Blitz Wax over Zaino, my review
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Blitz Wax over Zaino, my review
OK, I finally got to try out OG Blitz pure carnauba wax over my 20+ coats of Zaino. So far, I really like the results. Blitz adds another dimension to the Zaino shine and greater depth to the finish.
Application: I applied Blitz with a foam app and it went on really smooth and easy. Dries and frosts in about 5 to 10 minutes and buff off. It's just a tad harder to buff off than Zaino, but we all know Zaino is a breeze to buff out. Overall, a VERY easy carnauba wax to work with. Much easier than the Meguiar's I've used in past years.
Results: Here's some pix I took after Blitz. Scroll down a tad for the new pix. http://mls77.homestead.com/files.html I applied Blitz to the whole car, except the lower side panels (below the door mouldings).
Overall, I'm well pleased with this fine product. However, for the average Zaino-er, I would NOT recommend adding carnauba over Zaino. You will NOT be able to add more coats of Zaino after the carnauba wax is applied, until it is stripped off. I feel I've got enough protection from my Zaino coats to last quite a while, so I thought I would experiment a little. And, I'm glad I did....
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20% 3M Panther Black Tint
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Application: I applied Blitz with a foam app and it went on really smooth and easy. Dries and frosts in about 5 to 10 minutes and buff off. It's just a tad harder to buff off than Zaino, but we all know Zaino is a breeze to buff out. Overall, a VERY easy carnauba wax to work with. Much easier than the Meguiar's I've used in past years.
Results: Here's some pix I took after Blitz. Scroll down a tad for the new pix. http://mls77.homestead.com/files.html I applied Blitz to the whole car, except the lower side panels (below the door mouldings).
Overall, I'm well pleased with this fine product. However, for the average Zaino-er, I would NOT recommend adding carnauba over Zaino. You will NOT be able to add more coats of Zaino after the carnauba wax is applied, until it is stripped off. I feel I've got enough protection from my Zaino coats to last quite a while, so I thought I would experiment a little. And, I'm glad I did....
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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
20% 3M Panther Black Tint
ZAINO! - Perfect Shine in Less Time!
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Sal Zaino on carnauba waxes:
The truth of the matter is Carnauba is a, dark yellow, brittle wax. It
has no durability. It also has no high shine. In reality it's actually a
dull wax. It is not optically perfect and leaves a film (haze) on the
paint finish. If you took two identical colored cars and placed them
side by side. The one with Zaino would be the true color. The other car
would have a slightly different tint to it.
What you are seeing with Carnauba is a combination of carnauba wax,
polyethylene wax, paraffin wax and the key gloss ingredient SILICONE
OIL.
Silicone oil is inexpensive, greasy, smeary, not durable, but shines
like crazy. Just try Pledge furniture polish on your car. Voila same
shine. Hmm. Pledge is loaded with silicone oil, so is Armor All tire
dressing. Did you ever notice how greasy, smeary and dusty, furniture
looks with Pledge on it. How soon does your car get dusty after you
polish/wax with your favorite product????? When does the gloss start to drop???
I already know..Now here's the best part. Silicone oil and other oils are an essential
ingredient of Carnauba based products. It's the only way to achieve a
shine. That's why it's used in all Carnauba based polish/wax. However,
it has no durability, does not last and it attracts dust and dirt like a
magnet and once dust settles on it, it sticks to it. Dust on paint
causes tiny Swirls and Scratches. Also Carnauba is very brittle. It will
not stay on the paint surface for any length of time. Most of the time
less than 3 weeks....... The sun also effects Carnauba based products.
The sunnier and hotter it gets, the faster it deteriorates. Remember wax
melts and oils tend to migrate to the surface and evaporate... Sad but
true.
Fact: On a sunny 80 degree day, the surface temperature of black paint
will reach 149 degrees and go up to 198 degrees if the ambient temp
reaches 90. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what
happens to the wax.
When designing and formulating a polish. These are just a few of the
factors that you want to avoid.
Show Car polish has a wet looking gloss, incredible durability, water
beads like crazy, is not effected by the sun and does not attract dust
or dirt. There are no oils, abrasives or wax in Zaino. Nothing sticks
to Zaino Show Car polish.
