main ingredient in candles, and candles melt. So much for durability.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mark A Shields:
Oh, and I've talked to Michael and the product contains no abrasives like some have said. I don't see him lying cause that could be false advertisement.
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Oh, and I've talked to Michael and the product contains no abrasives like some have said. I don't see him lying cause that could be false advertisement.
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I think Mr Prisco needs to seriously clear up some things about his products instead of trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. After all, were not ALL as dumb as he thinks...
And again, why are we comparing F113 to Zaino? Apples and oranges comparisons...one is abrasive, the other isn't, one is a regular run of the mill wax, the other is a unique polymeric synthetic, one contains bad silicones, the other is completely silicone and oil free, one can't layer, the other can, I could go on, but I think you get the idea...
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After a month my coat of Formula 113 is holding up very well, and it does a nice job on the swirl marks. It fills them in and dries clear, therefore no need to be abrasive to clearcoat/paint. And it applies easier than Zaino, and only 1 coat, not a big 3 day job for the full Zaino treatment.
Who cares if it lasts 2 years? I wax all my cars at least once a year, and with 9 vehicles that's a heck of a job!!
My vote goes to Formula 113, but it's a FREE country, do what you like, just don't force me to use Zaino again.
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...hreadid=114672
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Who cares if it lasts 2 years? I wax all my cars at least once a year, and with 9 vehicles that's a heck of a job!!
My vote goes to Formula 113, but it's a FREE country, do what you like, just don't force me to use Zaino again.
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/show...hreadid=114672
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89 TTA, 89IROC 5.7, 82Z28 CFI, 88 OLDS Cutlass 406TPI, & 5 T-Birds to balance the American Flag
also, 97 G2500 van "hauler"
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I try to stay out of these conversations but geezzzz!!!
Hahaha, I love it. Who "forced" you to use Zaino. "Wax" once a year. Three days to Zaino. PPLLEEEAAASSSSEEE!!! I quit using "wax" after being always frustrated with its severe limitations for 30 years. Zaino was the first thing that came close to meeting my high expectations. Wax melts, it washes off, it doesn't last, it doesn't protect, but yes it is shiny. You must think that prepping a car and claying is a Zaino thing, sad. Removing the old and claying is something that should be done regardless of the product you use IF you want the best results. So lets see, wash the car, dry the car, apply the Zaino, remove the Zaino, YUP it must take 3 days, good thing you don't do any of that with a carnauba product, the car washes itself, dries itself, applies itself and maintains it by itself. Zaino is far easier to use than anything I've used in over 30 years.
If you want to make a point, please at least sound credible, it is obvious you haven't got a clue about Zaino. Do you really think that all of us have only used Zaino and nothing else. Most of us have tried so many products we lost count.
At least you made one common sense statement, everyone should use what they like, that I agree with.
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Hahaha, I love it. Who "forced" you to use Zaino. "Wax" once a year. Three days to Zaino. PPLLEEEAAASSSSEEE!!! I quit using "wax" after being always frustrated with its severe limitations for 30 years. Zaino was the first thing that came close to meeting my high expectations. Wax melts, it washes off, it doesn't last, it doesn't protect, but yes it is shiny. You must think that prepping a car and claying is a Zaino thing, sad. Removing the old and claying is something that should be done regardless of the product you use IF you want the best results. So lets see, wash the car, dry the car, apply the Zaino, remove the Zaino, YUP it must take 3 days, good thing you don't do any of that with a carnauba product, the car washes itself, dries itself, applies itself and maintains it by itself. Zaino is far easier to use than anything I've used in over 30 years.
If you want to make a point, please at least sound credible, it is obvious you haven't got a clue about Zaino. Do you really think that all of us have only used Zaino and nothing else. Most of us have tried so many products we lost count.
At least you made one common sense statement, everyone should use what they like, that I agree with.
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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.
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LMFAO!!
You must really know your Zaino, 3 days for the full Z treatment??!! Yeah, it may take a couple days to properly PREP the surface, but this should be done regardless of what products you use, so that has nothing to do with Zaino directly. Zaino itself can easily be done in one day (even multiple coats), usually an hour or two, max. Have you even used the stuff? Hahaha, this is too funny. Zaino can easily and quickly be applied in one coat, as fast or faster than anything else available. And, you wax your cars once a year!!?? Gimme a break, you're perfect for F113 then. Most enthusiasts that are serious about car care "wax" their cars every month at least, sometimes much more often for the FUN of it, not because it needs it. Yeah, it can actually be fun, how about that, who would have thunk it....?
