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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Zone:
Dolby109,
The main purpose is when you are shifting the trans like an absolute maniac.
When I would treat the trans with respect I would never miss a gear. It seamed like every time it counted, 3rd gear became a problem.
In my case, I think I would move the shifter foreward when it was in between 3rd and 5th. There is a gate under the middle cover of the trans that forces the shifter into 3rd or 5th. But before it gets forced, the pin that actually grabs the 3/4 or 5/6 rail is already heading in the middle of them. Once it started its path down the middle it couldn't return. The result was the shifter would be solidly in 3rd gear but neither the 3/4 or 5/6 rails were ingaged. Just from the feel of the shifter you could tell something was bending.
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Dolby109,
The main purpose is when you are shifting the trans like an absolute maniac.
When I would treat the trans with respect I would never miss a gear. It seamed like every time it counted, 3rd gear became a problem.
In my case, I think I would move the shifter foreward when it was in between 3rd and 5th. There is a gate under the middle cover of the trans that forces the shifter into 3rd or 5th. But before it gets forced, the pin that actually grabs the 3/4 or 5/6 rail is already heading in the middle of them. Once it started its path down the middle it couldn't return. The result was the shifter would be solidly in 3rd gear but neither the 3/4 or 5/6 rails were ingaged. Just from the feel of the shifter you could tell something was bending.
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From: Livonia, MI, U.S.A
Sorry to here that your trans is doing it, I'm happy to here I'm not the only one though.
Every time it's happend to me I get the frustrating comment, Oh you can't shift.
By the way, if this lock out doesn't fix this particular problem, I also came up with an idea to reinforce the pin so it can't bend. I did it to my trans. The only problem is it involves completely disassembling the trans and welding a boss to the side of the case.
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56
Every time it's happend to me I get the frustrating comment, Oh you can't shift.
By the way, if this lock out doesn't fix this particular problem, I also came up with an idea to reinforce the pin so it can't bend. I did it to my trans. The only problem is it involves completely disassembling the trans and welding a boss to the side of the case.
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56
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I'll be driving it this weekend, so I'll see if it happens again. Maybe being aware of the problem will help me avoid it.
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75th Anniversary Berger SS #21.
Black w/ red stripes.
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Just an update. Finally finished them. I'll drop them off tomorrow to get heat treated. They said it would be a one day turn around. Not sure maybe two with the holiday. I made five of them, hopfully all of them make it through the heat treat process.
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56
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i will be in the livonia area tomorrow, call me if they are done....lol!!!!
shoot me an email when they are ready.
have you thought of cryogenic freezing? there is a place in windsor that does it. let me know?
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shoot me an email when they are ready.
have you thought of cryogenic freezing? there is a place in windsor that does it. let me know?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by taner:
i will be in the livonia area tomorrow, call me if they are done....lol!!!!
shoot me an email when they are ready.
have you thought of cryogenic freezing? there is a place in windsor that does it. let me know?
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i will be in the livonia area tomorrow, call me if they are done....lol!!!!
shoot me an email when they are ready.
have you thought of cryogenic freezing? there is a place in windsor that does it. let me know?
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If there is a cryogenic process that strenghtens though let me know. I haven't heard of it and would like to look into it some more!
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I droped them off at a place that works 24 hrs. They should be done tonight. They are shutting down for the holiday early tomorrow. If I get there before 10 I should have them.
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56
[This message has been edited by Zone (edited July 04, 2002).]
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Sorry guys, I called this morning at 8:00, to see if they were done. They are done, problem is they close at 8:30 not 10:00. I'm in Livonia, the place is in Madison Hgts, I would have had to drive 120 to get there in time. I'll have to wait until Monday to get them.
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56
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OK, I have 5 of them ready to go. If you guys are still interested, then drop me an email. Can either pick up from my house or I can ship them.
Thanks
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56, 4L60E transplant is almost complete!
Thanks
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56, 4L60E transplant is almost complete!
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From: Windsor, Canada: Home of the FASTEST LT1 & LS1 6 spds :)
NOte: to the users of this lockout, mine is in and will be put through the paces tonight @ Grand Bend, one thing I experienced is I blew my fuse for the fan (10 amp) I upgraded to a 15 amp fuse, hopefully this will suffice. the fan and lockout are on the same fuse. I will post back if the 15 amp fuse is not enuff.
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From: Livonia, MI, U.S.A
Taner,
The resistance on the lockout solenoid is 13.4 ohms which means it will draw about 1 amp when it is on. I wasn't sure if the factory PCM was fully turning on the soleniod or duty cycling it. Since you're blowing fuses I suspect it was duty cycling it.
I looked up the circuit. Both fans, the EVAP canister purge soleniod, exhaust gas recirc motor, and the reverse lockout are all on the same fuse.
PLEASE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON THAT FUSE! I don't want the lockout to end up overheating your engine or burning out your fans. I appriciate you testing it, but the last thing I want is to damage something.
If your feedback is positive, then Monday I'll talk to one of the engineers at work about comming up with a circuit board to duty cycle the soleniod. It should significantly lower the 1 amp current draw.
Thanks
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56
No runs with the new 4L60E
The resistance on the lockout solenoid is 13.4 ohms which means it will draw about 1 amp when it is on. I wasn't sure if the factory PCM was fully turning on the soleniod or duty cycling it. Since you're blowing fuses I suspect it was duty cycling it.
I looked up the circuit. Both fans, the EVAP canister purge soleniod, exhaust gas recirc motor, and the reverse lockout are all on the same fuse.
PLEASE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON THAT FUSE! I don't want the lockout to end up overheating your engine or burning out your fans. I appriciate you testing it, but the last thing I want is to damage something.
If your feedback is positive, then Monday I'll talk to one of the engineers at work about comming up with a circuit board to duty cycle the soleniod. It should significantly lower the 1 amp current draw.
Thanks
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Brian Falzon
10.54 @133.8 MPH
with a T56
No runs with the new 4L60E
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