I am probably the most **** person when it comes to optically enhanced
paint finishes and protection and polish/wax. I've tested over 300
polish/wax to date. Nothing even comes close to the Zaino system.
Meguiars on carnauba waxes:
Truth of the matter is, a product does not have to have carnauba in it to have paint
protection. Synthetic products are taking over as they have way, way more protection and durability on a painted surface as they hold up to heat much better than carnauba, like Mobil 1 holds up to heat better than dino oil.
Check out the April 2000 issue of Motor Trend in an article named "Paint Care Myths
and Reality"
I am direct quoting here:
Motor Trend question "A wax made of 100 percent “pure” carnauba is superior to those
using lessor amounts?"
Answer by Mike Pennington, director of training for Meguiars "Carnauba wax has been a favorite among car enthusiasts for years, but don't believe than any wax is made of 100
percent carnauba. As the hardest natural wax known, carnauba is much too hard to apply
directly to automotive paint. It comes in bricks that must be melted and added to a
company's formulation. If a paint protectant advertises "pure carnauba," it means the part
of the formulation that is carnauba is pure, not that it's 100 percent carnauba. According
to Pennington, todays synthetic polymer technology actually provides better protection than carnauba"
The truth of the matter is Carnauba is a, dark yellow, brittle wax. It
has no durability. It also has no high shine. In reality it's actually a
dull wax. It is not optically perfect and leaves a film (haze) on the
paint finish. If you took two identical colored cars and placed them
side by side. The one with Zaino would be the true color. The other car
would have a slightly different tint to it.
What you are seeing with Carnauba is a combination of carnauba wax,
polyethylene wax, paraffin wax and the key gloss ingredient SILICONE
OIL.
Silicone oil is inexpensive, greasy, smeary, not durable, but shines
like crazy. Just try Pledge furniture polish on your car. Voila same
shine. Hmm. Pledge is loaded with silicone oil, so is Armor All tire
dressing. Did you ever notice how greasy, smeary and dusty, furniture
looks with Pledge on it. How soon does your car get dusty after you
polish/wax with your favorite product????? When does the gloss start to drop???
I already know..Now here's the best part. Silicone oil and other oils are an essential
ingredient of Carnauba based products. It's the only way to achieve a
shine. That's why it's used in all Carnauba based polish/wax. However,
it has no durability, does not last and it attracts dust and dirt like a
magnet and once dust settles on it, it sticks to it. Dust on paint
causes tiny Swirls and Scratches. Also Carnauba is very brittle. It will
not stay on the paint surface for any length of time. Most of the time
less than 3 weeks....... The sun also effects Carnauba based products.
The sunnier and hotter it gets, the faster it deteriorates. Remember wax
melts and oils tend to migrate to the surface and evaporate... Sad but
true.
Fact: On a sunny 80 degree day, the surface temperature of black paint
will reach 149 degrees and go up to 198 degrees if the ambient temp
reaches 90. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what
happens to the wax.
When designing and formulating a polish. These are just a few of the
factors that you want to avoid.
Show Car polish has a wet looking gloss, incredible durability, water
beads like crazy, is not effected by the sun and does not attract dust
or dirt. There are no oils, abrasives or wax in Zaino. Nothing sticks
to Zaino Show Car polish.
I am probably the most **** person when it comes to optically enhanced
paint finishes and protection and polish/wax. I've tested over 300
polish/wax to date. Nothing even comes close to the Zaino system.
Meguiars on carnauba waxes:
Truth of the matter is, a product does not have to have carnauba in it to have paint
protection. Synthetic products are taking over as they have way, way more protection and durability on a painted surface as they hold up to heat much better than carnauba, like Mobil 1 holds up to heat better than dino oil.
Check out the April 2000 issue of Motor Trend in an article named "Paint Care Myths
and Reality"
I am direct quoting here:
Motor Trend question "A wax made of 100 percent “pure” carnauba is superior to those
using lessor amounts?"
