i feel like a moron for asking this, but i was watching tv the other day and came across the tornado infomercial...for those who dont know it's a metal ring that you put in the intake to cause the air to swirl and make a better mixture....

now i know it wont get the 20 hp or $40-60 savings a month at the gas pump, but the concept seems reasonable...just thought i'd ask what you guys thought...

and after watching the vette guy on there i dont think i could get one anyway...no offense to vette owners because i love the cars but he's a typical "i have money and want a fast car but know nothing about it" type...that part alone makes it worth watching the commercial

 

In my opinion...At part throttle the throttle plates will more than likely negate the effect... Second at full throttle the friggin thing becomes a restriction. The air wont flow faster... slower yes cause now the engine has to create a suction to twist the air around. If it was that simple and effective the Automakers would have jumped on the idea and use it to meet the new EPA standards dont you think?


Another thing the Bottle vortex trick they are using works so well in the "contained" enviroment of the bottles because in order for the water to fall down faster the air has to move from the bottom bottle to the upper bottle faster... only then the liquid will fall down faster...

Now think about it... The water was flowing slower when there was "TURBULENCE" the mixed up air bubbles slowed down the water but as soon as they created the Vortex effect and the air flow passed "SMOOTHLY" from the bottom bottle to the upper bottle the water flowed FASTER down.


Get it?? Smoother air flowing up... watter moving faster down... the exact opposite of what they are selling, and they showed it up there in your face and you got suckered right in... didnt you??

Another thing... in the engine compartment the air is being suckerd in the engine pass the Tornado. there is no sealed space at the other end but the Air filter.... so the air needs to be turned around and it takes precious engine suction to do that...


So in short... The Vortex effec in their infomercial did smooth out the air flow in the bottle and only then then the water flowed faster... not the other way around. The bottle trick is the biggest deceptive, suckers fooling effect I have ever seen... The air was moving smothly (as opposed as turbulent) when the water moved faster.

Ask yourself that question... when the water moves faster.. is the air turbulent or smooth flowing between bottles?? Did the inertia created by the water movement created a turbulent air path between the bottles or did it create one steady constant opening in the water flow where the air flowed smoothly?? Did the put a mini tornado in between the bottles to make the water move faster or "not"??


in my humble opinion the tornado probably works when the throtle is at 3/4 open where the Throttle plates wont cancel out the vortex effect and the engine is not begining to gasp for air trying to suck it past the tornado. I dont drive at half nor 3/4 throttle opening 5 percent of the time, and when I do it only last for about 5 seconds or less... (city driving).

Now I may be wrong... you be the judge


Marvin

 

I think it would be interesting for someone to buy one and dyno it to see how it respomds on our cars I DID have one on my 95 dodge ram and it worked except it had the carb type intake.

 

it aint just BS its a POS... just my opinion though

 

Read Brent's post in this thread
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...o&pagenumber=2

 

Crap you HAD to dig that one up didn't ya shoebox....

I've been deployed most of this year. Got back home, then got busy with other things, got orders and will be moving soon. I don't have much time for anything these days.

I DID get a Tornado for free in the mail while I was gone. If any of you guys want it you can have it, as long as you get it on the dyno and post the results.

 

I don't know about you guys but after I added the Tornado and my fuel line magnet gismo (which straightens out the fuel atoms ) I picked up 10rwhp and gained 3mpg

 

You're kidding, right? Is that taking into account the temp change, humidity, and altitude?

I've seen some dyno numbers from a 3.8 and it actually showed a loss in power....not surprising imo.

 

And I thought the after the "straightens out the fuel atoms" part would be sufficient.

Yes, I'm joking

 

You put it in line of the throttle body, intake runners and valve bowls, everywhere the air flows. Considering the fact that the fuel isn't injected until after the intake runners, this won't help a bit since the air is going to straighten back out before it ever gets there.

-Shannon

 

After reading the testing done in the thread posted by Shoebox I am glad someone agreed with me........ even thought I hadnt thought about it at that time (do I make sense?)

****,,, why is it that Most people get suckered into trying to make the air swirl??? I mean it takes energy to make the air do that. My description of air is like a spring... you pull on it it stretches you push in it and it compresses either way it takes energy to do that, then its just absorbed by the spring that does not have any change in mass whatsoever. We need more mass or air shoved in the cylinders.. if you create a vacum to make the air go in circles (dumb) then my logic dictates that less mass per time measurement will go in the cylinder.

... the guy who tested it was increasing the pressure to see the effect, with all due respect that sounded to me "Dumbass",, no offensed intented... what I mean is that we should be finding ways to make the air go in with as little pressure differential as possible instead of presurising the air to see if the air would swirl. So lets say he makes the air swirl with 2 inches of pressure... what is that gunna prove?? that we need 2 inches of vacum to make the air spin?? and then what?? What? What?? huh?? is that 2 inches of vacum supposed to shove denser air in the cylinder heads??? I mean I can achieve that vacum by keeping the throttle plates partially closed....

Thank god for the (sorry I called you dumbass) guy who tested the tornado. He proved my point. The trottle plates will negate the effect.. (I feel like a kids wanting to be right for once)


I dare the Tornado guys to build a mini tornado then place it in between the bottles and make the water fall faster than it does when it has the vortex effect applied to it. See my point?


Even if it did work.... Why the hell has to be priced at over 5 dollars????


Marvin

 

You think the tornado is good?? Well my CompUSA oversided computer fan gave me 30hp and 6MPH when I put it in series with the Tornado!! You see it took only like 3 milliamps to make the fan "compress" the air past the tornado and shot the Vortex speed effect through the Roof..

Ya see I new the Tornados weakest point was that it took engine vacum (energy) to create the Vortex effect.... well my fan gets rid of the problem.. and the rotating fan adds to the vortex effect on top!!!


What ya waiting for..... I just saw the fans on special too.... if you call in the next 15 minutes you get two tornados and two fans for the price of just one.... that right we give you a 50% discount!! two 69.99 tornados and two 15.99 computer fans for just 3 payments of 29.99!!! Dont wait anylonger dont miss out on the oportunity to ad fabulous gas savings for the next 10 years or so...!!!

 

The fact that someone believes that putting something blocking the path into the motor will help seems a bit rediculous. If you believe that I can make a plate out of sheet metal that will nicely cover the whole cross section of your intake, with way more stuff than that awesome tornado device, so more stuff in the way (more restriction) must mean more power right?

I will sell them for $50 and I guarantee you will notice a power difference

Chris

 

Send the Tornado one of the guys who have a G-Tech.

 

heh u wanna maximize air flow get a supercharger