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why would a main bearing chew itself up like this?

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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 10:27 PM
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why would a main bearing chew itself up like this?

after putting it off for a year I finally pulled my stock LT1 out of the car. The engine seized just shy of a year ago after I put it back in, replacing my blown 383. I couldn't turn over the crank so I could only get two pistons out tonight, then I popped all the main caps off. some things I noticed:
The two pistons I removed, the top rings broke on each of those. Im assuming its because I wasn't exactly kind to them while removing. the engine did have some blow by before I pulled it out a few years ago to put the 383 in. Could this have been the cause or would broken piston rings cause a much more serious problem?
On each of the pistons, the wrist pins are VERY tight. it takes some force to move the piston on the rod. Is this because they are press fit? my 383 rods/pistons weren't like this, because they were floating pins?
With the exception of the #5 main all the journals of the rods/mains I took off looked OK. bearings showed quite a bit of wear but no damage was done.
The #5 main bearing seems to have chewed up its inner edge. the rest of the bearing is fine. what could have caused it to do this? I never had the engine apart although I did replace the rear main seal while it was out. Could I have harmed something while doing this?

any tips for getting the crank to turn so I can get the other pistons out? lol

I really don't know why it did this. it didn't leak or burn oil for the little bit it ran after I put it back in.

Oh well, I got the pieces off that I needed for the new engine... heads, oil pump, etc. just wanted to figure out why it blew.

on to the pictures!


#5 main journal all torn up.



130,000 mile stock heads.



two pistons still in the block (they're oddly colored because I'm shining a flashlight on them.)


mess
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 06:29 AM
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Detonation causes all of what you describe.
Detonation probably broke the rings and pounded the bearings.
Piston rings can break and sometimes it's hard to notice, (you'll see blowby).

The pin being tight on the piston is due to detonation. (pounding of the aluminum around the wrist pin).

We've all had motors that look like yours so don't feel too down.

Edit add: I just looked at your thrust bearing and that could be chewed up from a bad torque converter (if you are an A4) or improper instal of the torque converter.

Karl

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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by quickSS
Detonation causes all of what you describe.
Detonation probably broke the rings and pounded the bearings.
Piston rings can break and sometimes it's hard to notice, (you'll see blowby).

The pin being tight on the piston is due to detonation. (pounding of the aluminum around the wrist pin).
Wow, the thought of detonation never crossed my mind. I didn't think it would because the engine was internally stock the entire time. Maybe I got a bad batch of gas? I always ran 93 or 94 in it.
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Edit add: I just looked at your thrust bearing and that could be chewed up from a bad torque converter (if you are an A4) or improper install of the torque converter.
When the engine seized my initial thought was a transmission related problem. My original transmission I had built by a local shop. when I put the stock engine back in I bought a used stock 4L60E to put in. to me it always felt like trash. mushy shifts, converter wouldn't lock up. seemed to be slipping all the time. the converter was the stock converter.
How could the converter be installed wrong?
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 03:44 PM
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You have to spin it to seat it.
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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You have to spin it to seat it.
spin what? the converter? I installed it the same way as my TCI 3500 twice and that gave me no problem.
Old Dec 11, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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wow dude that is crazy!! glad to see you working on it again!!
Old Dec 12, 2007 | 08:33 AM
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Looks like ya were spraying it and ya got plenty of detionation.
Or ya got water in the cyls.
Old Dec 12, 2007 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 1racerdude
Looks like ya were spraying it and ya got plenty of detionation.
Or ya got water in the cyls.
haha, neither happened! to my knowledge this car has never seen spray, or at least not in the 4 years I have owned it. I guess its a good thing this happened because I would probably tried to stick a cam in this engine and by how it looks now I wouldn't have gotten very far.
Old Dec 12, 2007 | 08:53 AM
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The only way ring lands get broken and wrist pin holes get smashed is through severe detonation. Don't think bad gas would do it as ya probably could have heard it. Maybe ya did hear it and didn't know what it was!!!!!!
Gas may have had water in it too but that would have caused a big miss and no power.
It could have been running with the broken lands for a long time as some do. Then an accumulation of things locked it up.
Spraying may have been why the previous owner got rid of it.
Old Dec 12, 2007 | 01:13 PM
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I just realized I never cleaned the ridge off the top of the cylinders before I removed the pistons.

I know what detonation sounds like, my '68 bonneville pinged BAD when I had to put 91 octane in it one day

the previous owner was a dealer and before that it was female owned. I highly doubt the car was sprayed. it was bone stock minus a K&N air filter.
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 03:46 PM
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pulled the rest of it apart...













the block is still good. would need some work though to get it usable again. it definitely lost oil pressure, every bearing is spun. not sure why the one piston is scuffed up and all the others are not. oh well, time to send the heads out to see if they're still good and have them freshened up.
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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OOOOOPPPPPPPPSSSSSSS

Little more than ring lands???????????
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 05:35 PM
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I cut the ridge off the tops of the other 6 cylinders, all those rings came out in one piece.

quite the disaster there though!
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 05:56 PM
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Oil starvation.
Old Dec 23, 2007 | 08:52 AM
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Agree with Nate on that Oil Starvation issue, that thing looks ugly with the oil!



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