Answer by Mike Pennington, director of training for Meguiars "Carnauba wax has been a favorite among car enthusiasts for years, but don't believe than any wax is made of 100
percent carnauba. As the hardest natural wax known, carnauba is much too hard to apply
directly to automotive paint. It comes in bricks that must be melted and added to a
company's formulation. If a paint protectant advertises "pure carnauba," it means the part
of the formulation that is carnauba is pure, not that it's 100 percent carnauba. According
to Pennington, todays synthetic polymer technology actually provides better protection than carnauba"
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Hey Kevin,
Yeah, I'm pretty much aware of most all of those facts about carnauba waxes. I would never go back to just using carnauba alone without some sort of sealant under it for protection. To clarify a little, I did not add the carnauba for it's extra protection or durability. Blitz is known for adding amazing depth and warmth, which was what I was after. I figure combine the high shine of Zaino with the depth of Blitz and BAM, a killer shine.
From what I know, Blitz will only last about 6 to 12 weeks tops. No bigee though, since I'm using it for it's appearance properties only.
[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited January 30, 2002).]
Yeah, I'm pretty much aware of most all of those facts about carnauba waxes. I would never go back to just using carnauba alone without some sort of sealant under it for protection. To clarify a little, I did not add the carnauba for it's extra protection or durability. Blitz is known for adding amazing depth and warmth, which was what I was after. I figure combine the high shine of Zaino with the depth of Blitz and BAM, a killer shine.
From what I know, Blitz will only last about 6 to 12 weeks tops. No bigee though, since I'm using it for it's appearance properties only.
[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited January 30, 2002).]
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MikeLS:
Hey Kevin,
Yeah, I'm pretty much aware of most all of those facts about carnauba waxes. I would never go back to just using carnauba alone without some sort of sealant under it for protection. To clarify a little, I did not add the carnauba for it's extra protection or durability. Blitz is known for adding amazing depth and warmth, which was what I was after. I figure combine the high shine of Zaino with the depth of Blitz and BAM, a killer shine.
From what I know, Blitz will only last about 6 to 12 weeks tops. No bigee though, since I'm using it for it's appearance properties only.
[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited January 30, 2002).]</font>
Hey Kevin,
Yeah, I'm pretty much aware of most all of those facts about carnauba waxes. I would never go back to just using carnauba alone without some sort of sealant under it for protection. To clarify a little, I did not add the carnauba for it's extra protection or durability. Blitz is known for adding amazing depth and warmth, which was what I was after. I figure combine the high shine of Zaino with the depth of Blitz and BAM, a killer shine.
From what I know, Blitz will only last about 6 to 12 weeks tops. No bigee though, since I'm using it for it's appearance properties only.
[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited January 30, 2002).]</font>
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[This message has been edited by KevinSS (edited January 30, 2002).]
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Hey Mike, I read your post over at autopia(i'm not a memeber but just read it). I use Blitz over Zaino too. Gives it a different look that you just can't get with a polymer. Keep up the experiments and have fun with your car. Its what its there for.
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Mike, Just wanted you to know, I've noticed you have posted results, and am going to pay attention to this thread now that you and Kev are going back and forth. 
PS Kev, I just pulled out my April 2000 issue of Motor Trend and am about to start reading.
Thanks Guys.
Jeff
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1996 Black Z28 M6; Stock.
1994 S10 4X4.
PS Kev, I just pulled out my April 2000 issue of Motor Trend and am about to start reading.
Thanks Guys.
Jeff
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I haven't seen a post like this in a long time. Why would anybody put a carnuba product over the top of Zaino, defeating the purpose of using Zaino in the first place. To add a coat of Zaino you'd also have to wash with Dawn to remove the carnuba. Now I have several coats of Zaino on my car and I can shave in the reflection. The shine on my car, with Zaino only, is better than any I EVER got with any carnuba product in over 30 years of polishing my own cars.
Carnuba doesn't last, it puts oils onto the car that the paint does NOT need, it covers up the real color of the paint. Yes it is shiny but then so is furniture polish. The info about carnuba that KevinSS posted is all true.
No I am NOT a Zaino distributor, just experienced, yes, I'm old.
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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.
Louisville, KY
Carnuba doesn't last, it puts oils onto the car that the paint does NOT need, it covers up the real color of the paint. Yes it is shiny but then so is furniture polish. The info about carnuba that KevinSS posted is all true.
