a lot of folks have asked to see how KLASSE looks, so here is the most recent example of my twice annual KLASSE application:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...1/fd72a797.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...2/fd726bb2.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...e/fd72aa6a.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...f/fd72aa6c.jpg


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BLK 94 TRANS AM M6
B&B TRIFLOW CAT-BACK
SLP-CAI
GRANATELLI M.A.F.S.
T/B COOLANT BYPASS
SLP T/B AIRFOIL
SLP SKIP-SHIFT-ELIM.
BMR S.T.B.
CHARCOAL LEATHER,T-TOPS,
EVERY FACTORY OPTION
CHROME SLP WS-6 17 X 9 WHEELS & 275/40/17 GOODYEAR EAGLE F1's
HARWOOD WS-6 HOOD

 

Looks great, of course!!

I'm sold....wait, I already have the K stuff too... Ah, who cares, nice work foxbat, keep it up!

Are you using any topper currently or straight Klasse?? Looks to me like pure Klasse judging from the first two shots, which shows the brightness of the product...but, as always, I could be wrong.

Mike


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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
Show Car Shine by ZAINO! - Special Thanks to Sal Z!


[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited August 04, 2002).]

 

correct mike!! pure KLASSE, i decided against the P21S caranuba on top on SG cuz it diminished the clarity, so i stuck to the old pure Klasse method. only three coats on what you see in the pics.

c-ya bud



[This message has been edited by foxbat (edited August 04, 2002).]

 

Hey foxbat,

I was wondering if you have ever used Zaino on your car? If so, I would like your opinion on how Zaino and Klasse compare in terms of durability, shine, ease of use etc...

These were my thoughts on the two products having used both.... http://web.camaross.com/bb/Forum10/HTML/004125.html

The Klasse leaves a nice shine, much like the pix of your car, but I found Zaino to be more durable, easier to use, offers more protection, and I prefer the shine over Klasse, which is purely subjective of course. So, I was just wondering how you would compare the two products objectively on your car...??

Mike


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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
Show Car Shine by ZAINO! - Special Thanks to Sal Z!

 

hi mike,

i personally have not used zaino, however i've been privy to a few sessions of zaino applications and results adminsitered by close friends. this is partially the reason i prefer KLASSE, bacause in my opinion KLASSE is a lot less involved than the multi-step zaino approach. the drying time restrictions for zaino is also a non-desirable factor for my liking.

as for durability, i truly believe they are relatively on par, becuase six months after i do a klasse application there is still plenty of beading on my paint, as is roughly the same for my buddies zaino'd cars with similar vehicle usage as mine.

as for shine, you correctly stated it is very subjective. i prefer the wetness and ultra deep slick gloss of klasse to the zaino shine. to me the zaino shine just does not look as rich and deep as klasse, but to each his own.

i'm not averse to trying zaino on my car, so perhaps after my current klasse bottles run dry, i'll give zaino a shot and have a first hand report on pros/cons of each as they apply to me.

peace bro

 

As far as the multiple steps of zaino, hmmm. The prep work of removing the old and claying should be done regardless of the product you use, for the best results, it isn't even a Zaino thing. With the ZFX additive, let's see, apply it, let it dry, remove it. With the ZFX, if applied properly, the spot you started is dry by the time you finish applying it to the entire car. Now granted, washing the car is a step and if you like using detailers, I guess that could be a step too.

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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.

Louisville, KY

 

I just started using Klasse about a month ago, I really like the way it shines on my 87T/A and 78T/A,Lookes good on red and black cars.

 

good man!!

 

sorry dude, but that ZFX process alone does not nearly represent the amount of other Z2/Z5 and other stuff i see my friends playing with every time they do their cars. plus, i've read from sal zaino himself where he recommends (or cannot control due to temperature) hours of dry/cure times for some of his products, so i guess we'll just have to "agree to disagree" on this one.