Welcome to the world of SERIOUS car care, where there's more to a wax than shine alone!!
And please tell us all who FORCED you to use Zaino? I'm dying to hear, this is too funny!
All this F113 crap is really starting to get funny as hell! Trying to sell us on a CLEANER/WAX of all things...come back when you have a real enthusiasts product, and we'll be a bit more interested... For once a year waxers, I'd certainly recommend a cleaner/wax, but it sure wouldn't be F113...
LMAO!!
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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
Show Car Shine by ZAINO! - Special Thanks to Sal Z!
[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited July 25, 2002).]
You must really know your Zaino, 3 days for the full Z treatment??!! Yeah, it may take a couple days to properly PREP the surface, but this should be done regardless of what products you use, so that has nothing to do with Zaino directly. Zaino itself can easily be done in one day (even multiple coats), usually an hour or two, max. Have you even used the stuff? Hahaha, this is too funny. Zaino can easily and quickly be applied in one coat, as fast or faster than anything else available. And, you wax your cars once a year!!?? Gimme a break, you're perfect for F113 then. Most enthusiasts that are serious about car care "wax" their cars every month at least, sometimes much more often for the FUN of it, not because it needs it. Yeah, it can actually be fun, how about that, who would have thunk it....?
Welcome to the world of SERIOUS car care, where there's more to a wax than shine alone!! And please tell us all who FORCED you to use Zaino? I'm dying to hear, this is too funny!
All this F113 crap is really starting to get funny as hell! Trying to sell us on a CLEANER/WAX of all things...come back when you have a real enthusiasts product, and we'll be a bit more interested... For once a year waxers, I'd certainly recommend a cleaner/wax, but it sure wouldn't be F113...
LMAO!!
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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
Show Car Shine by ZAINO! - Special Thanks to Sal Z!
[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited July 25, 2002).]
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"My vote goes to Formula 113, but it's a FREE country, do what you like, just don't force me to use Zaino again."
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves--Forcing this poor guy to use Zaino.
"It fills them in and dries clear, therefore no need to be abrasive to clearcoat/paint."
Hello--McFly...Formula 113 contains abrasives...perhaps you never visited the F113 website. Look at the pictures in this link: http://www.formula113.com/Before_after.htm
Please explain to all of us how the product transformed this car from oxidized to polished and shiny if it contains no abrasives/cleaners that remove paint.
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves--Forcing this poor guy to use Zaino.
"It fills them in and dries clear, therefore no need to be abrasive to clearcoat/paint."
Hello--McFly...Formula 113 contains abrasives...perhaps you never visited the F113 website. Look at the pictures in this link: http://www.formula113.com/Before_after.htm
Please explain to all of us how the product transformed this car from oxidized to polished and shiny if it contains no abrasives/cleaners that remove paint.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rockster:
Please explain to all of us how the product transformed this car from oxidized to polished and shiny if it contains no abrasives/cleaners that remove paint.</font>
Please explain to all of us how the product transformed this car from oxidized to polished and shiny if it contains no abrasives/cleaners that remove paint.</font>
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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
Show Car Shine by ZAINO! - Special Thanks to Sal Z!
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I think we might be under attack from the Formula113 site... 
Maybe it's just me, but all these Formula113 fanatics have like 5 posts each...
Like i said before... Ask for a copy of the MSDS sheet. They are REQUIRED BY LAW to supply that.
If the MSDS sheet does not support their claims, then someone will be held accountable... either by false advertising, or by failing to supply MSDS sheets.
Maybe it's just me, but all these Formula113 fanatics have like 5 posts each...
Like i said before... Ask for a copy of the MSDS sheet. They are REQUIRED BY LAW to supply that.
If the MSDS sheet does not support their claims, then someone will be held accountable... either by false advertising, or by failing to supply MSDS sheets.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Xed:
I think we might be under attack from the Formula113 site...
Maybe it's just me, but all these Formula113 fanatics have like 5 posts each...
Like i said before... Ask for a copy of the MSDS sheet. They are REQUIRED BY LAW to supply that.
If the MSDS sheet does not support their claims, then someone will be held accountable... either by false advertising, or by failing to supply MSDS sheets.</font>
I think we might be under attack from the Formula113 site...
Maybe it's just me, but all these Formula113 fanatics have like 5 posts each...
Like i said before... Ask for a copy of the MSDS sheet. They are REQUIRED BY LAW to supply that.
If the MSDS sheet does not support their claims, then someone will be held accountable... either by false advertising, or by failing to supply MSDS sheets.</font>
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