Are there any places in Canada that tune LS1 for good price?

 

Where in Canada? There are 2 places I know of in the Toronto area. One is Agostino Racing in Pickering (quite popular / reputable among the 4th-gen + C4/C5 crowd.....basically, LT1's/LS1's) and Redline Performance in Scarboro (they work on a broader variety of cars, but they certainly know their LS1's too). Both are roughly the same price to dyno tune, AFAIK.

 

How much are they? trying to find better price than $425. Do they DYNO tune or do they drive on the road and use a scanmaster to determine tune parameters? I found out that you get a more accurate tune by driving on street rather than stationary on DYNO?

 

ARE charges $550 for their tuning, and they do it on the dyno, not on the road. They also use Autotap to make sure you're not getting any KR.

I don't see how doing it on the road would be more accurate, because doing it that way then they couldn't hook up their wideband A/F meter.

I picked up 11rwhp and 11rwtq from their tuning on my Corvette.

 

Is that American or Canadian money? Lots of guys have been telling me that you get a more accurate reading from road testing because you factoring ion real world enviormental effects vs the dyno being in on spot. I will paste a few comments.



Totally untrue and a cyberspace myth

The only time this is close to true is if the person doing the tuning via mail is a slob, lazy or just knows nothing about what they are doing.

Using a static, non load bearing dyno is a joke.

1. Your car NEVER is driven the way its used on a dyno.
2. a dyno pull is less then 1 minute in length when the PCM is timed based so it never even gets a chance to make its adjustments. The PCM uses Adaptive Strategy software and so tuning only in non realworld driving conditions does not allow PCM to do its job and you get a unreal tune.

3. Dyno shops in many cases do not even have a weather station, if it does it may not be calibrated correctly or the operator does not even assure station is functional so what it reports is invalid. Its a laugh that they will take a flithy wideband O2, stick it in ONE muffler tip where temps are less then 200 degrees and from that think they are getting valid AFR, no - way.

4. dyno drums are 100's of lbs less then car/driver and again reports incorrectly and for tuning puposes gives incorrect tuning information

5. Chassis dyno tuning cannot tune for hot/cold starts, idle, shifting, braking, lifting off gas pedal or even driving on hilly roads.

6. dyno tuning only forces the PCM to use only 5 of the 24 fuel trim cells so after a dyno tune just driving home can delute the dyno tune.

7. lots of dyno shops like to market by claiming high tuning performance gains,

I have even seen them put the weather station on top of engine so the corrected values were bloated by 75 HP.

Example read this thread, its common I see all the time :
Bloated dyno tune results

Here they not only claim a 340 to 420 HP gain just installing a mild cam but after the dyno tune the car now has problems, PLUS the shop drilled a hole in the TB plate which is a nono for a C5.

Tuning engines today requires experience and knowledge, those not having this spread the myth that blowing $75 for use of a dynojet is the only way to go when in fact in 100's of F and Y bodies I have tuned, almost all of them 1st had a dyno tune and then end up coming to me for a true overall custom tune and the results are always my way of tuning is better.

We have tuned cars using a dyno, taken the same cars and hand tuned them and in all cases a hand tune wins.

The part missing is for bext case MAIL tune, the car owner needs to use a decent OBD-II scanner, go for a testdrive for about 10 miles while scanner is recording all engine and and PCM functions, this run includes all engine conditions, loads, RPMs and the way that driver likes to drive.
That recording is emailed to me and now I know a lot more about that car then doing a few pulls on a dyno ever will so my tuning is true custom tune for real world driving and performance gains.

If car owner has LS1edit or Hptuners they do not even need to mail the PCM, its all done via email but again the PCM scanner recording data being analzyed properly will give a far better tune then some dinky dyno queen tune.

EPA testing over the years states an engine only sees WOT less then 1% of the powertrains life and why WOT is not part of EPA smog rules, so also a dyno tune is seeing a condition most engines rarely see ( true WOT is 100% engine load you rarely even do on a dyno since the drum weighs less then car/driver) so why tune for only 1% when PCM averages and adjusts to what engine does over the 100% engine load/conditions.

A dyno is only useful if the person does not want to use high loads on the street to gain PCM data, and only after a hand tune was 1st done to calibrate all the other conditions you cannot do on a dyno.
Even then the PCM is a dyno and performance values for HP and Tq can be read from it and they are real world values

My view is not liked but is a fact.
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