 

Keep in mind though that ZFX is a one of a kind product, developed after years of testing and research. There is nothing like it on the market anywhere that allows multiple coats of a layerable sealant to be applied back to back with fast drying times, and zero cure time.


Sure, it's an "extra" product, but where else are you gonna find something that equals its performance? ZFX is truly one of a kind...and, it's available as an option rather than a necessity.

fox,
I'm not trying to argue with you, just thought I'd add another dimension to the debate. I can appreciate Klasse, as I've used it too, but it does have its limits as well...

Take Care,
Mike


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*Mike's 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniv.*
Dark Red Metallic (ext.) / Flame Red (int.)
Flowmaster Crossflow, K&N, 20% 3M Panther Black Tint
JL Audio 3 10", PPI PC2100, Kenwood eXcelon KRC-953H/U, Kenwood / Pioneer speakers
Show Car Shine by ZAINO! - Special Thanks to Sal Z!



[This message has been edited by MikeLS (edited August 07, 2002).]

 

Wanting to add more and more coats to increase the shine, durability and protection is optional, not required. Zaino is great with 1 coat, it just gets better and better, with additional coats.

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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.

Louisville, KY

 

With the ZFX Zaino may be faster than before, but that still does not take into account that Zaino must be used with Z6 and Z7 for it to work as advertised. My Zaino experience has not been good, so maybe I'm the odd set of circumstances that Zaino can't handle, although what those are I don't know.

I can say this for Klasse. I don't have to buy special detailer and special car wash to keep it in shape. For me, it has outlasted my multi-coat Zaino jobs hands down, takes less effort and $$ to maintain, and looks very, very, nearly as good.
It doesn't hurt that I can get it through work at a discount.

As I promised MikeLS, I will be trying Zaino again on the car this winter (a different batch) but it will have to really perform to get me to switch from Klasse.

Jeff

 

mike i hear you loud and clear bro i think you and i both are at a level of maturity to sensibly discuss these products without ever getting into an argument or flames

all i was trying to point out was the same thing 97BlackT/A just mentioned: even with ZFX you still need additional zaino products to get the process correct. not so with KLASSE. one application of AIO and one aplication of SG and you're set!

later boys

 

So are saying using a car wash is not a good idea. Don't you use a car wash to wash your car. Z-7 is a car wash. The Z-6 is also optional, not absolutely necessary. Most every top product has their own wash, their own detailer, etc. Exactly what was the point or problem with using a car wash or a detailer.


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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.

Louisville, KY

 

OK Kevin, I don't know how you intended that to sound, but it doesn't sound good to me. I expected much better than that from you.
Don't put words in my mouth, and don't get your panties in a bunch because I don't care for Zaino. If you have an issue with that posting, or some doubt about where I'm coming from concerning my Zaino experiences then do a search on my postings (Upset/Dissapointed with Zaino? tell us about it!)for the low down. I'm not going down that road again.

Yes, I use a car wash soap. I am not an idiot.

Will I pay big Zaino $$ + shipping for it? NO. Why? Because no matter how much effort I put into my Zaino, it did not hold up to only a few days of wet Oregon driving conditions. If Zaino is so darn good, it shouldn't NEED it's own wash just to hold up.
I have used the Z7 and Z6, and they helped some. But I bought the Zaino to save time and effort, not work harder. It took so much effort to maintain the Zaino I might as well have saved my money. So I do.

This car is my preferred daily driver. It gets 250 miles per week getting me to and from work plus whatever I drive on the weekend. 77k miles on the odometer and I get compliments on its appearance all the time.

Go here for pictures from 8-10-02:

http://groups.msn.com/TeamNWCruise/a...se.msnw?Page=1

Pictures 25,26,44,46,54 plus misc.

Clay barred and Klasse All in One Feb of '02, only detail spray and wash since. The car is dirty in these pics!

So, Klasse works for me where Zaino failed. We use it on heavy lift helicopters where I work and it holds up to conditions no F-body will ever see on a regular basis.


Jeff