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Old Apr 3, 2003 | 11:34 PM
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ZZ-9 on stock motor?

You think it would lope a little?
What kind of power you guys think it'll provide?
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 09:40 AM
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I'm running the ZZ409 but know a lot of people that run the ZZ9 with a stock motor (including manifolds) and it runs whicked! I started out with a cat back and then threw in the ZZ409 (otherwise stock) and did 316RWHP and 336 RWTQ off a cam and cat back - I think thats darn good. TPIS is more expensive than most but the quality of parts and the ammount of R&D is top notch. I have yet to see numbers that match mine for a cam and cat back. Even now I am posting numbers higher than people that have AFR heads and a CC306 and I have ported stock heads.
Old Apr 4, 2003 | 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Xscream
I'm running the ZZ409 but know a lot of people that run the ZZ9 with a stock motor (including manifolds) and it runs whicked! I started out with a cat back and then threw in the ZZ409 (otherwise stock) and did 316RWHP and 336 RWTQ off a cam and cat back - I think thats darn good. TPIS is more expensive than most but the quality of parts and the ammount of R&D is top notch. I have yet to see numbers that match mine for a cam and cat back. Even now I am posting numbers higher than people that have AFR heads and a CC306 and I have ported stock heads.
What are your current numbers? I made 327rwhp with the ZZ409 and several bolt-ons. I ditched it for the GM847 cam when I got my heads ported but I was always curious to see what the ZZ409 makes with ported LT1 heads.

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Old Apr 5, 2003 | 10:33 AM
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I have had the ZZ9 cam in my car for over 60,000 miles. It made 359 RWHP and 370 RWTQ with ported stock heads and SLP headers. I also have 1.6 rockers and a 52mm TB. It has over 100,000 miles on it now and still runs like it did the day I put it together. I have also never had it tuned. I have Hypertech tuning, but I don't think it does much, it seems to run the same with the stock tuning. I was a little rich on the top end (12.2 to 1) so there is probably a little more power to be had. Also it definately lopes, although I have heard that it lopes more with 1.6 rockers.

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Old Apr 6, 2003 | 02:05 PM
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How would it perform on a daily driver?
How would it affect gas mileage?
How rough would it run on an un-tuned PCM?

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Old May 21, 2003 | 09:22 PM
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Im running it in my car and am getting 31mpg with stock 3.07 gears and an auto. I would suggest programming with an auto unless you like riding the brake at stoplights trying to keep it from dying. I am running 12.7s with a lot of bolt ons, factory heads and bottom end, on Nitto D/Rs. I am pretty happy with it I would say, but am switching up to the XE 224/230 grind with AFR 190 heads.....anyone need a zz-9 with 1500 miles?
Old May 21, 2003 | 09:29 PM
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I would be interested if you were offering it for a good price...
How much you want for it?
Old May 21, 2003 | 10:10 PM
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Hey i have the zz9 and i love it. With a good exhaust it sounds damn good. Pretty lopey. Im gunna get the 1.6 rrs and it will helpit out alot. Just depends if you want to spend 375.00 for a cam or not. Or maybe you can get the one off the guys above. good luck.
Old May 22, 2003 | 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Grease
What are your current numbers? I made 327rwhp with the ZZ409 and several bolt-ons. I ditched it for the GM847 cam when I got my heads ported but I was always curious to see what the ZZ409 makes with ported LT1 heads.

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With ported heads and headers I made 406 RWHP and 433 RWTQ

And then the motor went south. Good GM oil pans and lovely pickups cause great cavitation problems for me
Old May 22, 2003 | 10:17 AM
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I'm also considering the ZZ9. If you have an auto, and have it tuned after the install would it idle ok in traffic? What kind of gas mileage decreases could i expect?
Old May 22, 2003 | 12:17 PM
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The ZZ409 dosen't have any problems and the ZZ9 is a small cam than the 409. Personally I don't think you will see much, if any, differnce down low or sitting in traffic. At hiway speeds I haven't noticed any drop in fuel economy. Now when i get on it though it seems to go down a little quicker. The ZZ9 is made for 1.5k through 5k - so it retains the facotry power ban more or less. I think its the perfect cam for a daily driver auto. If you had a stick or a stall I would do the 409.

Compairing this to the hot cam I think the 409 is a lot stronger down low
Old May 22, 2003 | 12:30 PM
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i got teh zz409 cam put in a little while ago..it sure lopes and runs great...all I have is moros intake, msd iginition, flwomaster muffler...
Old May 22, 2003 | 12:55 PM
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Just a curious question, what are the #'s on the zz9 and zz409?? Like lift and duration and all that stuff??


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Old May 22, 2003 | 12:57 PM
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what are the #'s on the ZZ409 cam w/ 1.6 rr's..??
Old May 22, 2003 | 12:58 PM
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I made 406 RWHP and 433 RWTQ
Nice numbers. to 433 RWTQ.



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