No I am NOT a Zaino distributor, just experienced, yes, I'm old.
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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.
Louisville, KY
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I know carnaubas, like Blitz, have oils in them to carry the carnauba to the paint and provide extra shine. The point is, I've been using Zaino now for a couple years, and I'm ready and willing to try other products and/or methods to see if I get improved results. I knew going into it that adding this wax over Zaino was a cardinal sin, but how will I know if I don't try. Yeah, Zaino is a great product, probably the best I've used, but I'm never satisfied, always thinking there may be something better. And, all I know is what I see and feel. I see that Blitz is very shiny over Zaino and super slick. I like it for now, and it's no big deal as it can easily be removed.
Really, I mean, what's the fun in Zaino when you've already got so many coats layered, like I do, that adding another coat really doesn't do anything visually. Yeah, it adds protection, but I've already got that. And that's why it's fun to experiment....
Really, I mean, what's the fun in Zaino when you've already got so many coats layered, like I do, that adding another coat really doesn't do anything visually. Yeah, it adds protection, but I've already got that. And that's why it's fun to experiment....
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MikeLS:
but I'm never satisfied</font>
but I'm never satisfied</font>
Call me the negative Zaino member, but I can't see a reflective difference between Zaino and any wax?? I can't.
That's why when so many people come on here and say I can't beleive the difference, I can't beleive the shine, I'm thinking to myself, "Really" are you sure you don't just want to believe that it's better.
Zaino, to me is good simply because it is easier to apply and apparently lasts longer. But I am NOT visibly sold on it.
Like you Mike, if something works better for me than Zaino, then it's worth a shot.
PS. By now, I'm SURE that a lot of people are tired of my negative attitude, but I'm still not satisfied....yet. I'd love to be though.
Peace.
Jeff
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Captain Jeff Z28:
Exactly how I think...only I'm still not satisfied by the "Greatness" of Zaino yet.
Call me the negative Zaino member, but I can't see a reflective difference between Zaino and any wax?? I can't.
That's why when so many people come on here and say I can't beleive the difference, I can't beleive the shine, I'm thinking to myself, "Really" are you sure you don't just want to believe that it's better.
Zaino, to me is good simply because it is easier to apply and apparently lasts longer. But I am NOT visibly sold on it.
Like you Mike, if something works better for me than Zaino, then it's worth a shot.
PS. By now, I'm SURE that a lot of people are tired of my negative attitude, but I'm still not satisfied....yet. I'd love to be though.
Peace.
Jeff
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Exactly how I think...only I'm still not satisfied by the "Greatness" of Zaino yet.
Call me the negative Zaino member, but I can't see a reflective difference between Zaino and any wax?? I can't.
That's why when so many people come on here and say I can't beleive the difference, I can't beleive the shine, I'm thinking to myself, "Really" are you sure you don't just want to believe that it's better.
Zaino, to me is good simply because it is easier to apply and apparently lasts longer. But I am NOT visibly sold on it.
Like you Mike, if something works better for me than Zaino, then it's worth a shot.
PS. By now, I'm SURE that a lot of people are tired of my negative attitude, but I'm still not satisfied....yet. I'd love to be though.
Peace.
Jeff
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by KevinSS:
Captain Jeff, if you could see my black car in person as Kevin V has, I assure you would be satisfied (wink, wink)
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Captain Jeff, if you could see my black car in person as Kevin V has, I assure you would be satisfied (wink, wink)
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I am going to give detailing this year, my absolute best effort. Everything I possibly can.
I'm not quitting.Jeff
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YUP, I've seen his and he's seen my SS. In fact I had my SS set up at his Zaino booth at the 35th F-Bod B-Day Bash at the corvette museum last September. I ended up taking 2nd place in the people's choice, deciding only to enter at the last minute, urged on by KevinSS and a few folks in the KY F-Bodies club. Its very flattering when people stop and get their pictures taken with your car.
The beauty of Zaino, the more coats you put on it the better and better and better ..... it looks.
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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.
Louisville, KY
The beauty of Zaino, the more coats you put on it the better and better and better ..... it looks.
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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.
Louisville, KY
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